Magisterial Reformation vs Radical Reformation

[Tangible]

They echo historic Reformation doctrines but are not interested in restoring those doctrines as understood by the Reformers. If we wish to see a restoration of those doctrines we can probably find them in some Fundamental (using the historic definition of that word rather than the later redefinition of it) churches.

Confessional Lutheranism probably fits that description.

 

[MoreCoffee]

I do not think that those churches that adhere to the teaching that was contained in the books/booklets that were published under the name "The Fundamentals" in the 1920s would echo "historic reformation" teachings.

Volume I:

• The Virgin Birth of Christ - James Orr
• The Deity of Christ - Benjamin B. Warfield
• The Purposes of the Incarnation - G. Campbell Morgan
• The Personality and Deity of the Holy Spirit - R. A. Torrey
• The Proof of the Living God - Arthur T. Pierson
• History of the Higher Criticism - Dyson Hague
• A Personal Testimony - Howard A. Kelly

Volume II:

• The Testimony of the Monuments to the Truth of the Scriptures - George Frederick Wright
• The Recent Testimony of Archaeology to the Scriptures - M. G. Kyle
• Fallacies of the Higher Criticism - Franklin Johnson
• Christ and Criticism - Robert Anderson
• Modern Philosophy - Philip Mauro
• Justification by Faith - H. C. G. Moule
• Tributes to Christ and the Bible by Brainy Men not Known as Active Christians

Volume III:

• Inspiration of the Bible—Definition, Extent, and Proof - James M. Gray
• The Moral Glory of Jesus Christ a Proof of Inspiration - William G. Moorehead
• God in Christ the Only Revelation of the Fatherhood of God - Robert E. Speer
• The Testimony of Christian Experience - E. Y. Mullins
• Christianity No Fable - Thomas Whitelaw
• My Personal Experience with the Higher Criticism - J. J. Reeve
• The Personal Testimony of Charles T. Studd

Volume IV:

• The Tabernacle in the Wilderness: Did it Exist? - David Heagle
• The Testimony of Christ to the Old Testament - William Caven
• The Bible and Modern Criticism - F. Bettex
• Science and Christian Faith - James Orr
• A Personal Testimony - Philip Mauro

Volume V:

• Life in the Word - Philip Mauro
• The Scriptures - A. C. Dixon
• The Certainty and Importance of the Bodily Resurrection of Jesus Christ from the Dead - R. A. Torrey
• Observations of the Conversion and Apostleship of St. Paul - Lord Lyttleton (analyzed and condensed by J. L. Campbell)
• A Personal Testimony - H. W. Webb-Peploe

Volume VI:

• The Testimony of Foreign Missions to the Superintending Providence of God - Arthur T. Pierson.
• Is There a God? - Thomas Whitelaw
• Sin and Judgment to Come - Robert Anderson
• The Atonement - Franklin Johnson
• The God-Man - John Stock
• The Early Narratives of Genesis - James Orr
• The Person and Work of Jesus Christ - John L. Nuelsen
• The Hope of the Church - John McNicol

Volume VII:

• The Passing of Evolution - George Frederick Wright
• Inspiration - L. W. Munhall
• The Testimony of the Scriptures to Themselves - George S. Bishop
• Testimony of the Organic Unity of the Bible to its Inspiration - Arthur T. Pierson
• One Isaiah - George L. Robinson
• The Book of Daniel - Joseph D. Wilson
• Three Peculiarities of the Pentateuch - Andrew Craig Robinson
• Millennial Dawn: A Counterfeit of Christianity - William G. Moorehead

Volume VIII:

• Old Testament Criticism and New Testament Christianity - W. H. Griffith Thomas
• Evolutionism in the Pulpit - Anonymous
• Decadence of Darwinism - Henry H. Beach
• Paul's Testimony to the Doctrine of Sin - Charles B. Williams
• The Science of Conversion - H. M. Sydenstricker
• The Doctrinal Value of the First Chapters of Genesis - Dyson Hague
• The Knowledge of God - James Burrell
• "Preach the Word" - Howard Crosby
• Mormonism: Its Origin, Characteristics, and Doctrines - R. G. McNiece

Volume IX:

• The True Church - Bishop Ryle
• The Mosaic Authorship of the Pentateuch - George Frederick Wright
• The Wisdom of this World - A. W. Pitzer
• Holy Scripture and Modern Negations - James Orr
• Salvation by Grace - Thomas Spurgeon
• Divine Efficacy of Prayer - Arthur T. Pierson
• What Christ Teaches Concerning Future Retribution - William C. Procter
• A Message from Missions - Charles A. Bowen
• Eddyism: Commonly Called Christian Science - Maurice E. Wilson

Volume X:

