Lusting

[ChristianCenturion]

i would habve ot agree with this. I dont agree at all with the rock stuff

Interesting that a Christian would 'not agree' about that 'rock stuff'. It's not like this is foreign to Christian teachings.

Matthew 21:42
Jesus said to them, “Have you never read in the Scriptures: “ ‘The stone the builders rejected has become the capstone [ Or cornerstone] ; the Lord has done this, and it is marvelous in our eyes’ [ Psalm 118:22,23] ?

Ephesians 2:20
built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone.

Luke 20:18
Everyone who falls on that stone will be broken to pieces, but he on whom it falls will be crushed.”

Romans 9:33
As it is written: “See, I lay in Zion a stone that causes men to stumble and a rock that makes them fall, and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame.”

Exodus 17:6
I will stand there before you by the rock at Horeb. Strike the rock, and water will come out of it for the people to drink." So Moses did this in the sight of the elders of Israel.
1 Corinthians 10:4
and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ.

1 Peter 2:7-9
7Now to you who believe, this stone is precious. But to those who do not believe, “The stone the builders rejected
has become the capstone, 8and, “A stone that causes men to stumble
and a rock that makes them fall.” They stumble because they disobey the message–which is also what they were destined for.
9But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people belonging to God, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light.

 

[truthinlove]

If lusting is such a sin, then why does everyone do it

The word lust just means desire. It is only a sin to desire something if God has forbidden it.

It's a very simple Biblical truth, but still very misunderstood.

Truthnluv

 

[blue_crystal]

It's not wrong to want or think about sex. I think lusting is really just powerful desire for something specific you're not allowed to have and we're allowed to have sex, in marriage.

 

[seebs]

The word lust just means desire. It is only a sin to desire something if God has forbidden it.

It's a very simple Biblical truth, but still very misunderstood.

Truthnluv

This is simply incorrect. "Lust", as a sin, is a term of art, and not all desire is lust. Even desire for forbidden things is not necessarily lust. It is letting desire control you that is lust.

 

[Johnnz]

The word does mean strong desire. Jesus used the word when he said he desired to eat the passover with his disciples. Lust requires a genuine motive and pursuit of something.

Strangely, it is used most often in relation to sex. Very often mere sexual arousal (erections is one example) is deemed to be lust, which is quite wrong, Of course sexual arousal may lead to lust, but not all sexual arousal can be classified as lust.

It is also strange that we do not use the word much for other strong desires which are just as wrong - prestige, wealth, possessions etc. We can lust after many many more things that sex.

John
NZ

 

[truthinlove]

This is simply incorrect. "Lust", as a sin, is a term of art, and not all desire is lust. Even desire for forbidden things is not necessarily lust. It is letting desire control you that is lust.

pathos-a passion

epithumia-a longing

epithumeo-to long for or set the heart upon

These are the words used for lust or desire in the New Testament. If the context had a sinful connotation the translators used the word 'lust', which was a Middle English word with a sinful connotation.

But the original words just mean desire and desire is only sinful if the object of desire is forbidden by God.

Truthnluv

 

[seebs]

The problem with that reading is that it leads directly to notions like "no rape within marriage". It is clear that lust can occur within a "legitimate" context.

 

[ChristianCenturion]

The problem with that reading is that it leads directly to notions like "no rape within marriage". It is clear that lust can occur within a "legitimate" context.

Can you rape your partner in marriage?
Please clarify whether doctrine or civil law.

 

[billwald]

In Washington State one can be charged with rape of a partner but doesn't happen very often.

 

[seebs]

Can you rape your partner in marriage?
Please clarify whether doctrine or civil law.

From either perspective, yes.

This is why it's important to study terms of art carefully. We use the same word for a workman's pride in his craft and the sin of pride, using only context to distinguish.

In English, we have an easier time distinguishing; more words.

 

[ChristianCenturion]

From either perspective, yes.

This is why it's important to study terms of art carefully. We use the same word for a workman's pride in his craft and the sin of pride, using only context to distinguish.

In English, we have an easier time distinguishing; more words.

I am unaware of scripture that states one can rape his/her spouse. I know where the truth lies, but that comes from the Spirit. I was curious if there was scripture that addressed that... there is scripture that may be used otherwise 'technically' (i.e. one flesh, can't rape one's self, etc.)

 

[ChristianCenturion]

In Washington State one can be charged with rape of a partner but doesn't happen very often.

Yes and I would think many other states as well. This would also make the Christian fall under submission to the laws of the land, and therefore be 'civil' reasons but not necessarily direct doctrinal reasons.

This interested me only a little and it probably would be an interesting if not a heated discussion topic, but I would be ashamed of having my name as starting it due to it possibly being seen that I may be condoning it... which I'm not. But I see it as something we are to be obedient to in Spirit and the Spirit tells us what is right and wrong in this, but the legalist and the Sola Scriptura (?) may have problems working on scripture alone. I guess it is THAT aspect of it that interests me the most.

