Luke 13:3 being ripped out of context to teach Repent Of Your Sins

[Dan Perez]

Luke 13:2-4 And Jesus answering said unto them, Suppose ye that these Galilaeans were sinners above all the Galilaeans, because they suffered such things? I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish. Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them, think ye that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem?"
It says ye will all likewise perish, what is the likewise? a tower falling on their head. Nothing here about going to hell, perish there does not mean to go to hell, it is talking about turning from a building falling on their head. It is talking about physical perishing, not losing your eternal life due to sinning too much. It is false to take Luke 13:3 out of context to falsely teach repent of your sins to be saved.

The first time repent is mentioned in the bible it is God repented. God repented over 30 times and he has no sin, so in order to get the definition of what we must repent of, you must look at the context. no verse in the bible says Repent of your sins to be saved from hell. it doesn't exist. People can only rip verses like this out of context and try to apply that perish there means hell when that is not what Jesus was saying. Don't put words in Jesus mouth but repent of your sins people add "repent of your sins to be saved" to Jesus mouth when he said no such thing

Exodus 13:17 And it came to pass, when Pharaoh had let the people go, that God led them not through the way of the land of the Philistines, although that was near; for God said, Lest peradventure the people repent when they see war, and they return to Egypt:" Here is an example of a bad repentance, God didnt want them to repent here, see repent means to turn. And to know what to turn from you must look at the context. And not rip verses like "except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish" that is not a correct way to use the word of God at all. We are saved by grace not works.

Why am I so persistent about this repent of your sins thing? Because people are going to hell it is a horrible thing that people are being led astray taught a false gospel that they must turn from all of their sins to make it to heaven, when the true gospel is Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved.

A lot of people are going to hell thinking they will be in heaven because they believe they turned from their sins + believe, but thats damnable. you cannot add works to salvation. Its a smooth criminal works salvation, the way they sneak it in. it isvery serious, that if people would simply read their bibles cover to cover King James, all of this could be avoided but instead they want to listen to preachers get up and say stuff that is not in the bible like "repent of your sins to be saved" well maybe if enough people repeat it, then it will become true, no my friend the eternal word of God is the only truth, the final authority and you will not find "repent of your sins to be saved" cover to cover. Its faith alone my friend. the entire book, its faith alone in Christ to be saved. nothing else, you cannot add to that.

Galatians 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.”

And Acts 5:329-39 will explain it ALL !!

dan p

 

[Hoping2]

I know this wasn't addressed to me, but I didn't take Cockcrow's post to mean that Christians don't have to do good works. Rather I took it to mean what I believe, that we don't do good works in order to become Christians, but because we are Christians. Writing to Chrisstians at Ephesus, the apostle Paul said:

“8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; [it is] the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast. 10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.” (Eph 2:8-10 NKJV)

Hi, David,
I hope you are right.

Those who are Christ's have crucified the "flesh", with the affections and lusts, (Gal 5:24), so do naturally those things that show we are really Christians.

 

[tdidymas]

Luke 13:2-4 And Jesus answering said unto them, Suppose ye that these Galilaeans were sinners above all the Galilaeans, because they suffered such things? I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish. Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them, think ye that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem?"
It says ye will all likewise perish, what is the likewise? a tower falling on their head. Nothing here about going to hell, perish there does not mean to go to hell, it is talking about turning from a building falling on their head. It is talking about physical perishing, not losing your eternal life due to sinning too much. It is false to take Luke 13:3 out of context to falsely teach repent of your sins to be saved.

It seems to me you have a fundamental misunderstanding of what Jesus meant when he said this, and I suppose you would have the same misunderstanding where in Luke 10 Jesus said to the lawyer (who said the commandments were love God and your neighbor), "Do this and you will live." Remember the context? The lawyer was asking what he must do to gain eternal life. Jesus said, "you know the commandments... Do this and you will live."

