Magic

[Indigo]

The set I'm using now is the Tarot of The Cat People, because of the beautiful pictures, and detailed descriptions of the fictional places where they live, it takes my mind off everything in reality for a while!

I do have an American-Indian set, and a Tarot of The Witches deck, but I don't really connect with them.

If I can, I'm hoping to find a set of Greek based cards

Blessed Be xx

I have a set of Egyptian card but I haven't used them yet. And yes, reality bites, sometimes. We all need to fantasize and dream once in a while and I don't understand when people think that God put us here to be serious and real (I'm not finding the words) when we couldn't evolve without dreaming.

FreeSpirit2001 sums it up so well in his posts and in this paragraph:

Some of us need myth as a tool for better self-assertiveness and insight into deeper parts of our nature...knowledge and studies about more psychology and spiritual insight is probably more intelligent and real to apply values of magic to...than just dwelling on the drama of the myth....there can be more real life actualization of faith and healing that is real life that is out there---its better to balance some of your "love of magic" with real life knowledge and skills of what makes for good actualized faith...understanding real life empathy with the spiritual values in the word of God...having an active faith...asking relevant questions in prayer to God and finding validation in messages in life around you...it may appear to be magic to an unbeliever...but it is actualized faith...

I'm sure Jesus joked around and read many books even on the various religions. I think he studied man a great deal in order to understand man from a man's point of view. I don't believe He said close your mind to anything that doesn't involve Me. I had to step away from religion and turn to many other things in order to begin to understand what I had learned and become an open minded spiritual person.

 

[Dracil]

But that's the point, praying is not magic but creates magic which only God has the real power to do. And it seems to me that would be the case regarding any kind of magic unless it is for evil purposes, then Satan is the one doing the magic.

But according to them, *all* magic is evil. There is no such thing as "good" magic. In other words, they claim that all magic comes from Satan. I'm pretty sure they don't think miracles are magic. They're just that, miracles.

As for me personally, miracles are miracles, and magic that can interact with the real world does not exist.

 

[Indigo]

As for me personally, miracles are miracles, and magic that can interact with the real world does not exist.

I'm a little confused about where you stand on this issue? Do you mean that you believe what people call magic are actually miracles? That's what I believe unless it is with bad intent as then you are just calling on evil spirits.

I believe rituals are just one way that some people need in order to believe in what they are doing. For instance, everything a Christian does in church or while praying are just rituals to make them believe in their prayers therefore to make them true. Some people just need different forms of rituals to make them believe and that's all witchcraft is.

I'm still waiting for a christian to give me an in-depth definition of witchcraft as it is mentioned and meant in the Bible. Not a quote from the Bible but the origin of the word.

 

[Dracil]

Actually, I believe what most people call magic is just a combination of their imagination, placebo effect, hallucinations, and just generally bad resolutions of cognitive dissonance.

True miracles would be rare, something that almost no one will ever experience, and it's not necessarily some hocus pocus thing.

 

[Myah]

PistGurl, try the Faerie Tarot deck, I love that one. Tarot of a Moon Garden was my first deck when I was just a novie Fond memories.

My first deck was the Thoth deck, but I never really connected with it well and many of the readings were very negative in nature. I only use my hand made runes now.

 

[smr]

here is a review for the movie the Sorcerer's Stone:

Editorial Review
Here's an event movie that holds up to being an event. This filmed version of Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone, adapted from the wildly popular book by J.K. Rowling, stunningly brings to life Harry Potter's world of Hogwarts, the school for young witches and wizards.

 

[Dracil]

here is a review for the movie the Sorcerer's Stone:

What was the point of that review? If it's the "witches and wizards" part, then once again, I challenge you to show me a real life witch or wizard flying on a broomstick. We've asked this of you and other anti-harry potter people several times, and the only response we got back was a fallacious Complex Question. So I'd really appreciate it if you responded with a direct example.

 

[smr]

What is your point.........
we also know that movie portrays the broom and pointy hat to imply that it is a witch. Yeah it does seem kinda ridculous to have a witch on a broom

Are you classifying me as "anti-harry potter", could this be an assumption on your part/


To say that flying on a broomstick makes the witch......so should we say that all "witchs" fly on brooms

The fact remains:

Editorial Review
Here's an event movie that holds up to being an event. This filmed version of Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone, adapted from the wildly popular book by J.K. Rowling, stunningly brings to life Harry Potter's world of Hogwarts, the school for young witches and wizards.

hope this doesnt come off as offensive.

I enjoy entertaining movies....

 

[Dracil]

Deleted as I was insta-edited by smr.

 

[smr]

2) What IS your view of magic and Harry Potter? Good, bad, neutral?

that is my point, im not argueing w/you

 

[Dracil]

Ok, let's try this again.

What is your point.........
we also know that movie portrays the broom and pointy hat to imply that it is a witch. Yeah it does seem kinda ridculous to have a witch on a broom

Actually, based on the world of Harry Potter, it is not merely an implication, it is actually a part of the world.

Are you classifying me as "anti-harry potter", could this be an assumption on your part/

Yes, that was an assumption on my part, and in hindsight (especially after the clarifications from your edited post), it was wrong, so I apologize.

