Macroevolution:

[Subduction Zone]

And that explains absolutely nothing.

One of AV's favorite tactics, try to make a point by linking to a failed argument of his. No one knows why he does this.

 

[Allandavid]

1. Is just a theory.

Like ALL of science.

2. Is nothing more than a game of connect-the-dots.

And...?

3. Is anathema to the Bible.

Irrelevant to its truth...

4. Cannot be observed.

False.

5. Is mistaken as a result of microevolution.

There is no real distinction between the two. Walking to the corner, walking across town, walking across the country...same process.

6. Was forged by a runaway, who later made a deathbed confession.

Lie.

7. Is a lie of the Devil.

Irrelevant claim.

8. Is 1 of 7 types of cosmic evolution.

???

9. Is defended by some who are very aggressive against Christianity.

Irrelevant to its truth.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

This looks promising: Evolutionary biochemistry: revealing the historical and physical causes of protein properties

The abstract reads more like wishful thinking than settled science. The conclusion of the article also reveals some problems.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

How detailed do you want? I mean, there is ample information online for these subjects. In the current age of the Internet, there's not really an excuse for people to not be able to learn these things.

Kinda like information about health (that doctors don't seem able to find)?

 

[pitabread]

Kinda like information about health (that doctors don't seem able to find)?

I don't know what that means.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

I don't know what that means.

I don't think the information that I'm seeking is available anywhere as it hasn't been discovered yet. (Never mind what I said about health.)

 

[AV1611VET]

What happens if after reconsideration gorillas and chimps are put in the same genus as man?

Nothing happens.

The sun will still rise and set, and Detroit will keep making cars.

But I don't think, in God's eyes, man and gorilla and chimps should be in the same genus.

According to Genesis 1, those in the same genus should be able to reproduce "after their own kind."

I realize evolutionists don't look at themselves as committing adultery and fornication, instead they see themselves as "mating," but even your Mother Nature has you keeping it in the same kind.

You can claim on paper we're in the same boat as chimps; but in the end, it's who you wake up with that shows you don't walk your talk.

And I'm thankful that you keep your bedrooms separate from your laboratories.

Linnaeus must have been into bestiality or something.

 

[xianghua]

OK, thanks, therefore, it seems to me that asking that would result in most everything being of the same "kind". Is that not very convenient for those who promote evolution as there is no need to explain how any one entity evolved into a totally different entity because they are all the same?

"Chordata is a familiar phylum that includes organisms like mammals, fish, birds,reptiles, and amphibians (all vertebrates); sea squirts (tunicates); and lancelets (cephalochordates). All chordates have a notochord, a dorsal nerve cord, and pharyngeal slits at some point in their development.Jan 20, 2016"

What about using "Species" or "Genus", when would they be used and can you provide an example?

With the chicken and horse example, would it be appropriate to ask if they were of the same "species"?

i think you may refer to the family level. this is the closest way to fit creationist kind with the texonomic definition (but not in all cases). speciation isnt evolution because it's basically the same creature.

 

[AV1611VET]

One of AV's favorite tactics, try to make a point by linking to a failed argument of his. No one knows why he does this.

You should know that a man mating with a chimp doesn't produce a mimp.

For some reason, something goes "wrong" and nothing happens.

That's because God is a God of boundaries and the (this is a disgusting topic, but that's science for you) spermatozoa can't work its work.

It hits a "wall" it can't get around.

 

[Kylie]

Guatama also ran away, leaving his son without a father.

Only he came back as the "Enlightened One;" whereas Darwin came back with a communicable disease.

Your skill of not answering questions is astounding, but in a bad way...

 

[Kylie]

it's not. there is a difference between a variation and by adding new complex system that need at least several parts.

Yeah, and by making this claim you demonstrate that you don't actually know how evolution works.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Nothing happens.

The sun will still rise and set, and Detroit will keep making cars.

But I don't think, in God's eyes, man and gorilla and chimps should be in the same genus.

According to Genesis 1, those in the same genus should be able to reproduce "after their own kind."

I realize evolutionists don't look at themselves as committing adultery and fornication, instead they see themselves as "mating," but even your Mother Nature has you keeping it in the same kind.

You can claim on paper we're in the same boat as chimps; but in the end, it's who you wake up with that shows you don't walk your talk.

And I'm thankful that you keep your bedrooms separate from your laboratories.

Linnaeus must have been into bestiality or something.

Then you just admitted that one of your favorite arguments is false.

And you should not tell falsehoods AV, it is not just "on paper". It is in your blood. The fact that you are an ape is written in every cell of your body.

 

[AV1611VET]

The fact that you are an ape is written in every cell of your body.

Uh-huh.

And I'm Genghis Khan.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You should know that a man mating with a chimp doesn't produce a mimp.

For some reason, something goes "wrong" and nothing happens.

That's because God is a God of boundaries and the (this is a disgusting topic, but that's science for you) spermatozoa can't work its work.

It hits a "wall" it can't get around.

AV, you referred to a failed argument of yours without an explanation. That is a bad debating technique. And you may be right, man and chimp may not be able to interbreed. But we really don't know for sure. If you are so positive would you volunteer members of your family, both male and female of breeding age, to participate in an experiment?

And is just the mere mention of sperm enough to set you off? I know that you have a strange aversion to sex. Perhaps you should talk to someone about that.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Uh-huh.

And I'm Genghis Khan.

Thank you for admitting that you are wrong Genghis.

 

[lesliedellow]

Uh-huh.

And I'm Genghis Khan.

Genghis Khan or not, you are still an ape.

 

[tevans9129]

This is kind of interesting. If my kids were to be born UNABLE TO BE KILLED BY GUNSHOTS TO THE HEAD you would find that simply to be an "adaptation" and not really all that impressive.

Which is kind of what bacteria do. They develop the ability (through the wonders of biochemistry) to ADAPT and NOT BE KILLED BY ANTIBIOTICS that could kill most of them just two generations earlier.

And that isn't impressive enough? That isn't miraculous enough?

Wow. You are a tough room.

Are they still bacteria?

 

[lesliedellow]

Are they still bacteria?

Until they evolve into multicellular organisms along a number of possible routes.

 

[xianghua]

Yeah, and by making this claim you demonstrate that you don't actually know how evolution works.

if you say so...

 

[xianghua]

Genghis Khan or not, you are still an ape.

human isnt an ape like a car isnt a truck.