Many people misunderstand what is being said, and how one goes about "doing the commandments," and what exactly "doing the commandments" is for, what purpose, and what is accomplished. It's the same with "repent and believe the gospel," and "unless you repent you will likewise perish." My hope is that you'll pay attention and be enlightened by what I'm saying here, because Jesus often used natural things and events to point people to spiritual matters, and "except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish" is no exception.

The reason why Paul says the law is a tutor to lead us to Christ is because when God commands us to obey the law, we obey it to please God. Ultimately, we want the wrath of God coming in the judgment day to be turned away from us, and to get a "well done, good and faithful servant" from the Almighty. But what we find is a principle of sin working in us (Rom. 7) that makes us understand that we can't obey God's commandments in all circumstances in all time. We find that we are sinners.

But God still wants us to obey His commands, only not out of fear of eternal condemnation, but out of love for Him and His people. So then the grace of God comes to us, with the power of the Holy Spirit, to enable us to love others as Christ commanded. We then discover that our trust in God yields full acceptance because of Christ's work, not because of our works. We find we have a new way of living, with a motive of love for God and others, because of the gift of the Holy Spirit to motivate us. Our relationship with God turns from a relationship of fear to one of love.

As a result of this kind of relationship with God, through Christ, we discover a new power for self-sacrifice, and a steadfast faithfulness to God in times of tribulation. Our "old man" flesh-driven behavior fades away. Then we see the value in Peter's statement that the testing of our faith is more precious than gold. The testing was for our benefit, so that we can know that God has us in His hands and won't let go.

This is the kind of life Christ calls us to, and is the crux of His statement "except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish." When repentance is walked out in life, it is our opportunity to discover the true condition of our soul, and enter the calling to believe in the God who heals the spirit and the personality of individuals who trust Him. Yes, it is by faith that we are justified; and yet, by Biblical faith, not some other kind that James calls "dead."

Then, the only conclusion we can make about Luke 13:2-4 is that Jesus is talking about true repentance, and escaping eternal condemnation. Those who are born of God take heed to the warning and repent, but those perishing disregard it. Those who are born of God have the hope that God helps them to fulfill all that God requires. "The righteous shall live by faith."

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

Luke 13:2-4 And Jesus answering said unto them, Suppose ye that these Galilaeans were sinners above all the Galilaeans, because they suffered such things? I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish. Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them, think ye that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem?"
It says ye will all likewise perish, what is the likewise? a tower falling on their head. Nothing here about going to hell, perish there does not mean to go to hell, it is talking about turning from a building falling on their head. It is talking about physical perishing, not losing your eternal life due to sinning too much. It is false to take Luke 13:3 out of context to falsely teach repent of your sins to be saved.

The first time repent is mentioned in the bible it is God repented. God repented over 30 times and he has no sin, so in order to get the definition of what we must repent of, you must look at the context. no verse in the bible says Repent of your sins to be saved from hell. it doesn't exist. People can only rip verses like this out of context and try to apply that perish there means hell when that is not what Jesus was saying. Don't put words in Jesus mouth but repent of your sins people add "repent of your sins to be saved" to Jesus mouth when he said no such thing

Exodus 13:17 And it came to pass, when Pharaoh had let the people go, that God led them not through the way of the land of the Philistines, although that was near; for God said, Lest peradventure the people repent when they see war, and they return to Egypt:" Here is an example of a bad repentance, God didnt want them to repent here, see repent means to turn. And to know what to turn from you must look at the context. And not rip verses like "except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish" that is not a correct way to use the word of God at all. We are saved by grace not works.

Why am I so persistent about this repent of your sins thing? Because people are going to hell it is a horrible thing that people are being led astray taught a false gospel that they must turn from all of their sins to make it to heaven, when the true gospel is Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved.

A lot of people are going to hell thinking they will be in heaven because they believe they turned from their sins + believe, but thats damnable. you cannot add works to salvation. Its a smooth criminal works salvation, the way they sneak it in. it isvery serious, that if people would simply read their bibles cover to cover King James, all of this could be avoided but instead they want to listen to preachers get up and say stuff that is not in the bible like "repent of your sins to be saved" well maybe if enough people repeat it, then it will become true, no my friend the eternal word of God is the only truth, the final authority and you will not find "repent of your sins to be saved" cover to cover. Its faith alone my friend. the entire book, its faith alone in Christ to be saved. nothing else, you cannot add to that.

