Luke 13:3 being ripped out of context to teach Repent Of Your Sins

[PastorKeith]

No sense maintaining my repentance from doing drugs then.
I think it a mistake to tie your identity to Christ, if you are not obeying Christ.

Why don't you obey Christ? The Bible says if you don't obey him, you don't love him.

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

Jesus had the same temptations we do.
And like we can, since His resurrection, He resisted the temptations.

If one repents from digging a hole, they quit digging the hole.

I asked if you think Jesus had evil thoughts. And the reason I asked is that Jesus told us that evil thoughts defile all of us. Mark 7:21-23

Do you think Jesus had defiling evil thoughts?

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

1. who's "we"?
2. what exactly did you observe?
3. what do you mean by "accounting for our adversary"?
4. what do you mean by "equations"?
5. why haven't you asked any questions about this before?

It appears to me that you find it impossible to answer what I said previously, and so your strategy is to deflect and confuse. If you wish to continue this conversation, then please clarify your point.

1 You and me and of course the adversary is in the picture for everyone
2 Sin is of the devil. Where is your accounting?
3 Mark 4:15, real or not?
4 It's called logic/reasoning. IF all have sin, and sin is of the devil, then the devil is in the equations of sin
5. Regarding the topic matter, zero forms of repentance makes anyone sinless. Kind of basic on several counts, really

It's entirely possible in theology for 2 entirely opposite positions to be fully true, simultaneously.

Sins are not counted against people, 2 Cor 5:19. This of course doesn't make anyone sinless because there is another party to sin in the pictures of sin. Our mutual adversary. We all suffer the actions of the adversary, which are essentially, defiling evil/lawless thoughts. Mark 4:15, Mark 7:21-23, Romans 7:7-13

So sins are both counted and not counted

 

[tdidymas]

Of course I fall short of Jesus, but that has zero to do with my identity. Or yours.

We're sinners and saints at the same time, as you just admitted. Jesus is the "mark" and sin is "missing the mark." Jesus is God's glory, and you fall short, which is how sin is defined in Rom. 3:23. Saying you're a sinner doesn't make you ONLY a sinner. Hopefully saying you're a saint makes you keep trying to hit the mark, and saying you're a sinner doesn't make you deliberately miss the mark. Some people deliberately miss the mark and claim they're "just being honest," which is merely an excuse for sinning. If we miss the mark by accident, because we're trying to hit the mark, we're still being saints. Would you agree with that?

 

[tdidymas]

If you could be perfectly obedient to God, would you ?

"The body is dead because of sin" - I try to be perfectly obedient every day through faith. But I also face the reality that sin is still present. In the resurrection when we are glorified, our obedience will always be perfect. As long as we are in this world, "we all stumble in many ways."

After 50 years of living the Christian life, I've observed all too many times that when people assume they are being "perfectly obedient" to God, they can't ever admit they're wrong, nor even question what they do. And if anyone questions them, they react offendedly, as if to say "you blasphemer." Self-righteousness is an inclination for everyone who claims they are sinless, because they still live in mortal human flesh and in a sinful and self-righteous world.

So whenever you claim that you ALWAYS live by the Spirit, even in times of trouble, trial, tribulation, and adversity, I don't believe you.

 

[Jan001]

Jesus clearly states that few go to heaven. This means it takes much more than simply "accepting Jesus as your Lord and Savior" to be worthy to enter into eternal life.

 

[PastorKeith]

We're sinners and saints at the same time, as you just admitted. Jesus is the "mark" and sin is "missing the mark." Jesus is God's glory, and you fall short, which is how sin is defined in Rom. 3:23. Saying you're a sinner doesn't make you ONLY a sinner. Hopefully saying you're a saint makes you keep trying to hit the mark, and saying you're a sinner doesn't make you deliberately miss the mark. Some people deliberately miss the mark and claim they're "just being honest," which is merely an excuse for sinning. If we miss the mark by accident, because we're trying to hit the mark, we're still being saints. Would you agree with that?

We are saints either way, because when Jesus died on the cross, we were Justified (declared not guilty) for ALL of our sin, past present and future.

Our Sainthood has nothing to do with our actions.

 

[Jan001]

We are saints either way, because when Jesus died on the cross, we were Justified (declared not guilty) for ALL of our sin, past present and future.

Our Sainthood has nothing to do with our actions.

Jesus will judge us when we die. This is how he says he will judge us:

Matthew 25:31-46

John 5:28-30

Our sainthood or lack of sainthood depends upon our own personal choices.

