Lunar eclipse from 6th-9th hour, after a 3pm crucifixion, would be 9-12midnight

[granpa]

your argument is self defeating.
(This is exactly why the big lie works)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Lie

people will believe a big lie sooner than a little one

people believed the earth was flat too even though educated people knew better.

 

[granpa]

the government knows about these volcanic eruptions but suppresses the information to prevent panic. the last one caused the fall of the roman empire

edit:I forgot about
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_Without_a_Summer

 

[ebia]

Nothing like a good conspiracy theory to bolster a flagging argument.

 

[Goinheix]

Anytime anyone reads something in the bible and thinks "why hasn't anyone realised this before" they should stop. Someone probably has thought it before, and if it's not out there as a common idea it's because lots of people have already pointed out the flaw.

There are still fresh insights to be had from Scripture as God, through scholarship etc, allows fresh light to be thrown on it. But they aren't going to be in the "bleedin' obvious" category.

Can you point out the flaw?
Can you - and all the common idea for the last 16 centuries - what date Jesus was crucified?

 

[Goinheix]

Anytime anyone reads something in the bible and thinks "why hasn't anyone realised this before" they should stop. Someone probably has thought it before, and if it's not out there as a common idea it's because lots of people have already pointed out the flaw.

There are still fresh insights to be had from Scripture as God, through scholarship etc, allows fresh light to be thrown on it. But they aren't going to be in the "bleedin' obvious" category.

I am Baptist. I am the fruit of Luther saying that the common idea for too many centuries was wrong. Same as me, and opposite to your position are almost all christians of the world, commencing with the east orthodoxes, the aglican, and all the protestants churches.

 

[Goinheix]

the government knows about these volcanic eruptions but suppresses the information to prevent panic. the last one caused the fall of the roman empire

I guess I begging to understand. The goverment is preventin panic from volcanic eruptions that prove that Jesus was not crcified the day I say.

 

[ebia]

I am Baptist. I am the fruit of Luther saying that the common idea for too many centuries was wrong. Same as me, and opposite to your position are almost all christians of the world, commencing with the east orthodoxes, the aglican, and all the protestants churches.

I would not accept that as a reasonable summary of the reformation, but even if it were we are not at that point. We are not at the point where the Church we have access to has enforced one set of thinking to the exclusion of all others and surpressed all disagreement that could throw fresh light. We have had a few centuries of reformation - the obvious stuff has long since been dealt with.

 

[granpa]

I posted these in another thread but they belong here

here is something interesting that i found
Luke 23 Interlinear Bible

it says the sabbath "was beginning" but when i look up "beginning" it says 'to dawn'.

in other words the sabbath was about to dawn.

mark 15 says that 'when evening (late) was come"
but when I look at the interlinear it says
"evening having already come"

there was also a total eclipse on june 14 of 29 but that would be too late in the year for passover.
(unless they had a very long winter)

I am starting to wonder if there might not be something to this.
a long winter could be due to a volcanic eruption similar to
Extreme weather events of 535–536

if the sun was dark that year that could lead to confusion over the 'darkness from 6th to 9th hour'.
people would naturally assume it was referring to the sun being dark when it was actually a lunar eclipse.

Timetable_of_major_worldwide_volcanic_eruptions

this would also have parallels with
The Exodus Decoded - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Minoan eruption - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_Without_a_Summer

 

[granpa]

Chronology of Jesus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The 3rd/4th century Roman historian Lactantius states that
Jesus was crucified on a particular day in 29 AD

Another fact to be considered is Luke's statement that John the Baptist's ministry
began in the fifteenth year of the reign of emperor Tiberius (Luke 3:1-2).
Tiberius' reign began after Augustus' death on 19 August 14 AD,
placing John's appearance in 28 or 29 AD
(counting August 14 AD to August 15 AD as the first year).

 

[Goinheix]

where are yo leading to?

I haqve already aswer you - with the Gospels - that Jesus was buried late, very late on the preparation day, that is before sunset. obviusly you want to repeat all again.