To say that flying on a broomstick makes the witch......so should we say that all "witchs" fly on brooms

In the world of Harry Potter (and certain other depictions of witches), yes. As for whether or not it's applicable to the real world, that's actually my question to you, since early on in this thread. Although I ask about whether you think fictional magic is the same as magic in the real world, as your previous posts demonstrated you do. e.g.

We all agree the movie is about a boy that practises/or attempts to practise _ _ _ _ _. (yes/no)

When you asked us this question when we were stating that real world magic is not the same as fictional magic, you demonstrated, intentionally or not, that you think they're the same thing. Yet, your questions to me here seem to indicate you don't think they're the same. So which is it? And one further clarification, what IS your view of magic? Do you think it's good, bad, both, or neither? It's only fair that you state your position clearly in a debate.

 

[Dracil]

2) What IS your view of magic and Harry Potter? Good, bad, neutral?

that is my point, im not argueing w/you

My question is your point? And if you aren't arguing with me... that means there's been a big misunderstanding on my part... But still, I'm interested in your answer to the question as your position within the thread continues to be rather ambiguous. We can't be expected to understand your position when your posts are so vague... otherwise, I'll be forced to skip over your posts due to lack of comprehension.

Then again, maybe it's the fact that it's only a several hours till sunrise and I'm still up combined with only 3 hours of sleep yesterday that's making me incapable of understanding your posts.

 

[MediocrityInAction]

This is little more than an idle musing, and I admit I have no hard evidence to back it up.
Isn't it possible that the reason many Christians refuse to accept the 'its just fiction' agument stems from the practice of biblical literalisam. My (admittedly half-cocked) theory is that it inculates into people an inability to take any form of media which touches upon matters of spirituality as being anything but serious. Due to a predisposition to accept such material at its most basic face value, the ability to define between fiction and nonfiction is lost, or at least warped.

 

[Dracil]

That is an interesting idea you have there. At the very least, I'd agree with the part about not being able to accept that "it's just fiction" being caused by the practice of Biblical Literalism. But I can think of a couple other plausible ways of making the connection there although yours is definitely original!

 

[PistGurl]

I'm sure my mum had a deck that was similar to that when I was young...all I can remember is a really beautiful picture of a blue moon, woth wolves walking past, and there was a little man to the left watching them holding a bunch of white lillies...don't know whether it's the same, just thought I'd say!

And in reply to someones quite random little comment that devination is a sin in God's eyes:

If you read the Bible, I'm sure you also will find the many parts where it says about Jesus disciples and good Christian men using devination to know what God wanted....God joined in....if I had a Bible handy I'd probably do much better in this forum!

It's in the shed, we moved house!

I'll find it though!!!!!!

Blessed Be xx

 

[pmarquette]

Myah


Gotta say Im for that though

I would be more concerned about all the
sex , violence , gay and homosexual agenda ,
negative new bias , and antichristian world message
than I would be about a book , movie ....

100 years ago .... in the 60's and 70's we were
worried about rock and roll and long hair ...

as Gamaliel said , lets keep and eye on it for awhile ... acts 5.38 +/-

 

[smr]

Deleted as I was insta-mis-understood by Dracil. January 8th 6:08 PM

But according to them, *all* magic is evil. There is no such thing as "good" magic. In other words, they claim that all magic comes from Satan. I'm pretty sure they don't think miracles are magic. They're just that, miracles.

As for me personally, miracles are miracles, and magic that can interact with the real world does not exist.

This whole paragraph unless otherwise explained, is to be considered trash, aside from the last paragraph.
There isnt anywhere in this thread that records me stating these false accusations.

 

[Shekinahs]

Why does a magick thread always end up in a Harry Potter debate Too funny.

 

[Skellybones]

I know this topic has been covered numerous times, but I thought I'd ask anyway... what is your opinion on the use of magic in today's television, movies, books and video games?

Fun but misleading; it tends to make some people believe that by simply picking up a Wicca For Dummies book will enable them to maim their enemies with bolts of fire. The Art does not function this way.

Do you think it is an exception because the magic The Bible speaks of has to do with the use of casting spells, preforming rituals, and using special charms?

When an accurate translation of the entire bible is found, I'll give you my opinion.

Well, I know for sure that some of those things out in the media use that kind of stuff, but I know in some video games, you simply select the word "magic" on the screen and something will happen like a lightning bolt shooting down from the sky, or you can use it to heal other players in the game. Do you think that kind of magic is wrong, such as the kind in games and movies like Final Fantasy and Lord of the Rings?

"How could it be wrong" would be a better question...

I know that The Bible seems to clearly forbid witchcraft, but I know this other kind of magic, like the kind found in Final Fantasy and Lord of the Rings, is drastically different. So what does everyone else think?

I think that anyone implying that rpg magic is identical to The Art is mad. This is hyped rendition of reality, and even if certain loons see The Art as evil/immoral/etc., they still have no ground to speak against PC games simply because of their use of magic. Remember that there will always be a scapegoat for every generation.

 

[Myah]

Why does a magick thread always end up in a Harry Potter debate Too funny.

It kinda is funny, but it's also a little sad that some people automatically assume that Harry Potter = real magick.