Mainline denomination vs pentecostal churches

[J3thekingofking]

There are denomination that cling to the old tradition and have hugh respect on old theologian, they are Roman catholic, eastern ortbdox, Lutheran, reformed, anglican

But on the other hand there are new wave who cling forward, they're pentecostal and new protestants movement, I can't name them because they're too many.

What's your take on this? Isn't it safer to cling backward? I can't imagine clinging forward to follow groups that overwrite leaders age by age, it seems like this kind of movement always have something new to sell. They like to predict the future, takes 7 day Adventist for example, have failed numerous of time trying to guess the exact date of Jesus's return.


One thing that isn't convincing to me is that, they can read the same text but still get new lights.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

One thing that isn't convincing to me is that, they can read the same text but still get new lights.

Lots of translations in English nowadays. Lots of resources like blueletterbible.org.

New insight will continue to become available.

vs pentecostalism is old hat. Since some of the new traditions are vs both pentecostalism and mainline at the same time.

 

[Tolworth John]

What's your take on this?

What do they preach and how do they practice what they praech?

That is what matters not what name is over the door.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

There are denomination that cling to the old tradition and have hugh respect on old theologian, they are Roman catholic, eastern ortbdox, Lutheran, reformed, anglican

But on the other hand there are new wave who cling forward, they're pentecostal and new protestants movement, I can't name them because they're too many.

What's your take on this? Isn't it safer to cling backward? I can't imagine clinging forward to follow groups that overwrite leaders age by age, it seems like this kind of movement always have something new to sell. They like to predict the future, takes 7 day Adventist for example, have failed numerous of time trying to guess the exact date of Jesus's return.


One thing that isn't convincing to me is that, they can read the same text but still get new lights.

Probably best to cling to Jesus Christ of Nazareth and His promise of guildance through His Holy Spirit. IMHO, denominations, both old and new , are guilty of spreading doctrines of men. Blessings.

 

[Pioneer3mm]

movement

You mentioned..Lutheran, Reformed..
- They started as 'movements.'
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'Catholic Reformation/ Reform Movement'
- During the 16th & 17th century.
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Movements, often became..denominations/establishments..
- when they get status & recognition..
- in Christian History.

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

There are denomination that cling to the old tradition and have hugh respect on old theologian, they are Roman catholic, eastern ortbdox, Lutheran, reformed, anglican

But on the other hand there are new wave who cling forward, they're pentecostal and new protestants movement, I can't name them because they're too many.

What's your take on this? Isn't it safer to cling backward? I can't imagine clinging forward to follow groups that overwrite leaders age by age, it seems like this kind of movement always have something new to sell. They like to predict the future, takes 7 day Adventist for example, have failed numerous of time trying to guess the exact date of Jesus's return.


One thing that isn't convincing to me is that, they can read the same text but still get new lights.

Holy Scripture (the bible) is very old and everyone clings to it. It is better to stay with what is old and well established as true. Longing for new things will end in errors.

 

[Fervent]

Every day His mercies are new. Exclusively relying either on the past or some utopian view of the future is bound to lead you astray. Honor and understand the past, while making room for Christ's continued work

 

[seeking.IAM]

I think one should take pause when considering Christian expressions that fly in the face of 2,000 years of Christian tradition. I am suspect of those coming along 1900 years later saying, "Yeah, you've been doing it wrong."

 

[BobRyan]

There are denomination that cling to the old tradition and have hugh respect on old theologian, they are Roman catholic, eastern ortbdox, Lutheran, reformed, anglican

But on the other hand there are new wave who cling forward, they're pentecostal and new protestants movement, I can't name them because they're too many.

What's your take on this? Isn't it safer to cling backward? I can't imagine clinging forward to follow groups that overwrite leaders age by age, it seems like this kind of movement always have something new to sell. They like to predict the future, takes 7 day Adventist for example, have failed numerous of time trying to guess the exact date of Jesus's return.


One thing that isn't convincing to me is that, they can read the same text but still get new lights.

