Man and dinosaur coexisting

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

For the sake of the argument....we'll throw them out. There are still many more you'll need to explain away that were not from China or the middle east deserts.

'Throw them out'? What kind of response is that?

 

[-57]

'Throw them out'? What kind of response is that?

The argument means....even if we don't use those fossils...there are plenty more. That's how tight the argument is.

 

[Armoured]

The argument means....even if we don't use those fossils...there are plenty more. That's how tight the argument is.

What "plenty more"? Cite?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

The argument means....even if we don't use those fossils...there are plenty more. That's how tight the argument is.

Ever heard of quarries? The ancient Greeks and Chinese had them, and they'd have found more bones there.

 

[dougangel]

But there is ZERO evidence of humans existing with dinosaurs. There are no human fossils past the KT boundary in the Cretaceous, Jurassic and Triassic fossil layers.

What you said there isn't quite true is it ? There is some evidence.
This evidence exists in many forms. Some examples include:

1. Eye witness accounts by many people of creatures that are exactly like dinosaurs in appearance. The descriptions include not only sightings, but people actually hunting and killing them are being killed by them. These stories have been documented all over the world in many different cultures. They exist in the writings of several well-known ancient people, and have been documented by scientists as recently as a few years ago. Some of the best information along these lines come from evolutionists in their book titled "A Living Dinosaur?".
2. Art work and various ancient artifacts depicting live dinosaurs by themselves, or interacting with humans. These include burial stones, burial cloths, clay figurines, cave drawings, etc.
3. Fossilized footprints of humans and dinosaurs together. While some of these particular discoveries may be questionable, others appear to be far more reliable.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

What you said there isn't quite true is it ? There is some evidence.
This evidence exists in many forms. Some examples include:

1. Eye witness accounts by many people of creatures that are exactly like dinosaurs in appearance. The descriptions include not only sightings, but people actually hunting and killing them are being killed by them. These stories have been documented all over the world in many different cultures. They exist in the writings of several well-known ancient people, and have been documented by scientists as recently as a few years ago. Some of the best information along these lines come from evolutionists in their book titled "A Living Dinosaur?".

So many of these stories can be attributed to various common things: a log in a lake at a distance, an elephant moving through the brush at a distance. Granted, the story of the Mokele-Mbembe definitely do warrant more actual investigation. It's kind of hard to investigate something in the middle of a warzone, you know. But notice the time period for many of the other stories are from the last few hundred years, nothing remotely ancient. Dragons are certainly not dinosaurs before you start on that. For starters, dragons would require a whole different body set up to fly, which dinosaurs did not possess.

2. Art work and various ancient artifacts depicting live dinosaurs by themselves, or interacting with humans. These include burial stones, burial cloths, clay figurines, cave drawings, etc.

These have all been debunked as frauds.

3. Fossilized footprints of humans and dinosaurs together. While some of these particular discoveries may be questionable, others appear to be far more reliable.

None of these 'footprints' are of actual human footprints. If you actually look at these so-called footprints, you will see that the shape and outline of the print does not match that of a human's in any way shape or form.

Dinosaurs and humans never existed together. It's highly unlikely that even if we had stone tools, humans would last long around predators like allosaurus and velociraptors and even super-predators like the T-rex and charcharodontosaurus.

 

[Isaiah55:6]

So many of these stories can be attributed to various common things: a log in a lake at a distance, an elephant moving through the brush at a distance. Granted, the story of the Mokele-Mbembe definitely do warrant more actual investigation. It's kind of hard to investigate something in the middle of a warzone, you know. But notice the time period for many of the other stories are from the last few hundred years, nothing remotely ancient. Dragons are certainly not dinosaurs before you start on that. For starters, dragons would require a whole different body set up to fly, which dinosaurs did not possess.

Pterodactyl?

These have all been debunked as frauds.

That's just what the evil-Lucionists want you to believe.

None of these 'footprints' are of actual human footprints. If you actually look at these so-called footprints, you will see that the shape and outline of the print does not match that of a human's in any way shape or form.

They looked exactly like human footprints until Dawkins little buddy Glen Kuban destroyed them over night with an iron bar. They didn't want that little secret getting out.

* before anyone says that these footprints are a hoax please not that Dawkins himself never claimed these are hoaxes. He just claims these are not human footprints but are just erosion that creates the illusion of human footprints

Dinosaurs and humans never existed together. It's highly unlikely that even if we had stone tools, humans would last long around predators like allosaurus and velociraptors and even super-predators like the T-rex and charcharodontosaurus.

Look at all the artifacts and cave drawings. It was the other way around. Man was hunting the dinosaurs.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Pterodactyl?

A dragon and a pterodactyl have two completely different body-shape, if you go by general lore, and also the dragons have to contend with having an organ which would BREATH FIRE!!!

That's just what the evil-Lucionists want you to believe.

Wow. What a well thought-out retort. They are frauds, no ifs, ands or buts about it.

They looked exactly like human footprints until Dawkins little buddy Glen Kuban destroyed them over night with an iron bar. They didn't want that little secret getting out.