Galatians 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.”

Why not make it as simple and easy as possible for every person and just assume every person in? It's called the assumptive close:

1 John 4:
7 Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God.

I'd be hard pressed to say there was a single person who hasn't qualified on the above basis. It's when we make it more complicated that all kinds of troubles arise

There are many false forms of Jesus that I reject, mostly stemming from various sect spins. Is there really a difference between Jesus and Love? I'd suggest NOT

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

But God still wants us to obey His commands,

I'd say moreso that God wants us to be honest.

None of us are ever sinless in this present life, no matter how hard we try. That's the bottom line

Yes, we try not to be openly revealed slaves of the devil, but that doesn't mean we have shook the adversary from our own sorry hides.

We all suffer temptations, deceptions and evil thoughts that defile us. And when we deny it these things have merely turned us into lying hypocrites

At least if we are truthful about it, at least we come away from the table with HONESTY. Even though that honesty seems to choke in our throat

 

[tdidymas]

I'd say moreso that God wants us to be honest.

None of us are ever sinless in this present life, no matter how hard we try. That's the bottom line

Yes, we try not to be openly revealed slaves of the devil, but that doesn't mean we have shook the adversary from our own sorry hides.

We all suffer temptations, deceptions and evil thoughts that defile us. And when we deny it these things have merely turned us into lying hypocrites

At least if we are truthful about it, at least we come away from the table with HONESTY. Even though that honesty seems to choke in our throat

The first step in repentance is admitting that we have broken God's commands. And honesty implies that we ought to have some integrity of character, does it not? We know the wiles of the devil, that is, whoever is trying to grow up spiritually. IMO there is no such thing as honesty that has nothing to do with the commands of God. "Love one another" means doing all that God's law requires. It means obey the 10 Commandments, applied to whatever the Holy Spirit says how we should apply it. It means knowing what God's commands say, and having the intention to apply it wherever our conscience deems necessary. The reason why people choke on honesty is sometimes they don't intend to do right, and sometimes they are too proud to admit they're wrong. All this is part of repentance, is it not?

 

[Hoping2]

I know this wasn't addressed to me, but I didn't take Cockcrow's post to mean that Christians don't have to do good works. Rather I took it to mean what I believe, that we don't do good works in order to become Christians, but because we are Christians.

By that logic, it is easy to see that those who do not do good work, or worse, commit sin, are not yet Christians !

 

[Hoping2]

I'd say moreso that God wants us to be honest.

None of us are ever sinless in this present life, no matter how hard we try. That's the bottom line

Yes, we try not to be openly revealed slaves of the devil, but that doesn't mean we have shook the adversary from our own sorry hides.

We all suffer temptations, deceptions and evil thoughts that defile us. And when we deny it these things have merely turned us into lying hypocrites

At least if we are truthful about it, at least we come away from the table with HONESTY. Even though that honesty seems to choke in our throat

If you found out that you could live without sin, would you ?

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

If you found out that you could live without sin, would you ?

IF it were just a question of the individuals and their individual achievements as a possibility, I could agree. However scriptural reality is we all "have," present tense, sin, Romans 3:9 and there is another party involved with sin that we don't make decisions for. Mark 4:15, 1 John 3:8

But alas, the reality of being a factual sinner, all of us, is found out in many ways.

Romans 11:32
For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.

No one other than God Himself in the flesh was sinless. Sorry

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

The first step in repentance is admitting that we have broken God's commands. And honesty implies that we ought to have some integrity of character, does it not? We know the wiles of the devil, that is, whoever is trying to grow up spiritually. IMO there is no such thing as honesty that has nothing to do with the commands of God. "Love one another" means doing all that God's law requires. It means obey the 10 Commandments, applied to whatever the Holy Spirit says how we should apply it. It means knowing what God's commands say, and having the intention to apply it wherever our conscience deems necessary. The reason why people choke on honesty is sometimes they don't intend to do right, and sometimes they are too proud to admit they're wrong. All this is part of repentance, is it not?

