• Starting today August 7th, 2024, in order to post in the Married Couples, Courting Couples, or Singles forums, you will not be allowed to post if you have your Marital status designated as private. Announcements will be made in the respective forums as well but please note that if yours is currently listed as Private, you will need to submit a ticket in the Support Area to have yours changed.

Lunar eclipse from 6th-9th hour, after a 3pm crucifixion, would be 9-12midnight

Status
Not open for further replies.

granpa

Noahide/Rationalist
Apr 23, 2007
2,518
68
California
✟3,072.00
Gender
Male
Faith
Buddhist
Marital Status
Private
your trolling is getting quite abusive.
if it isnt against forum rules then it should be.

you have flooded this thread with your nonsense.
you repeatedly ask the same question over and over and over again while completely ignoring everything that I say.
you have repeatedly misrepresented what I say.
you have repeatedly accused me of believing things that I have never even heard of.
(like natal charts and letters from pilate)
 
Last edited:
Upvote 0

granpa

Noahide/Rationalist
Apr 23, 2007
2,518
68
California
✟3,072.00
Gender
Male
Faith
Buddhist
Marital Status
Private
yet again you misrepresent what I wrote (probably hoping that I wont correct you)

I never said they were wrong.
I even pointed you to the original greek so you could see what they actually wrote.

they all wrote "already evening having become"

these links are also in the op
 
Last edited:
Upvote 0

PaladinValer

Traditional Orthodox Anglican
Apr 7, 2004
23,587
1,245
44
Myrtle Beach, SC
✟30,305.00
Faith
Anglican
Marital Status
Single
Politics
US-Others
They left bodies hanging on the crosses all the time back then. That was part of the punishment.

Crucifixion usually lasted hours...sometimes even days. Those that lasted over a day would have been left there. Furthermore, sometimes even those who finally expired would be left on the cross to be used as an example.

And again, my objections remain. There is no argument you have; it is based on psuedohistory and false knowledge.
 
Upvote 0

Goinheix

Well-Known Member
Dec 23, 2010
1,617
31
Montevideo Uruguay
✟2,018.00
Faith
Baptist
Marital Status
Married
I even pointed you to the original greek so you could see what they actually wrote.

they all wrote "already evening having become"

Evening is afternoon, late in the afternoon. For your information a Jew day do not commence at sunset but when the first star/planet is visible. That is during the first minutes of the afternoon twilight. Jesus was carried out to the sepulcre by evening, when still was the preparation day.

Mark
beacuse it was the preparation, the day before the sabbath

Luke
and that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on

John
because of the jew´s preparation day

Do you read "preparation" in the greek text? Isnt preparation the day before sabbath? Jesus was not placed in the sepulcre the sabbath before daybreak. He was not placed in the tumb on any hour of sabbath. It was the preparation day; the day before sabbath.

http://www.christianforums.com/t7569681/
 
Upvote 0

PaladinValer

Traditional Orthodox Anglican
Apr 7, 2004
23,587
1,245
44
Myrtle Beach, SC
✟30,305.00
Faith
Anglican
Marital Status
Single
Politics
US-Others
you are free to believe whatever you want.

I am not forcing my beliefs on anyone.

I believe in what is verified by fact. Why believe in anything else?

The secular is not the opposite of the sacred. The sacrilgious is.

Secular knowledge isn't opposite to truth. It is a part of truth. Just because a person brings up something secular in a religious discussion doesn't mean a lack of faith.

It is a fact that the Jews marked the beginning of the day at the sun's setting. It is a fact that the Romans marked the beginning of the day at the sun's rising. These are facts, not opinions; anyone who cares to do a little research of primary resources will see that it is so. Couple that with the information I gave above on the timeline of Jesus' crucifixion to his resurrection and everything makes sense. Your's, unfortunately, rejects the premises and therefore is not only illogical but outright impossible.

Again, this is fact. There are no emotions involved. There is no faith involved. It simply is how it works out. To deny it is to object only to orthodox Christianity but also to deny proven undeniable fact and try to replace it with a fabrication; in other words, a conspiracy theory.
 
Upvote 0

ManyAreCalled

New Member
Nov 19, 2012
2
0
✟22,612.00
Faith
Non-Denom
I've read through the whole thing and I actually signed up to post on this topic.


You guys kept bringing up the same thing saying when the Crucifixion started/ended/Jesus's body put in a tomb.

Why not start at the end and work your way BACK to see where it ends up? You know in math you divide the work you multiply to see if it's the same result or vice versa? Look-

"For just as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth." Matt 12:40

Mark 16:9- "[Now when he rose early on the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, from whom he had cast out seven demons."

As to what "early" means- Look at what the greek says.

(I can't post links yet but here it is - blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G4404&t=KJV"

So what was the "first day of the week"? and let's count BACKWARDS 3 nights and three days. I'm bad with the Jewish day/thing so can somebody do this part?

I guess also it depends whether the "morning" of His raising up counted toward the 3 day thing or not. Basically, did he wake up after the fourth watch or when the fourth watch started on the first day of the week?

Isn't the first day of the week = monday?
 
Upvote 0

ManyAreCalled

New Member
Nov 19, 2012
2
0
✟22,612.00
Faith
Non-Denom
Anyway he realize quick that if Jesus rose on a sunday, there's no possible way He died on a friday. Because that would be fri night, sat morn (one day), sat night, sun morn (two days) Not three at all. It'd have to be thursday.

If Jesus died on thursday it'd be sunday afternoon he'd of been raised correct? So if Jesus died on a wednesday he'd be raised on a saturday...? no?
 
Upvote 0

granpa

Noahide/Rationalist
Apr 23, 2007
2,518
68
California
✟3,072.00
Gender
Male
Faith
Buddhist
Marital Status
Private
Ok. Lets go back and see what the op says:

 
Upvote 0

Mr.SteveSir

Newbie
Jun 7, 2011
27
4
✟15,173.00
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married

Some scholars have speculated that the Jewish leaders had called for a special Sabbath on the Friday prior to the Passover Sabbath, which means Jesus would have been crucified on Thursday. Thus Thursday, Friday, and Saturday; and Thursday, Friday and Saturday night in the tomb. I think the main thing to remember is that Jesus died, was buried, and then rose from the dead. The day on which He was crucified is less important.
 
Upvote 0

pshun2404

Newbie
Jan 26, 2012
6,027
620
✟86,400.00
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Married
He died around 3 pm on what we would call Friday day but for them it was the day before the 7th day Sabbath which begins on our Friday evening. so He was in the tomb on the day of the 6th day, spent all day of the 7th day Sabbath, and rose early in the morning (after the evening) of the 8th day. By inclusive reckoning (as the Hebrews counted time) any part of a day can be called a day (like remember the day we went to the baseball game? This refers to a part of the day not the whole 24 hour period. So Jesus died and buried on day 6, laid in the tomb all of day 7, and rose after the evening portion in the early morning of day 8 (which is a 1st day). That is your three days and it is not necessary therefore for Him to have been crucified on Thursday (days 4 and 5 in the Hebrew reckoning)

Paul
 
Upvote 0
Status
Not open for further replies.