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Luke 16:26 and the great "chasm/gulf".

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Luke 16:26 And upon all of these between us and ye a great chasm hath been established so that those willing to cross-over/diabhnai <1224> (5629) hence toward ye no may be able, neither thence toward us may be ferrying/diaperwsin <1276> (5725)

Hebrews 11:29 By Faith They crossed-over/diebhsan <1224> (5627) the Red Sea as thru Dry, which the Egyptians assaying to do were drowned.

I found this interesting concerning the hebrew word for "hebrews".
The word appears to mean "cross over" and that is the word used Luke 16:26 concerning that great chasm.....

http://www.christianforums.com/t7586258/#post58341010

Who were the Hebrews?

Is Abraham the first Hebrew? The Hebrew word for a "Hebrew" person is [SIZE=+1]&#1506;&#1489;&#1512;&#1497;[/SIZE] (eevriy) and comes from the root word [SIZE=+1]&#1506;&#1489;&#1512;[/SIZE] (ever) which means "to cross over." A Hebrew is "one who has crossed over."

The name of one of Abraham's ancestors was [SIZE=+1]&#1506;&#1489;&#1512;[/SIZE] (ever - Genesis 11:16, written as Eber in English translations). This name also comes from the same root word making it highly possible that Eber is the father (progenitor) of the eevriy (Hebrew) people.
 
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I found this interesting concerning the hebrew word for "hebrews".
The word appears to mean "cross over" and that is the word used Luke 16:26 concerning that great chasm.....

http://www.christianforums.com/t7586258/#post58341010

Who were the Hebrews?

Is Abraham the first Hebrew? The Hebrew word for a "Hebrew" person is [SIZE=+1]&#1506;&#1489;&#1512;&#1497;[/SIZE] (eevriy) and comes from the root word [SIZE=+1]&#1506;&#1489;&#1512;[/SIZE] (ever) which means "to cross over." A Hebrew is "one who has crossed over."

The name of one of Abraham's ancestors was [SIZE=+1]&#1506;&#1489;&#1512;[/SIZE] (ever - Genesis 11:16, written as Eber in English translations). This name also comes from the same root word making it highly possible that Eber is the father (progenitor) of the eevriy (Hebrew) people.

What stands out in my mind after reading this, is that God called Abram "out of" his family, his land. This indicates that perhaps Abram's father was not the first Hebrew. In studying on this, it seems that Abram was possibly the first Hebrew, when he was re-named "Abraham" by God.

Intriguing study.
 
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hmm .. all is one .. so the chasm is the result of the rich man's perception that he was better than lazarus . his suffering is a result of not loving his neighbour . but all is still one .. hmm ..
The rich man does appear to have some company, as Jesus uses the plural "ye" in vs 26
Most translations use "you" implying a single person, but the greek is plural in this verse :)

http://www.olivetree.com/cgi-bin/EnglishBible.htm

KJV) Luke 16:26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that [would come] from thence.

NASB) Luke 16:26 `And besides all this, between us and you there is a great chasm fixed, so that those who wish to come over from here to you will not be able, and that none may cross over from there to us.'

T-R) Luke 16:26 And upon all of these between us and ye a great chasm hath been established so that those willing to cross-over/diabhnai <1224> (5629) hence toward ye no may be able, neither thence toward us may be ferrying/diaperwsin <1276> (5725)

Greek NT - Textus Rec.) Luke 16:26 kai epi pasin toutoiV metaxu hmwn kai umwn casma mega esthriktai opwV oi qelonteV diabhnai enteuqen proV umaV mh dunwntai mhde oi ekeiqen proV hmaV diaperwsin
 
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What stands out in my mind after reading this, is that God called Abram "out of" his family, his land. This indicates that perhaps Abram's father was not the first Hebrew. In studying on this, it seems that Abram was possibly the first Hebrew, when he was re-named "Abraham" by God.

Intriguing study.
Thank you for input and that appears to be a correct assessment dear sister in Christ
 
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I have a rather lenghthy study on this, what I call "Covenantle" parable in Luke 16.

