Man and dinosaur coexisting

[freezerman2000]

I'm not familiar with the germ theory.

Here ya go...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germ_theory_of_disease

Dang,I got beaten to the draw!

 

[JacksBratt]

Actually that is contradicted in the book of Genesis multiple times.

Examples?

 

[Loudmouth]

What, that bacteria and virus's cause us to get sick? Of course.

Then you must also accept abiogenesis because the germs and hosts had to come from somewhere, and since it is a scientific theory it must include abiogenesis, right?

 

[Jimmy D]

Wrong word.

1 Corinthians 1:27a But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise;

I'll accept your correction, it doesn't answer the question though, I thought confounding people was supposed to be Satan's schtick. If he gave us our brains why punish us for using them?

 

[HitchSlap]

I'll accept your correction, it doesn't answer the question though, I thought confounding people was supposed to be Satan's schtick. If he gave us our brains why punish us for using them?

Because he's a jealous God, and doesn't like it when we outsmart him.

 

[JacksBratt]

Then you must also accept abiogenesis because the germs and hosts had to come from somewhere, and since it is a scientific theory it must include abiogenesis, right?

Why? The bacteria and viruses were created.

Nothing or no living being just appeared, alive and kicking.

 

[AV1611VET]

I'll accept your correction, it doesn't answer the question though, I thought confounding people was supposed to be Satan's schtick.

You thought wrong.

As the passage shows, God confounds THE WISE.

You know?

Those who claim they are Homo sapiens?

But not totally.

He also has given us the Key to understanding Him and His works.

 

[Loudmouth]

Why? The bacteria and viruses were created.

So you don't accept the germ theory of disease?

 

[JacksBratt]

I'll accept your correction, it doesn't answer the question though, I thought confounding people was supposed to be Satan's schtick. If he gave us our brains why punish us for using them?

God has given us enough information to figure it out. It is only those who feel or think that they are so smart that God's way is to simple and obvious or what ever and will not take the Bible literally. They are far to educated and intelligent to come to the truth of the gospel like a child does to what their parents teach them. Equals.... arrogance.

In the end when all is revealed, the whole video of the history of this earth at the time of creation until now will be shown and the errors in the assumptions, extrapolations and surmising will be apparent.

Like my example of taking 100 snapshots of a football game and comparing it to the pointed instances of time that the fossil record is. Showing them to someone and asking them Who won, what was the score, Who got hurt, how many touch downs were run in and how many were caught in the end zone.....
Then showing them where they guessed wrong by showing the game on video in it's entirety.
Then they go Ahh I see....... but in the evolution scenario it will be game over too late.

 

[JacksBratt]

So you don't accept the germ theory of disease?

Where did the virus and bacteria come from then.... thin air?

 

[Jimmy D]

God has given us enough information to figure it out. It is only those who feel or think that they are so smart that God's way is to simple and obvious or what ever and will not take the Bible literally. They are far to educated and intelligent to come to the truth of the gospel like a child does to what their parents teach them. Equals.... arrogance.

I don't mean this as an insult, it's how I genuinely feel, but I don't think 'God's way' is too simple and obvious, I think it's convoluted, contrived and that it requires enormous mental contortions to accept the bible as literal - Especially when the physical evidence we can see around us contradicts it. It's fascinating how we can have such similar brains (biologically speaking) yet see the world so differently don't you think?

Anyway, I'm off to see Star Wars now so I'll leave it there.

 

[Loudmouth]

Where did the virus and bacteria come from then.... thin air?

Exactly. So you have to accept abiogenesis as part of the scientific theory of germ disease, right?

Since you already said that you accept germ theory, then you also accept abiogenesis.

 

[Loudmouth]

God has given us enough information to figure it out. It is only those who feel or think that they are so smart that God's way is to simple and obvious or what ever and will not take the Bible literally.

How do you take the creation itself? Figuratively?

They are far to educated and intelligent to come to the truth of the gospel like a child does to what their parents teach them. Equals.... arrogance.

Arrogance is when you think your ignorance trumps knowledge.

 

[JacksBratt]

Exactly. So you have to accept abiogenesis as part of the scientific theory of germ disease, right?

Since you already said that you accept germ theory, then you also accept abiogenesis.