Yes, Jesus died to pay the blood-guilt price of all of our sins, past, present, and future.

When we are baptized as commanded by Jesus in Matthew 28:18-20, this baptism forgives/atones for Adam's sin which is on all human souls at the time of conception. This same baptism also forgives/atones for all of own own sins which are on our own souls at the time of our baptism. This is our one and only get-out-of-hell-free opportunity. After our baptism, we will then each pay for all the consequences for our own sins.

 

[PastorKeith]

Jesus will judge us when we die. This is how he says he will judge us:

Matthew 25:31-46

John 5:28-30

Our sainthood or lack of sainthood depends upon our own personal choices.

Yes, Jesus died to pay the blood-guilt price of all of our sins, past, present, and future.

When we are baptized as commanded by Jesus in Matthew 28:18-20, this baptism forgives/atones for Adam's sin which is on all human souls at the time of conception. This same baptism also forgives/atones for all of own own sins which are on our own souls at the time of our baptism. This is our one and only get-out-of-hell-free opportunity. After our baptism, we will then each pay for all the consequences for our own sins.

Wow what a heretical view of scripture.

Baptism has ZERO to do with forgiveness of sins. If you think you will pay consequences for all of your sins after your baptism, then you do not believe in the Jesus of the Bible.

 

[Cockcrow]

Jesus clearly states that few go to heaven. This means it takes much more than simply "accepting Jesus as your Lord and Savior" to be worthy to enter into eternal life.

Just because few go to heaven doesnt mean its hard to go to heaven, the majority of people in this world believe in a works based salvation, that is why few are going. not because its hard to be saved.

 

[tdidymas]

We are saints either way, because when Jesus died on the cross, we were Justified (declared not guilty) for ALL of our sin, past present and future.

Our Sainthood has nothing to do with our actions.

Actions speak louder than words. A person proves he is a saint by the actions of good deeds. "Not everyone who calls Me 'Lord' shall enter the kingdom of heaven." "Why do you call Me 'Lord, Lord' and do not do what I say?" "He who hates his brother is in darkness until now." "Faith without works is dead."

The reformed response to the cry of "antinomianism" is: we are justified by faith alone, but not by a faith that is alone." IOW, justification is by faith apart from works, but that faith in Christ in which righteousness is imputed is also a faith that produces the works of Christ. Anyone who claims they believe in Christ, but don't follow what He said, is not someone who is justified. Those who are justified by faith are those whose faith motivates them to follow Jesus and obey what He said. This is what James 2 is all about.

Therefore, when you claim "sainthood has nothing to do with our actions," It just seems to me you don't know what you're talking about. James is clear about actions showing who we belong to, as well as 1 John, as well as 1&2 Peter, Jude, and scattered throughout the epistles of Paul. "If you live according to the flesh, you shall die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the flesh, you will live." "Be not deceived, God is not mocked; whatsoever a man sows, that shall he also reap; if you sow to the flesh, you shall from the flesh reap corruption; but if you sow to the Spirit, you shall from the Spirit reap everlasting life."

So then, anyone who has faith in Christ without works does not know he is saved until he is doing the works that Jesus and His apostles commanded to do. Doing the good works not only is proof of who we belong to, but it also brings healing to the soul and (by the Spirit) sanctifying character to a person's life. Indeed, the good works done must be done by faith in God, not under the assumption that one is doing those works on their own. This is the point of faith and working out one's salvation with fear and trembling - that God is at work in us to will and do His good pleasure. (Phil. 2:12-13)

Therefore, faith in Christ is not without a full attachment of works that follows, and it is by those works that we are known to be saints. But this response of yours begs a question: are you a universalist? Do you think that everyone is justified by Jesus dying on the cross? Or do you believe that only those who have faith in Christ are justified? And then, what kind of faith are you talking about?

 

[PastorKeith]

Therefore, when you claim "sainthood has nothing to do with our actions," It just seems to me you don't know what you're talking about.

You, on your own can NEVER be a saint. It is only the finished work of Christ on the Cross that allows Paul to call you a Saint. Your BEST works are like filthy rags onto the Lord. Just accept what the Bible teaches and move along.

 

[PastorKeith]

But this response of yours begs a question: are you a universalist? Do you think that everyone is justified by Jesus dying on the cross? Or do you believe that only those who have faith in Christ are justified? And then, what kind of faith are you talking about?

Keep your titles for yourself, I just live what the Bible teaches. How many good works did the thief on the cross perform? Was he a saint? Works are a by-product not a qualification. Sainthood has nothing to do with what we've done. If Jesus never died on the cross, you think you can do good works and become a saint? Absurd

 

[Jan001]

Wow what a heretical view of scripture.