There is an interesting greek word used here that is only found this 1 time in the NT/NC.

How do others here view this "great chasm" shown in Luke 16:26?.

I am thinking the english rendering of this word is more from the transliterated greek word "casma".

Thanks for any response.

Luke 16:26 And upon all of these between us and ye a great chasm/casma <5490> hath been established. So that those willing to cross-over hence toward ye no may be able, neither thence toward us may be ferrying

Textus Rec.) Luke 16:26 kai epi pasin toutoiV metaxu hmwn kai umwn casma mega esthriktai opwV oi qelonteV diabhnai *enteuqen proV umaV mh dunwntai mhde oi ekeiqen proV hmaV diaperwsin

Strong's Number G5490 matches the Greek &#967;&#8049;&#963;&#956;&#945; (chasma), which occurs 1 time in 1 verse in the Greek concordance of the KJV

5490. chasma khas'-mah from a form of an obsolete primary chao (to "gape" or "yawn"); a "chasm" or vacancy (impassable interval):--gulf.

The 'chasm' you refer to is also this:

Matthew 12:43

When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none.

Luke 11:24

When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest; and finding none, he saith, I will return unto my house whence I came out.

These unclean, wicked evil spirits lose their habitations with 'man,' their 'house' when the man dies or that evil spirit is 'displaced.' It then seeks another habitation 'in man.' It does not 'cross over' to Heaven, ever.


These 'evil spirits' often seek to go back to 'the man' from whom they were displaced as there was a previous breach for them to enter in, and that weakness 'in man' in that man's 'house' can be more easily entered again, making that man even more wicked than before, as the evil spirit will take others with itself in the assault attempt to recapture that habitation.


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The 'chasm' you refer to is also this:

Matthew 12:43
When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none.

Luke 11:24
When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest; and finding none, he saith, I will return unto my house whence I came out.

These unclean, wicked evil spirits lose their habitations with 'man,' their 'house' when the man dies or that evil spirit is 'displaced.' It then seeks another habitation 'in man.' It does not 'cross over' to Heaven, ever.

These 'evil spirits' often seek to go back to 'the man' from whom they were displaced as there was a previous breach for them to enter in, and that weakness 'in man' in that man's 'house' can be more easily entered again, making that man even more wicked than before, as the evil spirit will take others with itself in the assault attempt to recapture that habitation.

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Good post and thks for those verses
 
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Seems to me that the verse explains it.

The bolded part says that the "gulf" is there so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.

Luke 16:26
And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence. KJV
 
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Seems to me that the verse explains it.

The bolded part says that the "gulf" is there so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.

Luke 16:26
And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence. KJV
What is the great gulf symbolizing to you and others?
That is what the thread is about. Thanks

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What is the great gulf symbolizing to you and others?
That is what the thread is about. Thanks

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Luke 16:26(NKJV)
26And besides all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed, so that those who want to pass from here to you cannot, nor can those from there pass to us.&#8217;

the great gulf is eternal life.


Revelation 20:6(NKJV)
6Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.

the second death has no "power" over those that are born of the spirit for they have received life everlasting.

so those who have life everlasting cannot die and those who deserve death will remain dead throughout all eternity!

there's no passing back and forth! (last part of the verse)
 
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Who are symbolizing the "US" and "YE" in vs 26?

http://www.christianforums.com/t7436472-4/#post54015375

Luke 16:26 And upon all of these between us and ye a great chasm hath been established.
So that those willing to cross-over hence toward ye no may be able,
neither thence toward us may be ferrying
 
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Who are symbolizing the "US" and "YE" in vs 26?

http://www.christianforums.com/t7436472-4/#post54015375

Luke 16:26 And upon all of these between us and ye a great chasm hath been established.
So that those willing to cross-over hence toward ye no may be able,
neither thence toward us may be ferrying


I believe the chasm is The firmament/Heaven which divides which is put in the midst of us, Until they become one "Within you".