 

[Goinheix]

Originally Posted by granpa

here is something interesting that i found
Luke 23 Interlinear Bible

it says the sabbath "was beginning" but when i look up "beginning" it says 'to dawn'.

in other words the sabbath was about to dawn.
​

dawn (dôn)n.1. The time each morning at which daylight first begins.
2. A first appearance; a beginning: the dawn of history. See Synonyms at beginning.

intr.v. dawned, dawn·ing, dawns 1. To begin to become light in the morning.
2. To begin to appear or develop; emerge.
3. To begin to be perceived or understood: Realization of the danger soon dawned on us.

The sabbath was about to begin. The sabbath begins at sunset.

 

[Goinheix]

Mark 15:42
And now, when the eve was come, because it was the preparation, that is the day before the sabbath.

Luke 23:54
And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on.

It was late, too late, way to late in the preparation day, the day before the sabbath. The latest it can be in the preparation day is 17:59. Any later is already Sabbath.

 

[Goinheix]

I believe in Paul when say that Jesus Christ died as scriptures say. That is meaning Moses but also the Gospels. Moses stablished tha Passover Fest as a week long fest, not just one day. For the Christ to die according to Moses, it is necessary he died one of day of the fest week, not necessarely the first day. And the Gospels are clear in that Jesus was not crucified the 14th, nor the 15th, but some day later that week. The Gospels describe how it comes the morning (daybreaks) so many times during his long trials. The Gospels account long, very long rials that could not be performed in few hours from arrest to 9am same morning. The Gospels are telling us that Jesus was before Pilates one day, and crcified next day.

Concerning a possible dead by midnight, it is agaist the Gospels telling us that Jesus died few hours before the next day (sabbath) commenced. And a day commence by sunset, not midnoght.

 

[Goinheix]

http://www.christianforums.com/t7548976/

 

[granpa]

June 14 of 29 AD was a tue and its julian day #1731815

apr 25 of 31 AD was a Wed and its julian day #1732495

http://www.csgnetwork.com/juliandaydate.html

 

[Goinheix]

June 14 of 29 AD was a tue and its julian day #1731815

apr 25 of 31 AD was a Wed and its julian day #1732495

Julian Day and Date Time Calculator

So what?

 

[Goinheix]

jesus did die at 3pm and the darknes hapens from 12noon until 3pm. That have been very clear in this thread. Then, any possible Lunar eclipse hapening between 6pm and 9pm has nothing to do with the darkness.

Also jesus was before pilates by noon and crucified next morning by 9am

You keep avoiding the main issue.

 

[granpa]

Goinheix you seem convinced that I am engaged in an argument with you.
You couldnt be more wrong.
In fact I have you on my ignore list.
I have had you on my ignore list for 6 months

I am posting these things because others might find them useful

 

[Goinheix]

Goinheix you seem convinced that I am engaged in an argument with you.
You couldnt be more wrong.
In fact I have you on my ignore list.
I have had you on my ignore list for 6 months

I am posting these things because others might find them useful

I understand why you have me in your ignore list; because you dont want I told you how wrong you are. And offcourse you dont want to argument with me, because you are out of argument.

And be sure that I will continue posting for the others not to be confuse with all your lies. Believe me that I will stand here to bring light over your darkness.

 

[Goinheix]

Wow. I cant believe this never occurred to me before.

john 19:14 says Pilate sat in the place called the pavement at the 6th hour. Thats noon.
Then Jesus was led away to be crucified.
According to Mark Jesus was crucified at the 3rd hour. Thats 3pm.
(He cant have been crucified before he was led away)

There was darkness from the 6th to the 9th hour.
The 6th hour that he was on the cross would be 9pm.
The 9th hour that he was on the cross would be 12midnight.
(Midnight is the hour the angel of death passed throughout Epypt).

Apr 35 of the year 31 had a partial lunar eclipse lasting from 20:00 to 00:30.
(well after sunset)

there was also a total eclipse on june 14 of 29 but that would be too late in the year for passover.
(unless they had a very long winter)

Javascript Lunar Eclipse Explorer for ASIA

All wrong

3rd hours is 9am
6th hour is 12noon
9th hour is 3pm

That has been proven out of any question. Insisting on that is already a lie and the intentions is to decieve the brothers. This thread is wrong from the very beggining, have change into alie, and there is not reason to continue with it.