 

[seebs]

Scripture doesn't actually address rape much at all.

 

[ChristianCenturion]

Scripture doesn't actually address rape much at all.

OK, I was fishing for a possible verse that I wasn't aware of... I believe your statement is correct.

 

[Antoninus Verus]

I am unaware of scripture that states one can rape his/her spouse. I know where the truth lies, but that comes from the Spirit. I was curious if there was scripture that addressed that... there is scripture that may be used otherwise 'technically' (i.e. one flesh, can't rape one's self, etc.)

I hate to butt in, but rape is defined as any un-wanted sexual contact. Rape is wrong. And if your partner doesnt want to have sex and you force them to, thats rape. Popular mis-conception that you cant rape your spouse

If I may respond to the original topic, lust is the human word for the biological instinct and desire to reproduce. Its not un-natural, (the) God(s) made us that way and Im sure they/he did so on purpose. Its the way nature keeps us breeding. And EVERY human being has lusted or is capable of lust. NO EXCEPTIONS. Not a single one. Every single person can/has/will lusted after annother human being in thier lifetime. Im sure even the Pope did a double take at one point when a pretty girl walked by. Its natural, its part of US, its what makes us us. To deny that is to deny what makes us who we are. We are passionate creatures, you cant get away from that. Pray till your lungs implode, you cant change it, nither in yourself or others. We are MADE this way

 

[tqpix]

If lusting is such a sin, then why does everyone do it

They either don't believe in God and therefore don't care that they are committing a sin; or they believe in God but haven't read God's word, so they don't know that lusting is a sin.

 

[Antoninus Verus]

They either don't believe in God and therefore don't care that they are committing a sin; or they believe in God but haven't read God's word, so they don't know that lusting is a sin.

What about people like me? I believe God exists but I dont believe his path is the ONLY path and I KNOW that lust is a sin according to his way of thinking. But I rather look on lust as a healthy symbol of a person's passion and virility

 

[ChristianCenturion]

What about people like me? I believe God exists but I dont believe his path is the ONLY path and I KNOW that lust is a sin according to his way of thinking. But I rather look on lust as a healthy symbol of a person's passion and virility

What do you think of the notion that lust can be an addiction i.e. pornography, infidelity, rape etc. when out of healthy boundaries is destructive.

Do you acknowledge that and it's just an issue of the boundaries contained in the Bible?

 

[Antoninus Verus]

What do you think of the notion that lust can be an addiction i.e. pornography, infidelity, rape etc. when out of healthy boundaries is destructive.

Do you acknowledge that and it's just an issue of the boundaries contained in the Bible?

I think its a fanciful notion and entirely un-true. First off, rape is almost always about power and control, hardly ever is it about the sex. Its about gaining power in the most complete and total way possible. And I dont believe pornography is addictive, allthough I think that its gotten a touch out of hand, I have no problem with porn as long as its done with consentual models.

Infidelity is an example of lust going too far. Allowing it to rule your senses and your life.

However I believe that a little lust is healthy and natural. I am going out with a girl, have been for almost 9 months, and I love her to the core. But if a pretty girl walks by, I may turn my head and look. Does that mean Im being un-faithful? No, it simply means that the girl who walked by was attractive. It doesnt mean I love my girlfriend any less or think any less of her. The passerby was momentary eye candy, forgotten in a few heartbeats.

I have the same rules with her, I see her looking at other guys or commenting that a certain guy is hot. I dont feel threatend because I know that she loves me and would never be unfaithful.

We both lust after others for fleeting moments, but our hearts are always on eachother and that hasnt changed since day one.

I fail to see how that is unhealthy.

 

[ChristianCenturion]

I think its a fanciful notion and entirely un-true. First off, rape is almost always about power and control, hardly ever is it about the sex. Its about gaining power in the most complete and total way possible. And I dont believe pornography is addictive, allthough I think that its gotten a touch out of hand, I have no problem with porn as long as its done with consentual models.

Infidelity is an example of lust going too far. Allowing it to rule your senses and your life.

However I believe that a little lust is healthy and natural. I am going out with a girl, have been for almost 9 months, and I love her to the core. But if a pretty girl walks by, I may turn my head and look. Does that mean Im being un-faithful? No, it simply means that the girl who walked by was attractive. It doesnt mean I love my girlfriend any less or think any less of her. The passerby was momentary eye candy, forgotten in a few heartbeats.

I have the same rules with her, I see her looking at other guys or commenting that a certain guy is hot. I dont feel threatend because I know that she loves me and would never be unfaithful.

We both lust after others for fleeting moments, but our hearts are always on eachother and that hasnt changed since day one.

I fail to see how that is unhealthy.

Fair enough.
I hope experience from the hidden harm isn't the thing that changes your mind in that. Keep it in the back of your mind and reconsider in 20 years or so. New love may lose its luster (Hmmm, funny that is used) after time and the superficial physical appearance is outgunned by the 'new models'. It's then that lust usually proves itself to be a double edged sword.