• Why Save the Lord's Day? - Daniel Hoffman Martin
• The Internal Evidence of the Fourth Gospel - Canon G. Osborne Troop
• The Nature of Regeneration - Thomas Boston
• Regeneration—Conversion—Reformation - George W. Lasher
• Our Lord's Teachings About Money - Arthur T. Pierson
• Satan and His Kingdom - Mrs. Jessie Penn-Lewis
• The Holy Spirit and the Sons of God - W. J. Erdman
• Consecration - Henry W. Frost
• The Apologetic Value of Paul's Epistles - E.J. Stobo
• What the Bible Contains for the Believer - George F. Pentecost
• Modern Spiritualism Briefly Tested by Scripture - Algernon J. Pollock

Volume XI:

• The Biblical Conception of Sin - Thomas Whitelaw
• At-One-Ment by Propitiation - Dyson Hague
• The Grace of God - C. I. Scofield
• Fulfilled Prophecy A Potent Argument for the Bible - Arno C. Gaebelein
• The Coming of Christ - Charles R. Erdman - Argues that Christ's second coming will be (1) personal and literal, (2) with great "glory" (change, disruption) to the world, (3) imminent (possibly occurring at any time). Erdman commends humility between diverse positions, talking in turn about pre-millennial, post-millennial, and preterist positions.[4]
• Is Romanism Christianity? - T. W. Medhurst
• Rome, The Antagonist of the Nation - J. M. Foster

Volume XII:

• Doctrines that Must be Emphasized in Successful Evangelism - L. W. Munhall
• Pastoral and Personal Evangelism, or Winning Men to Christ One-by-One - John Timothy Stone
• The Sunday School's True Evangelism - Charles Gallaudet Trumbull
• Foreign Missions or World-Wide Evangelism - Robert E. Speer
• What Missionary Motives Should Prevail? - Henry W. Frost
• The Place of Prayer in Evangelism - R. A. Torrey
• The Church and Socialism - Charles R. Erdman
• The Fifteen Books Most Indispensable for the Minister or the Christian Worker

-- Wikipedia​

 

[Tangible]

I wasthinking more of the five fundamentals


Biblical inspiration and the inerrancy of scripture [efficacy, even]
Virgin birth of Jesus
Belief that Christ's death was the atonement for sin
Bodily resurrection of Jesus
Historical reality of the miracles of Jesus

 

[hedrick]

“relative truth” can mean different things, and people sometimes confuse them (at times even intentionally).

On the one hand, we have become more sophisticated in how we talk about our ideas. Fundamentalists would call one of the model "absolute truth." But folks who have learned from the enlightenment understand it as a human description (the common word is “model&#8221 of something God did. We understand that Scripture uses many ways to describe it, and that the models each capture only part of what Scripture says, and thus presumably what God actually intended. That means that “postmodern” theology is much less willing to pick one of the models and say that it’s simply the Biblical view of the atonement. Is this relative truth? In one sense yes. It’s certainly a modern / postmodern approach to truth of this kind. (I don't want to imply the medieval theologians were completely uncritical. In some ways fundamentalists seem to be trying to restore an approach that was probably never really there.)

On the other hand, we have the idea that all religions are “equally true.” This is probably what most people mean when they talk about losing “absolute truth.” You could, of course, view religions much like the models of the atonement, and say that none of them captures fully the nature of the absolute.

But there’s a difference between the two cases. First, with models of the atonement, the major models can all be connected with descriptions in Scripture. Few theologians would say that every possible model is equally good. You can look at how well a model incorporates its evidence. You can also say that some seem more central to the way Scripture talks about Christ, and that some don’t really do justice to any significant data. By and large the models don’t contradict each other.

You could in principle do the same with religions. But the people who say that all religions are equally good are not normally looking at evidence to assess which religious approaches might do justice to more of the evidence than others, nor do they seem to be noting that many of the views contradict each other in pretty fundamental ways.

I don’t think we can or should ever return to naive views of truth (not that the better Christian thinkers were ever as clueless as many portray them). We’re stuck with critical thought, and it’s a good thing. That may well mean that we don’t really think any human expression of a major truth is absolute -- and this includes Scripture. But critical thought has to be deployed intelligently. Emergent is vague enough that I'm not willing to make absolute statements about it. But the emergent writers I'm familiar with seem to use critical thought reasonably.

 

[MoreCoffee]

I was thinking more of the five fundamentals


Biblical inspiration and the inerrancy of scripture [efficacy, even]
Virgin birth of Jesus
Belief that Christ's death was the atonement for sin
Bodily resurrection of Jesus
Historical reality of the miracles of Jesus

I sometimes get confused by what evangelicals mean when they use words like "inerrancy" - as a Catholic I am inclined to use the definition given in DEI VERBUM sections 11 through 13, I'd quote the sections but some folk, well one folk to be specific, complain if I cut & paste

God be with you.

 

[shawnavery]

My reply was about tolerance.

I am not entirely sure what ECF is.

Apologies to all kitty cats who were offended (none I presume since they do not read CF/GT).

Many smirks and grins to their owners

I get what your saying.. I gave my cat some tuna she forgot all about it now

John 3:16

 

[WisdomTree]

So the standard on whether one's theology is radical is dependent on whether you follow the fundamentals?