NT Christians were not clinging backward to OT Jewish traditions - but they did cling to scripture written in the OT.

Example:

Mark 7:6-13
6 He answered and said to them, “Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written:
‘This people honors Me with their lips,
But their heart is far from Me.
7 And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’
8 For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men—the washing of pitchers and cups, and many other such things you do.”
9 He said to them, “All too well you reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your tradition. 10 For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.’ 11 But you say, ‘If a man says to his father or mother, “Whatever profit you might have received from me is Corban”—’ (that is, a gift to God), 12 then you no longer let him do anything for his father or his mother, 13 making the word of God of no effect through your tradition which you have handed down. And many such things you do.”

Very often (according to Christ) tradition conflicts with scripture (- but not in all cases of course, we must test in each case and see).


Hence their sola scriptura testing as we see in Mark 7 and in Acts 17:11 "they studied the scriptures daily to SEE IF those things spoken to them by the Apostle Paul - were SO"

How sad it would be if instead of that Acts 17 had said "refusing the new teaching of Paul - they cling to their old traditions and did not check anything by what scripture said"

 

[sandman]

There are denomination that cling to the old tradition and have hugh respect on old theologian, they are Roman catholic, eastern ortbdox, Lutheran, reformed, anglican

But on the other hand there are new wave who cling forward, they're pentecostal and new protestants movement, I can't name them because they're too many.

What's your take on this? Isn't it safer to cling backward? I can't imagine clinging forward to follow groups that overwrite leaders age by age, it seems like this kind of movement always have something new to sell. They like to predict the future, takes 7 day Adventist for example, have failed numerous of time trying to guess the exact date of Jesus's return.


One thing that isn't convincing to me is that, they can read the same text but still get new lights.

I think we cling to the Word of God …there is no religion (old or new) that grants or guarantees you salvation. It is the words in the Word that make that claim.

Here is what I find interesting … People will check medications for drug side effects or interactions. They will read the disclaimers and warnings on products. They will verify contracts on leases, rentals, or a house sale….and yet many people belonging to religious denominations completely take the word of the spiritual leader about their walk and salvation…. without verifying the information against the Word of God, which is our only source of faith, practice, and Truth..... And our responsibility ….. Religious denominations follow religious doctrine ….be it right or wrong…. that is what they teach…

As a teenager we used to play “median football” on the stretch of grass between west & east bound traffic in Chicago. The rules were simple …. there were no rules …. Basically, kill the guy with the ball, and don’t go out of bounds … there was a couple that got educated on that, along with several close calls…. [that was our interpretation of clipping] (no one died). But nobody would ever mistake our rules for that of professional football.

If you want to know about football, socker, baseball, …or any sport …You go to the rule book. If you want to know about God, life, salvation, eternity….. there is only one place to go for truth, and verification of truth. …. stay in bounds .... and don’t be playing “Median religion”.

 

[Philip_B]

One thing that isn't convincing to me is that, they can read the same text but still get new lights.

Yet I think our task is to help temporal-born folk come to understand the eternal Gospel in the reality of time and space. When you gaze at the diamond the colours change as you move, and so we hurtling through time and space are moving, even though the eternal gospel remains we are bound to see new lights within it. That is the reality of the faith that is anchored in the Incarnation.

 

[Guojing]

There are denomination that cling to the old tradition and have hugh respect on old theologian, they are Roman catholic, eastern ortbdox, Lutheran, reformed, anglican

But on the other hand there are new wave who cling forward, they're pentecostal and new protestants movement, I can't name them because they're too many.

What's your take on this? Isn't it safer to cling backward? I can't imagine clinging forward to follow groups that overwrite leaders age by age, it seems like this kind of movement always have something new to sell. They like to predict the future, takes 7 day Adventist for example, have failed numerous of time trying to guess the exact date of Jesus's return.


One thing that isn't convincing to me is that, they can read the same text but still get new lights.

Often, your age matters. There is a reason why Pentecostal church attract many younger Christians, while traditional churches tend to have older Christians.