Magic

[Dracil]

That's 'cause the OP specifically tied it to books, movies, and games.

 

[Myah]

That's 'cause the OP specifically tied it to books, movies, and games.

I wasn't just talking about this thread alone

 

[pyon]

Magic, sure. But not the same as real world magic. You can prove me wrong by showing me someone flying on a broomstick.

Looks like your just trying to pick a figt.

 

[Dracil]

It's called issuing a challenge. And it proves my point that the two "magics" are not the same thing, as no one has been capable of taking on the challenge and proving otherwise. It's a pretty easy challenge actually. If people are really learning how to do magic like they do in the books as easily as some of the people here are claiming, then it should be no problem finding the evidence I'm requesting. Are you up to the challenge?

 

[pyon]

I dont want to fight you. or persue a challenge that dosnt even make sense to me. I guess I dont undertsand what your talking about when your saying 2 magics. And what the definitions of them are.

 

[Dracil]

Well, so some people here think that fantasy magic is the same as magic in the real world. My claim is that they are different things and that they're not separating fantasy from reality.

So for the people who insist that fantasy magic = real life magic, I'm simply asking them to show me some evidence.

 

[MediocrityInAction]

I do know of someone who managed to set fire to her bedroom while performing a magic spell. Accidentally knocking over candles tends to do that. Beyond that, I believe that magic is strictly in the realms of fantasy.

 

[brettnolan]

First of all, the Chronicles of Narnia are allegorical. If you would have read the books, you would note that the only magic user, the witch, is evil. While I don't consider Lord of the Rings an allegory, it contains Christians elements to it. I've always considered Gandalf an angelic and almost Christ-like figure; not a evil old man with a collection of mandrake roots and rat's tails.

Talking animals aren't magical? Aslan wasn't magical?
If magic is bad in and of itself, then it is bad everywhere, no matter what the story is trying to say.
If you're reading the book for the overall theme, which apparently you are doing with LoTR and Narnian Chronicles, the Harry Potter also has its redeeming values.

If you try hard enough, you might even find "Christian elements." The same might be said of Star Wars(although that has nothing to do with magic). The whole Harry Potter denouncement is basically a bandwagon believer's popular sin of the moment. As I've said in another thread, where was the outcry against Beauty & the Beast, or Peter Pan, or Cinderella?

 

[smr]

My claim is that they are different things and that they're not separating fantasy from reality.

hm, show yourselves.





Edited: 7:02 am-10:14


Im not sure who your talking about in that post, when your refering to they're.


Im simply pointing out that the movie portrays witchcraft. This fits in with the OP(original post). Im not too big a fan of the movie, but Im not condemning the movie either.

 

[smr]

Edited 7:02 am


* understands that movies are movies. Also has experience in movie making.

 

[Dracil]

And I'm simply pointing out that the witchcraft referred to in the Bible is not the same as the witchcraft in the movie, whether or not one thinks it's bad or not.

 

[Shekinahs]

It kinda is funny, but it's also a little sad that some people automatically assume that Harry Potter = real magick.

The eternal debate. Folks gonna take that question to God when they die. Be the first question out their mouths when they get throught those gates

 

[Shekinahs]

As I've said in another thread, where was the outcry against Beauty & the Beast, or Peter Pan, or Cinderella?

Or Alice in Wonderland or Snow White or Puff the magic Dragon or any other the 1,000 fairy tales we read our kids.

 

[jj3pa]

Anton LaVey has nothing to do with what a typical Christian calls Satan ... he uses the word in its generic meaning ... adversary ...

"The (Satanic) church preached a faith in self-indulgence, in elitism, and libertarian values...."

Levy's brand of ..."Satanism encourages any form of sexual expression you may desire, so long as it hurts no one else," he wrote in The Satanic Bible (1969). No baby sacrifices. No pushing granny in front of the train. No real evil at all."


... not that it was (is) associated with the devil.

>>Satanists also delight in the battle between black magick and “good” white magic. >>Satanist Anton LaVey says in his Satanic Bible, "White magic is supposedly utilized >>only for good or unselfish purposes, and black magic, we are told, is used only for >>selfish or evil reasons. Satanism draws no such dividing line. Magic is magic, be it >>used to help or hinder." [The Satanic Bible, Page 51]

.. So I'd submit that this isn't a valid quote. Levy didn't know any more about what Satan wants then you do ...