Soul and Spirit, Carnal and Spiritual, Old and New, waters and waters.
The us and ye, is Division, UNTIL............The Two become ONE In The Christ.


Gen 1:6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
Gen 1:7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
Gen 1:8 And God called the firmament Heaven.


Blessings
 
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I believe the chasm is The firmament/Heaven which divides which is put in the midst of us, Until they become one "Within you".

Soul and Spirit, Carnal and Spiritual, Old and New, waters and waters.
The us and ye, is Division, UNTIL............The Two become ONE In The Christ.


Gen 1:6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
Gen 1:7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
Gen 1:8 And God called the firmament Heaven.


Blessings
That is a very interesting perspective! Thanks for posting that.


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I have a rather lenghthy study on this, what I call "Covenantle" parable in Luke 16.

There is an interesting greek word used here that is only found this 1 time in the NT/NC.

How do others here view this "great chasm" shown in Luke 16:26?.

I am thinking the english rendering of this word is more from the transliterated greek word "casma".

Thanks for any response.

Luke 16:26 And upon all of these between us and ye a great chasm/casma <5490> hath been established. So that those willing to cross-over hence toward ye no may be able, neither thence toward us may be ferrying

Textus Rec.) Luke 16:26 kai epi pasin toutoiV metaxu hmwn kai umwn casma mega esthriktai opwV oi qelonteV diabhnai *enteuqen proV umaV mh dunwntai mhde oi ekeiqen proV hmaV diaperwsin

Strong's Number G5490 matches the Greek &#967;&#8049;&#963;&#956;&#945; (chasma), which occurs 1 time in 1 verse in the Greek concordance of the KJV

5490. chasma khas'-mah from a form of an obsolete primary chao (to "gape" or "yawn"); a "chasm" or vacancy (impassable interval):--gulf.
The way I understand it, the area between me & a piece of bacon is a distance. Put my brother-in-law between me & that piece of bacon & the area becomes a chasm.;)
 
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Originally Posted by LittleLambofJesus I have a rather lenghthy study on this, what I call "Covenantle" parable in Luke 16.
The way I understand it, the area between me & a piece of bacon is a distance. Put my brother-in-law between me & that piece of bacon & the area becomes a chasm.;)
The same thing when it comes to a large triple meat italian and pork sausage, pepperoni with double cheese.
Tis also the pizza of choice for Obama :)

20090911-Obama-Pizza.jpg



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As for the great gulf, I would say is death itself, from the law. But I never thought about that one much. Good question though. The reason I say death itself, is because of this.
Concerning the resurrection......
Mat 22:31 But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying,
32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.
33 And when the multitude heard this, they were astonished at his doctrine.

Also corresponding to the eternal nature of the ORDER of Christ as our high priest.

1 For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;
4 Now consider how great this man was, unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils.

2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all;

6 But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises.
7 And without all contradiction the less is blessed of the better.
8 And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.
24 But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood.
25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

And as for the covenant.

Take note of what is spoken to Abraham personally, in the 1st covenant in verse .
12 ¶ And when the sun was going down, a deep sleep fell upon Abram; and, lo, an horror of great darkness fell upon him.
13 And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years;
14 And also that nation, whom they shall serve, will I judge: and afterward shall they come out with great substance.
15 And thou shalt go to thy fathers in peace; thou shalt be buried in a good old age.
16 But in the fourth generation they shall come hither again: for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet full.
17 ¶ And it came to pass, that, when the sun went down, and it was dark, behold a smoking furnace, and a burning lamp that passed between those pieces.
18 In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land,

Abraham was told he was going to die. The promise of his in heritance in the land HAD ALWAYS BEEN AFTER HE HAD DIED.
Therefore Abe, Isaac, and Jacob and Joseph all looked to the resurrection to attain the promises. For the inheritance that was to the seed in this life was to the 4th Generation.
Very very interesting!
That covenantle parable is also about the resurrection :)

Lazarus and the Rich Man - Here a little, there a little - Commentary

LUKE 16:
30 "And he said, 'No, father Abraham; but if one goes to them from the dead, they will repent.'
31 But he said to him, 'If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead.' "

Yeshua uses the last two verses of this parable as an amazing prophecy of his pending resurrection from the dead. The rich man says that although his brothers may not accept the scriptural evidence for the identity of the Messiah, they will accept the evidence of one who is raised from the dead.
But Abraham answers and plainly tells him that anyone who rejects the Bible's teaching about the Messiah will also refuse to acknowledge the evidence of a miraculous resurrection.