Now that's just outright lies.

Look at all the artifacts and cave drawings. It was the other way around. Man was hunting the dinosaurs.

Humans were not hunting dinosaurs because humans did not live with dinosaurs. And I'm very positive a six-tonne carnivorous therapod would easily outclass a human any day of the week, regardless what the human was armed with.

This is not scientific in any way shape or form. This is just a juvenile attempt to fit the reality of God's creation in o the words of Man, aka The Bible.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

* before anyone says that these footprints are a hoax please not that Dawkins himself never claimed these are hoaxes. He just claims these are not human footprints but are just erosion that creates the illusion of human footprints

It becomes a hoax when some claims that these prints are now what they actually are.
These prints WERE made by erosion, but claiming that they are human foot-prints is fraud.

 

[Isaiah55:6]

A dragon and a pterodactyl have two completely different body-shape, if you go by general lore, and also the dragons have to contend with having an organ which would BREATH FIRE!!!

How do you know they couldn't breath fire? The bombardier beetle shoots fire from his back side.

Wow. What a well thought-out retort. They are frauds, no ifs, ands or buts about it.

What frauds?

Now that's just outright lies.

I beg to differ

Humans were not hunting dinosaurs because humans did not live with dinosaurs. And I'm very positive a six-tonne carnivorous therapod would easily outclass a human any day of the week, regardless what the human was armed with.

Like I said before, most of the big dinosaurs couldn't survive after the flood do to climate change. And of course they could have taken them down in a pack. We can build skyscrapers but can't take down a Dino?

This is not scientific in any way shape or form. This is just a juvenile attempt to fit the reality of God's creation in o the words of Man, aka The Bible.

It's just taking the word of God seriously and observing the evidence that backs it up.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

How do you know they couldn't breath fire? The bombardier beetle shoots fire from his back side.

A chemical reaction that causes a burning sensation is not the same as breathing actual fire.

What frauds?

Well, the Ica Stones were made by a dentists drill, for one thing. So that's definitely proof of a fake.

I beg to differ

Prove it. Prove the man destroyed them. Put up or shut up.

Like I said before, most of the big dinosaurs couldn't survive after the flood do to climate change. And of course they could have taken them down in a pack. We can build skyscrapers but can't take down a Dino?

There was no Flood, and dinosaurs did not exist at the same time as humans. And besides, if God wanted to take dinosaurs, wouldn't he have mentioned to Noah "Oh, by the way. Leave some room for those big guys in the middle."

It's just taking the word of God seriously and observing the evidence that backs it up.

It's called putting more faith in the words of Man over the reality of God's creation.
Dinosaurs did not live with humans.
Humans did not live with dinosaurs.

 

[Isaiah55:6]

It becomes a hoax when some claims that these prints are now what they actually are.
These prints WERE made by erosion, but claiming that they are human foot-prints is fraud.

Erosion? Looks like human footprints to me. Even if it was just one footprint I couldn't even give you the benefit of the doubt. But there were dozens.

(Rom 1:20) "For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse."

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Erosion? Looks like human footprints to me. Even if it was just one footprint I couldn't even give you the benefit of the doubt. But there were dozens.

(Rom 1:20) "For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse."

The Paluxy River formation.
Specifically, read the second paragraph of the second section:

Some of the tracks were fake, carved by locals to sell during the Great Depression. These footprints do not represent the way human footprints would look in mud; they also do not accurately reflect the changes in the way giant humans would walk as a result of their size. Other footprints were genuine tracks, but showed features inconsistent with human footprints. Supporters of the human footprint theory claimed that the tracks showed authentic mud “push-ups” and that the time period for the human and dinosaur trackways had to be the same as the trails intersected. In 1986, Glen Kuban conducted research on the trackways. He found that most tracks formed a wide “V” at the end and showed grooves in places that were not consistent with those in a human footprint. Kuban determined that the tracks were made by bipedal dinosaurs with three toes. These particular tracks showed the dinosaur walking on the soles of its feet rather than on its toes, as is usually found in tracks. Evidence based in human anatomy also refutes the claim that the footprints are of human origin. The foot length measurements were used to calculate approximate heights of the humans; the pace and stride lengths do not match these calculated heights, making it highly unlikely that the tracks are human in origin. The measurements do fit the known values for bipedal dinosaurs.

None of them were real human footprints. It was a hoax.

 

[Bradly Capel]

Human foot prints in stone means that humans have been around long enough for mud to turn into stone, I should think the creationists will have something to say about that.

 

[Bradly Capel]

It's just taking the word of God seriously and observing the evidence that backs it up.

About the same evidence that backs up the existence of Superman, it's all written down for anyone to read.

 

[Isaiah55:6]

A chemical reaction that causes a burning sensation is not the same as breathing actual fire.

some dinosaurs could have had the same chemical reaction and it appeared to those who saw them that they were breathing fire. Evolutionists believe the universe came into being from a Big Bang and that life comes from non life. Why can't they believe that?