Does doing all we have been commanded, even to perfection, make any of us sinless?

I'd suggest that was never the case.

The evil conscience within all of us is simply that: Evil. Romans 7, entire chapter hammers home the point, as well as many other scriptures such as Heb. 10:22, Mark 7:21-23 I could go on this direction at length, in scriptures

Repentance in any forms made not a one of us sinless

That is why the heart is deceptive, above all things, and desperately wicked, Jer 17:9

Because it lies out its teeth about the facts and can not be honest. Even when we are honest evil is still a liar. But therein we do gain a slight advantage over it, by being honest. It doesn't equal eradication though.

 

[Hoping2]

IF it were just a question of the individuals and their individual achievements as a possibility, I could agree.

Good.
That is a good start to living life in accord with God.

However scriptural reality is we all "have," present tense, sin, Romans 3:9

Don't you beleive that past sins are actually washed away at baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins ? (Acts 2:38, 22:16)

and there is another party involved with sin that we don't make decisions for. Mark 4:15, 1 John 3:8

Mark 4:15 is the people who reject the message, and 1 John 3:8 is those not born of God.
Other people's behavior doesn't drive my actions of inhibit my love.

But alas, the reality of being a factual sinner, all of us, is found out in many ways.

Sin can only be found in sinners.
Those who have repented of sin will be found clean on the day of judgement.

Romans 11:32
For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.

God's mercy has allowed us to be able to resist temptation.

No one other than God Himself in the flesh was sinless. Sorry

Thank God we can crucify our flesh, with the affections and lusts ! (Gal 5:24)
We can now walk in the Spirit instead of in the "flesh".

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

Don't you beleive that past sins are actually washed away at baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins ? (Acts 2:38, 22:16)

Sins are not counted against people to start with, 2 Cor 5:19

Sins are however counted against the devil (and his messengers), who, fwiw, will never obey and never be legal

Sins are not just a question of the person. We do have an adversary that we all engage internally, in the forms of deceptions, partial sights, evil thoughts, lusts, temptations, lawless thoughts, and the like.

That is the primary reason none of us are ever sinless, because it's never been a question of "just and only" the person. Mark 4:15 is real for everyone. So is 1 John 3:8

Only Jesus was/is sinless

Everyone else going down that road is merely pulling their own leg on the subject matter in comparison to scriptures. With a little deceptive help not of themselves, I might add

 

[Der Alte]

Luke 13:2-4 And Jesus answering said unto them, Suppose ye that these Galilaeans were sinners above all the Galilaeans, because they suffered such things? I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish. Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them, think ye that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem?"
It says ye will all likewise perish, what is the likewise? a tower falling on their head. Nothing here about going to hell, perish there does not mean to go to hell, it is talking about turning from a building falling on their head. It is talking about physical perishing, not losing your eternal life due to sinning too much. It is false to take Luke 13:3 out of context to falsely teach repent of your sins to be saved.

The first time repent is mentioned in the bible it is God repented. God repented over 30 times and he has no sin, so in order to get the definition of what we must repent of, you must look at the context. no verse in the bible says Repent of your sins to be saved from hell. it doesn't exist. People can only rip verses like this out of context and try to apply that perish there means hell when that is not what Jesus was saying. Don't put words in Jesus mouth but repent of your sins people add "repent of your sins to be saved" to Jesus mouth when he said no such thing

Exodus 13:17 And it came to pass, when Pharaoh had let the people go, that God led them not through the way of the land of the Philistines, although that was near; for God said, Lest peradventure the people repent when they see war, and they return to Egypt:" Here is an example of a bad repentance, God didnt want them to repent here, see repent means to turn. And to know what to turn from you must look at the context. And not rip verses like "except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish" that is not a correct way to use the word of God at all. We are saved by grace not works.