Baptism has ZERO to do with forgiveness of sins. If you think you will pay consequences for all of your sins after your baptism, then you do not believe in the Jesus of the Bible.

The Jesus of the Bible and his apostles teach that it is the baptism commanded by Jesus Christ in Matthew 28:18-20 which forgives sin.

Acts 2:38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

James 3:1 Not many of you should become teachers, my fellow believers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly.

 

[Jan001]

Just because few go to heaven doesnt mean its hard to go to heaven, the majority of people in this world believe in a works based salvation, that is why few are going. not because its hard to be saved.

How does Jesus judge us?

Jesus emphatically states that he will judge us by our own works.

Fans of Jesus Christ do not enter into eternal life. Followers of Jesus Christ do enter into eternal life. When we obey God's commandments, we are called followers of Jesus Christ. Philippians 2:8

Luke 6:46 Why do you call me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say?


Matthew 19:15-19 Just then a man came up to Jesus and asked, “Teacher what, good thing must I do to get eternal life?”

17 “Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.”

18 “Which ones?” he inquired.

Jesus replied, “‘You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, 19 honor your father and mother,’ and ‘love your neighbor as yourself.’

We must keep God's commandments until we die if we want to be judged (by Jesus Christ) to be worthy to enter into eternal life.

This is why so few people go to heaven. They are not faithful in obedience to God's commandments until they die. They fall away from the faith of Jesus due to their own sins against his commandments.

If people don't keep God's commandments, they will indeed end up in hell. Of course, if a person sins, he can repent of his sin and thereby be re-instated as an adopted son or daughter of God.

 

[Cockcrow]

How does Jesus judge us?

Jesus emphatically states that he will judge us by our own works.

Fans of Jesus Christ do not enter into eternal life. Followers of Jesus Christ do enter into eternal life. When we obey God's commandments, we are called followers of Jesus Christ. Philippians 2:8

Luke 6:46 Why do you call me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say?


Matthew 19:15-19 Just then a man came up to Jesus and asked, “Teacher what, good thing must I do to get eternal life?”

17 “Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.”

18 “Which ones?” he inquired.

Jesus replied, “‘You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, 19 honor your father and mother,’ and ‘love your neighbor as yourself.’

We must keep God's commandments until we die if we want to be judged (by Jesus Christ) to be worthy to enter into eternal life.

This is why so few people go to heaven. They are not faithful in obedience to God's commandments until they die. They fall away from the faith of Jesus due to their own sins against his commandments.

If people don't keep God's commandments, they will indeed end up in hell. Of course, if a person sins, he can repent of his sin and thereby be re-instated as an adopted son or daughter of God.

the unsaved will be judged by their works at the great white throne. and all will come short.

 

[Dan Perez]

Jesus clearly states that few go to heaven. This means it takes much more than simply "accepting Jesus as your Lord and Savior" to be worthy to enter into eternal life.

I would sure like to see that says that few will go tom heaven ?

dan p

 

[Jan001]

the unsaved will be judged by their works at the great white throne. and all will come short.

Every human being, both saved and unsaved, will be judged by their works at the great white throne/sheep and goats judgment. The judgment is called by two different names. It is the same judgment.

2 Corinthians 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may receive good or evil, according to what he has done in the body.

Matthew 7:19 Every tree (person) that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.

 

[Jan001]

I would sure like to see that says that few will go tom heaven ?

dan p

Luke 13:22-27 Then Jesus went through the towns and villages, teaching as he made his way to Jerusalem. 23 Someone asked him, “Lord, are only a few people going to be saved?”
He said to them, 24 “Make every effort to enter through the narrow door, because many, I tell you, will try to enter and will not be able to. 25 Once the owner of the house gets up and closes the door, you will stand outside knocking and pleading, ‘Sir, open the door for us.’
“But he will answer, ‘I don’t know you or where you come from.’
26 “Then you will say, ‘We ate and drank with you, and you taught in our streets.’
27 “But he will reply, ‘I don’t know you or where you come from. Away from me, all you evildoers!’



Matthew 7:13-14 Enter by the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is easy, that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. 14 For the gate is narrow and the way is hard, that leads to life, and those who find it are few.

 

[Hoping2]

Why don't you obey Christ?

I do obey Christ.

The Bible says if you don't obey him, you don't love him.

That's right.
If our identity is NOT tied to what we do, how can what we do be judged on the last day ?