This last verse is a sad prophecy about the Jews who, despite God's resurrection of His son from the power of the grave, have failed to recognize Yeshua as the prophesied Messiah.
Yeshua ends this parable abruptly, with no real resolution presented. The picture presented is a bleak one, yet there is hope for the Jews and for all Israel. In Romans 11, Paul laid out that hope in such a manner that scarcely few today have really believed it.








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Very very interesting!
That covenantle parable is also about the resurrection :)

Lazarus and the Rich Man - Here a little, there a little - Commentary



Yeshua uses the last two verses of this parable as an amazing prophecy of his pending resurrection from the dead. The rich man says that although his brothers may not accept the scriptural evidence for the identity of the Messiah, they will accept the evidence of one who is raised from the dead.
But Abraham answers and plainly tells him that anyone who rejects the Bible's teaching about the Messiah will also refuse to acknowledge the evidence of a miraculous resurrection.

This last verse is a sad prophecy about the Jews who, despite God's resurrection of His son from the power of the grave, have failed to recognize Yeshua as the prophesied Messiah.
Yeshua ends this parable abruptly, with no real resolution presented. The picture presented is a bleak one, yet there is hope for the Jews and for all Israel. In Romans 11, Paul laid out that hope in such a manner that scarcely few today have really believed it.








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LUKE 16:
30 "And he said, 'No, father Abraham; but if one goes to them from the dead, they will repent.'
31 But he said to him, 'If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead.' "

just noticed...the "dead" are conscious and still aware.
 
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It's there so that Lazarus can't comply with the rich man's request.
What was the sin of the rich man that put him in Hades in the first place?

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ABRAHAM'S BOSOM

The parable of the rich man and Lazarus is without question one of the least understood of all the teachings of our Lord. What is its aim? It is a similitude of something; for all the parables are similitudes, even though, like the parables of the prodigal son, and the unjust steward, both of which are in direct connection with this one, they are uttered like simple narratives, always beginning with, "A certain man," or "There was a certain man."
Of what, then, is this parable the similitude? Whom does the rich man represent? Who is the poor neglected beggar full of sores, lying at the rich man's gate?

Both the connection of the parable, and its particulars throughout, show that its awful warning is addressed to those who in Christ's day enjoyed the greatest privileges. Observe the particulars respecting the rich man. He was one of Abraham's seed, one who even in hell could not forget his election, but still cried, "Father! Abraham." He was "clothed in purple and fine linen, "the raiment of the Kingdom, and, as a child of the Kingdom, he "fared sumptuously every day."
Who is this man? The rich man in this parable represents the Jewish nation, the house of Judah, and particularly their leaders who embody and personify the spirit and character of the nation. This rich man, in torment, calls Abraham, FATHER. Abraham also recognized such a relationship for he speaks to the rich man as SON. "Son, remember..."








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John 8:21
Then said Jesus again unto them, I go my way, and ye shall seek me, and shall die in your sins: whither I go, ye cannot come.

John 8:22
Then said the Jews, Will he kill himself? because he saith, Whither I go, ye cannot come.


John 13:33
Little children, yet a little while I am with you. Ye shall seek me: and as I said unto the Jews, Whither I go, ye cannot come; so now I say to you.

Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Life; as Jesus is also our Passover from death to Life, from flesh to Spirit, from the earthly to the heavenly.

Which is also why Jesus said to his disciples in John 13:36;"Whither I go thou canst not follow me now; but thou shalt follow me afterwards."
 
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