I have been looking at the Germ Theory since you mentioned it. Looks like I'll have to do some more reading to see where it says these bacterium come from. So far it is just stating that they are the cause of disease, live in the bodies of other organisms and may be transferred by various methods.

Nothing yet on any statement or suggestion that they miraculously appear out of thin air. Just that they exist, in the air, the earth, other hosts and such.....

Also reading a lot on people who are contrary to this theory. Both have good arguments and good questions.

Still, nothing about abiogenesis. Sorry, not swallowing this as proof of "life arising out of non living matter".

 

[JacksBratt]

How do you take the creation itself? Figuratively?

The Genesis account of creation is written simply as truth and is not a parable, not an analogy or figurative explanation..... Solid simple truth.

Arrogance is when you think your ignorance trumps knowledge.

Arrogance:
1
: exaggerating or disposed to exaggerate one's own worth or importance often by an overbearing manner <an arrogant official>
2
: showing an offensive attitude of superiority

Hmm. No indication of it stating ignorance trumping knowledge. However, it does fit don't ya think.... Evolutionists who puff themselves up as educated elite all the while being ignorant of the truth leaving them unknowledgeable.

Well done.......... I'll take your definition in that sense.

 

[Loudmouth]

I have been looking at the Germ Theory since you mentioned it. Looks like I'll have to do some more reading to see where it says these bacterium come from. So far it is just stating that they are the cause of disease, live in the bodies of other organisms and may be transferred by various methods.

Nothing yet on any statement or suggestion that they miraculously appear out of thin air. Just that they exist, in the air, the earth, other hosts and such.....

Evolution is no different. Evolution only states how life changed once it was here. So why is it that creationists such as yourself keep insisting that abiogenesis is a part of the theory of evolution? We keep hearing that life had to come from somewhere in order for it to evolve, so abiogenesis has to be a part of the theory of evolution. So why doesn't the same apply to the germ theory of disease? The bacteria had to come from somewhere. The bacteria had to come from somewhere. So why isn't abiogenesis as much a part of the germ theory of disease as it is in evolution, as viewed by creationists?

Still, nothing about abiogenesis. Sorry, not swallowing this as proof of "life arising out of non living matter".

The real question is why you aren't arguing that we have to prove abiogenesis in order to conclude that bacteria cause infections.

 

[Loudmouth]

Arrogance:
1
: exaggerating or disposed to exaggerate one's own worth or importance often by an overbearing manner <an arrogant official>
2
: showing an offensive attitude of superiority

Perfect example:
"It is only those who feel or think that they are so smart that God's way is to simple and obvious or what ever and will not take the Bible literally. They are far to educated and intelligent to come to the truth of the gospel like a child does to what their parents teach them."--JacksBratt

 

[Loudmouth]

The Genesis account of creation is written simply as truth and is not a parable, not an analogy or figurative explanation..... Solid simple truth.

That's not what I asked. How do you interpret the Creation itself? Figuratively?

 

[JacksBratt]

Evolution is no different. Evolution only states how life changed once it was here. So why is it that creationists such as yourself keep insisting that abiogenesis is a part of the theory of evolution? We keep hearing that life had to come from somewhere in order for it to evolve, so abiogenesis has to be a part of the theory of evolution. So why doesn't the same apply to the germ theory of disease? The bacteria had to come from somewhere. The bacteria had to come from somewhere. So why isn't abiogenesis as much a part of the germ theory of disease as it is in evolution, as viewed by creationists?

Abiogenisis is impossible. Therefore it is not part of any theory. Certaninly not necessary for the germ theory from what I have read so far.

Evolution needs "something" to get this whole thing rolling. Like I said you are fine telling me what happened to organisms two and forward, they came from organism #1. Evolution is "don't ask me about how organism #1 came to be but after that I'm full of stories, enigmas, exaggerations, suppositions and extrapolations as to what happened from then on. Just don't ask me to go one more step backward as that doesn't concern us.

The real question is why you aren't arguing that we have to prove abiogenesis in order to conclude that bacteria cause infections.

Bacteria don't have to come out of thin air to cause disease. They have been here since the fall, like every other living "kind".
Do rapists appear and come from nothing before they rape? No. Bacteria do not come out of thin air before they cause a cold.

 

[JacksBratt]

That's not what I asked. How do you interpret the Creation itself? Figuratively?

That's what I answered....... literally.