Madagascar and Australia, a question for creationists.

[Skreeper]

Jesus was God's sacrifice to humanity.

What exactly did Jesus sacrifice?

If we believe in Jesus and accept His grace we do not have to suffer the consequences—Jesus did for us!

What consequences did he exactly suffer?

You see, God is a perfect God. Which means He is the epitome of justice and justice must be served.

I thought he was the epitome of mercy?

If you have sinned against God, by God's very nature, He must punish you.

The punishment should fit the crime. Eternal torture is a fitting punishment for not believing?

The flood was a special circumstance to protect His creation.

So he is just incompetent then? Based on the claim that he is all-knowing he already knew what would happen at the moment of creation and still went ahead and created us this way.

 

[Gospel_van]

Yeah, I understand your assertion. All you have though, is a pseudonymous copy of an ancient manuscript, claiming god told them to jot something down. Now you tell me, who is gullible, the one making the claim, or the one who accepts it?

If my beliefs hinged on this verse then I would consider myself quite gullible.

 

[Gospel_van]

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What exactly did Jesus sacrifice?

His life, Jesus came to earth knowing His creation would brutally murder Him on a cross. What do you consider a sacrifice of that doesn't suffice?

What consequences did he exactly suffer?

Death by crucifixion.

I thought he was the epitome of mercy?
Epitome of mercy, justice, wrath, etc...


The punishment should fit the crime. Eternal torture is a fitting punishment for not believing?

It's more than that. It's rejecting Christ. Rejecting HIS sacrifice to pay for YOUR sins.

So he is just incompetent then? Based on the claim that he is all-knowing he already knew what would happen at the moment of creation and still went ahead and created us this way.

Yes, God planned out His death. It was a rescue mission for His people. This is pretty much what the history books in the bible are all about.

* I answered your other questions within the quotes...[/COLOR]

 

[HitchSlap]

If my beliefs hinged on this verse then I would consider myself quite gullible.

Yet you thought it important enough to post.

 

[USincognito]

yes. they arent the same and they even different in the genetic level.

Thanks. You've just stated that they are quantitatively different and not functionally or qualitatively different at all (the way a cephalopod and a mammal eye are for example). Glad to have you agree with me.

amd again: even a dog with wings will not falsified evolution.

Again, a dog that eventually develops wings would not falsify evolution, but a dog that developed bat or bird wings would falsify it. Why is this so hard for you to grasp?

 

[Allandavid]

Ha! Given the evolutionary context of the thread, that's a hilarious typo. Sad that so many folks posting here won't understand why.

Perhaps his writing underwent a transcription mutation...?

 

[Allandavid]

Thank you! It's great to be apart of the spiritual family and grow with all my brothers and sisters!

Apart..??

 

[Skreeper]

His life, Jesus came to earth knowing His creation would brutally murder Him on a cross. What do you consider a sacrifice of that doesn't suffice?

I would have considered it a sacrifice if he didn't resurrect after 3 days. At least when Elvis died for my sins he stayed dead.

Death by crucifixion.

So you say that he suffered death by crucifixion so we don't have to die by crucifixion?

Epitome of mercy, justice, wrath, etc...

So is he all-merciful or all-just? He can't be both at the same time unless you say he sometimes shows mercy and sometimes is just.

It's more than that. It's rejecting Christ. Rejecting HIS sacrifice to pay for YOUR sins.

I'm not rejecting anything. I don't believe this God exists and I didn't ask for a sacrifice. Why didn't your god create a world where this sacrifice wouldn't be needed?

Yes, God planned out His death. It was a rescue mission for His people. This is pretty much what the history books in the bible are all about.

Rescue from what? He apparently makes the rules and creates universes just by uttering some words. He could have easily just said "Hey guys, I know we didn't have the best start but I forgive you all" instead of going for this ridiculous "Sacrifice myself to myself to save humans from myself" Quest-line.

 

[The Stamp]

You believe man, I believe God.