Well, the Ica Stones were made by a dentists drill, for one thing. So that's definitely proof of a fake.

I've been over this at least three times in this tread. SOME of the stones were fake. It is easy to distinguish the real from the fake. But the quarry used by the apparent hoaxer was nowhere near big enough to have been the place where the vast amounts of rocks needed could have come from.

Prove it. Prove the man destroyed them. Put up or shut up.

evidence is different from persuasion. If you look at those footprints and think it's erosion then nothing else will be of any use. But here is a link about it.

http://www.bible.ca/tracks/taylor-t...rous-accusations-refuted-fabricated-rumor.htm

There was no Flood, and dinosaurs did not exist at the same time as humans. And besides, if God wanted to take dinosaurs, wouldn't he have mentioned to Noah "Oh, by the way. Leave some room for those big guys in the middle."

The dinosaurs likely were on the ark. He could have very easily fit dinosaurs that were young inside.

 

[Isaiah55:6]

some dinosaurs could have had the same chemical reaction and it appeared to those who saw them that they were breathing fire. Evolutionists believe the universe came into being from a Big Bang and that life comes from non life. Why can't they believe that?





I've been over this at least three times in this tread. SOME of the stones were fake. It is easy to distinguish the real from the fake. But the quarry used by the apparent hoaxer was nowhere near big enough to have been the place where the vast amounts of rocks needed could have come from.



evidence is different from persuasion. If you look at those footprints and think it's erosion then nothing else will be of any use. But here is a link about it.

http://www.bible.ca/tracks/taylor-t...rous-accusations-refuted-fabricated-rumor.htm



The dinosaurs likely were on the ark. He could have very easily fit dinosaurs that were young inside.


Dinosaurs did live with humans.
Humans did live with dinosaurs.

*not sure what happened here

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

some dinosaurs could have had the same chemical reaction and it appeared to those who saw them that they were breathing fire. Evolutionists believe the universe came into being from a Big Bang and that life comes from non life. Why can't they believe that?

But you have zero evidence of this.

I've been over this at least three times in this tread. SOME of the stones were fake. It is easy to distinguish the real from the fake. But the quarry used by the apparent hoaxer was nowhere near big enough to have been the place where the vast amounts of rocks needed could have come from.

The man admitted they were frauds. What more do you need?

evidence is different from persuasion. If you look at those footprints and think it's erosion then nothing else will be of any use. But here is a link about it.

http://www.bible.ca/tracks/taylor-t...rous-accusations-refuted-fabricated-rumor.htm

No, you claimed that Kuban 'destroyed the tracks'. Present evidence that he admit, or admit that you are willingly breaking the Ninth Commandment: thou shalt not bear false witness.

The dinosaurs likely were on the ark. He could have very easily fit dinosaurs that were young inside.

Well since there was no ark and no Flood, it stands to reason that Noah didn't take any dinosaurs on to the ark.

 

[Isaiah55:6]

But you have zero evidence of this.

The evidence is in the legends. You can't prove they are all myths.
And there is also a modern day beetle that shoots out a burning gas up to 212 degrees. For all you know there could have been dinosaurs that appeared to breath fire.

The man admitted they were frauds. What more do you need?

I believe he was payed to do it as a cover up. The evidence supports that he couldn't have done all of them. Only a portion. Like I've said already, the fakes and the authentic ones are easily distinguishable.

No, you claimed that Kuban 'destroyed the tracks'. Present evidence that he admit, or admit that you are willingly breaking the Ninth Commandment: thou shalt not bear false witness.

You have proof he was there the night the tracks were destroyed and eye witness accounts of him being out there with an iron bar. It may not prove him guilty but it would hold up in court.

Well since there was no ark and no Flood, it stands to reason that Noah didn't take any dinosaurs on to the ark.

Your intitled to your opinion

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

The evidence is in the legends. You can't prove they are all myths.
And there is also a modern day beetle that shoots out a burning gas up to 212 degrees. For all you know there could have been dinosaurs that appeared to breath fire.

Legends are not facts! How hard is this for you to comprehend?

I believe he was payed to do it as a cover up. The evidence supports that he couldn't have done all of them. Only a portion. Like I've said already, the fakes and the authentic ones are easily distinguishable.

Oh, yes. The old "WORLDWIDE EVOLUTIONIST CONSPIRACY!!!" Pull the other one. It's got bells on!

You have proof he was there the night the tracks were destroyed and eye witness accounts of him being out there with an iron bar. It may not prove him guilty but it would hold up in court.

Horse-hockey. You're just resorting to the claim that it was Kuban who destroyed them, simply because he was the most outspoken critic of them. That's a slanderous lie and nothing else. You can actually read his rebuttal to the lie yourself here.

Your intitled to your opinion

It's not an opinion when I have more evidence for my claim than you do.
Face facts: humans and dinosaurs did not exist with each other. You are being lied to and the worst part is that you are intentionally spreading these lies as truths. The reality of God's creation shows that humans and dinosaurs loved 65,000,000 years apart, and nothing can change that fact.