>> The phoenix is one sign of the secret orders and the initiates of the ancient world. >> Most occultists believe the phoenix is a symbol of Lucifer cast down in flames who >>will rise again. One former New Age occultist said of the symbols that Satan had >>the key to her lock.

What's important is what the author thought about the phoenix, not what a few wacked-out occultists think about it ... the idea goes way back before the bible being written.

The following is a link to a poem by Hans Christian Anderson about the phoenix... can I let my children read this, or is it also evil ? eclipsephoenix homestead com/phoenixpoem2 html


If you want to learn about more witch hunts, check out the Procter and Gamble symbol
www ohnonews com /pg html

(I can't yet post links so .. the above aren't full links , need the dots
)

 

[Shekinahs]

I'm lost. What is your post in response to?

Anton LaVey has nothing to do with what a typical Christian calls Satan ... he uses the word in its generic meaning ... adversary ...

"The (Satanic) church preached a faith in self-indulgence, in elitism, and libertarian values...."

Levy's brand of ..."Satanism encourages any form of sexual expression you may desire, so long as it hurts no one else," he wrote in The Satanic Bible (1969). No baby sacrifices. No pushing granny in front of the train. No real evil at all."


... not that it was (is) associated with the devil.

>>Satanists also delight in the battle between black magick and “good” white magic. >>Satanist Anton LaVey says in his Satanic Bible, "White magic is supposedly utilized >>only for good or unselfish purposes, and black magic, we are told, is used only for >>selfish or evil reasons. Satanism draws no such dividing line. Magic is magic, be it >>used to help or hinder." [The Satanic Bible, Page 51]

.. So I'd submit that this isn't a valid quote. Levy didn't know any more about what Satan wants then you do ...

>> The phoenix is one sign of the secret orders and the initiates of the ancient world. >> Most occultists believe the phoenix is a symbol of Lucifer cast down in flames who >>will rise again. One former New Age occultist said of the symbols that Satan had >>the key to her lock.

What's important is what the author thought about the phoenix, not what a few wacked-out occultists think about it ... the idea goes way back before the bible being written.

The following is a link to a poem by Hans Christian Anderson about the phoenix... can I let my children read this, or is it also evil ? eclipsephoenix homestead com/phoenixpoem2 html


If you want to learn about more witch hunts, check out the Procter and Gamble symbol
www ohnonews com /pg html

(I can't yet post links so .. the above aren't full links , need the dots
)

 

[MissFirerose]

I'm sorry. I usually am more tactful than this but: People who think that Harry Potter is a recruiting tool for the occult that 'teaches' children magic make me want to go and cry in my room in the dark for the lost intelligence of mankind.

*cries with you*

 

[Monk Rock]

The Satanic Bible by Anton LeVey appeals to human’s natural sin nature. Parents wouldn’t let their impressionable children read that. Most parents do not know that occult imagery fills the Harry Potter books. Former Satanist -- now Born Again -- author, Cisco Wheeler recognizes the black magick rituals. Children caught up can be set up for contact by a spirit guide. Much of looks like Rowling’s vivid imagination comes from an old, obscure Luciferian book “The Chemical Wedding of Christian Rosendreutz”. This book is the basis for the initiation rituals and imagery for a Luciferian secret society of practicing occultists. Only an adept in occultism and obscure Satanism would recognize many elements of the Harry Potter books.

IMHO...

1. "The Chemical Wedding of Christian Rosenkreutz" was not written by a Luciferian... unless you would class a Lutheran as luciferian. It was written by a Lutheran pastor, J. Andreae, a guy who helped write the Lutheran Augsburg Confession.

2. Most people seem to believe occultism is Satanic from propaganda. Most systems of western occultism are derived, or have some connection with, esoteric Christianity. The reason these systems have gotten a bad name is due the infamous Aleister Crowley, who basically perverted the occult tradition in reaction to the Victorian prudeness of his contemporaries...

3. Divination is sin? Then why does the Bible make no value judgment on the Three Wise Men, who used astrological divination to find the baby in the manger.

4. Magic bad? If healing someone through supernatural means is magic, then the disciples/apostles must practiced magic when they healed people in the name of Christ. Is there really a difference between Christian miracle and pagan magic? The definition of magic that I'm aware of is this: changing reality in accordance with one's will. It was the will of the disciples/apostles to heal in Christ's name. They did. And it was for the glory of God, and not to say that they didn't need God...