I don't believe man but you do, you tell yourself you don't but you do.
You still didn't respond about faith being the only way to truth when faith leads most people to the wrong religions, it's obviously a sore point so don't bother because faith for you is the way as long as points you to the right religion.
I personally think that you have been sold a pup.

 

[The Stamp]

Rescue from what? He apparently makes the rules and creates universes just by uttering some words. He could have easily just said "Hey guys, I know we didn't have the best start but I forgive you all" instead of going for this ridiculous "Sacrifice myself to myself to save humans from myself" Quest-line.

Perhaps religions are a gullibility test.

 

[Allandavid]

2 Timothy 3:16 states that all scripture is God-breathed. Men wrote it on God's behalf and every word is inspired by the Holy Spirit. The writing style is attributed to the writer but the context is from God.

Claims a man.

 

[USincognito]

The entire geological column was effected by the flood, yes. Below the basement rock little erosion has occurred making the weight given erroneous in this discussion

The problem with that claim is that all throughout the geological column are indicators that the Flood didn't happen.
Here's a list I've put together of some of the problems:
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How does a Flood explain subaerial igneous deposits?
How does a Flood address all the heat that would be produced by the formation of limestone?
How does the Flood explain trace fossils?
How does the Flood explain faunal succession?
How does the Flood explain 60,000 varve layers in Lake Suigetsu and hundreds of thousands of layers in ice cores?
How does the Flood explain glacial erosion and deposits?
How does Flood explain eolian deposits and paleosols?
How does the Flood explain meanders like Horseshoe bend?
How does the Flood explain the different states of erosion exhibited by different mountain ranges?
How does the Flood explain batholiths?
Why did RATE admit there was 500,000,000 years worth of radioactive decay in the geological record?

 

[USincognito]

What, then, is your explanation for the stratigraphic column?1. Have you ever looked at a flood model?2. Or do you speak of ignorance?3.

1. Standard geology. I can clarify further if you need me to.
2. I've been doing the Crevo thing for over 20 years now. A good 25-33% of my 30,000+ posts to CF have been in Creationism and Evolution.
3. I've probably forgotten more about it in the past month than you've learned in the last five years*.

* This is a paraphrase of a line from Lethal Weapon.

 

[USincognito]

Yes, they evolved into kangaroos from the original created kind that God made.

If we limit the "original created kind" (did they not evolve during the time between the Creation and the Flood?) to Macropodiformes, that means that means they diversified into 69 different genera in less than 4-6,000 years.

 

[miamited]

Hi stamp,

You asked:

You still didn't respond about faith being the only way to truth when faith leads most people to the wrong religions

Sorry for the delay. i had to go back and find it. Check post #261.

God bless you,
In Christ, ted

 

[AV1611VET]

Said some anonymous dude.

That's what Satan wants you to think.

Act 19:15 And the evil spirit answered and said, Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are ye?

Satan knows him well, but Satan doesn't want you to know him.

You're above that!

Don't let science get in the way ... look through it and see the Truth!

(I'll be praying for you.)

 

[Allandavid]

That's what Satan wants you to think.

Act 19:15 And the evil spirit answered and said, Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are ye?

Satan knows him well, but Satan doesn't want you to know him.

You're above that!

Don't let science get in the way ... look through it and see the Truth!

(I'll be praying for you.)

And who was the MAN who wrote that...?

 

[AV1611VET]

And who was the MAN who wrote that...?

My mistake.

Luke wrote the book of Acts, not Paul.

 

[HitchSlap]

That's what Satan wants you to think.

Act 19:15 And the evil spirit answered and said, Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are ye?

Satan knows him well, but Satan doesn't want you to know him.

You're above that!

Don't let science get in the way ... look through it and see the Truth!

(I'll be praying for you.)

That's what the dude who wrote Acts (complete fabrication BTW) wants you to think that's what god wants you to think Satan wants you to think.

Fortunately, there's no evidence for either. So sleep well tonight. No need to pray for anyone, really.

 

[Allandavid]

My mistake.

Luke wrote the book of Acts, not Paul.

And who, exactly, was 'Luke'...?