Why am I so persistent about this repent of your sins thing? Because people are going to hell it is a horrible thing that people are being led astray taught a false gospel that they must turn from all of their sins to make it to heaven, when the true gospel is Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved.

A lot of people are going to hell thinking they will be in heaven because they believe they turned from their sins + believe, but thats damnable. you cannot add works to salvation. Its a smooth criminal works salvation, the way they sneak it in. it isvery serious, that if people would simply read their bibles cover to cover King James, all of this could be avoided but instead they want to listen to preachers get up and say stuff that is not in the bible like "repent of your sins to be saved" well maybe if enough people repeat it, then it will become true, no my friend the eternal word of God is the only truth, the final authority and you will not find "repent of your sins to be saved" cover to cover. Its faith alone my friend. the entire book, its faith alone in Christ to be saved. nothing else, you cannot add to that.

Galatians 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.”

Luke 13:2-4 And Jesus answering said ...but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
If a person repents in this life does that mean they won't physically die?

 

[Hoping2]

Sins are not counted against people to start with, 2 Cor 5:19

The people you cite are those who have turned from sin and been reconciled to God.

Sins are however counted against the devil (and his messengers), who, fwiw, will never obey and never be legal

Sins will be charged against all who will not turn from them.

Sins are not just a question of the person.

Sins are a deed done by a person.
Why are you trying to muddy the waters ?

We do have an adversary that we all engage internally, in the forms of deceptions, partial sights, evil thoughts, lusts, temptations, lawless thoughts, and the like.

Thanks be to God those that are Christ's have crucified the flesh, with the affects and lusts ! (Gal 5:24)
Devils can't use something that is not there against us.

That is the primary reason none of us are ever sinless, because it's never been a question of "just and only" the person.

Only man can commit a sin that he will himself be charged for.

Mark 4:15 is real for everyone.

No, it isn't.
Mark 4:20 is for those who love God with all their hearts, souls, minds, and strength.

So is 1 John 3:8
Only Jesus was/is sinless

You seem to be unaware of 1 John 3:9.

Everyone else going down that road is merely pulling their own leg on the subject matter in comparison to scriptures. With a little deceptive help not of themselves, I might add

Some have truly repented of sin, been washed of past sins by the blood of Christ, and started walking in the light...which is God. (1 John 1:5)
There is no sin in God.

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

Sins are a deed done by a person.
Why are you trying to muddy the waters ?

Why are you dropping the devil from the scriptures on sin?

Sins are not counted against people to start with. 2 Cor. 5:19

That leaves only 1 direction remaining, our ADVERSARY

And in any case zero people other than Jesus have ever been sinless. So there's that

 

[tdidymas]

Does doing all we have been commanded, even to perfection, make any of us sinless?

I'd suggest that was never the case.

The evil conscience within all of us is simply that: Evil. Romans 7, entire chapter hammers home the point, as well as many other scriptures such as Heb. 10:22, Mark 7:21-23 I could go on this direction at length, in scriptures

Repentance in any forms made not a one of us sinless

That is why the heart is deceptive, above all things, and desperately wicked, Jer 17:9

Because it lies out its teeth about the facts and can not be honest. Even when we are honest evil is still a liar. But therein we do gain a slight advantage over it, by being honest. It doesn't equal eradication though.

It appears you assume too much. Who's talking about sinless except H2? I'm talking about a way of life that measures up to what Jesus and the apostles taught. It starts with a constant attitude of repentance from sin and faith that God will enable us to do right. How can you read the NT any other way?

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

It appears you assume too much. Who's talking about sinless except H2? I'm talking about a way of life that measures up to what Jesus and the apostles taught. It starts with a constant attitude of repentance from sin and faith that God will enable us to do right. How can you read the NT any other way?

I'll reiterate that no matter what rituals, mindsets or feigned legal obedience never made anyone sinless

The attempts can very easily however turn people into lying hypocrites, and usually does because people think such attempts does make them sinless, even on a temporary basis and this is never the honest case.

The evil conscious of no one is ever legally obedient or faithful. It's not even remotely possible

 

[Hoping2]

Why are you dropping the devil from the scriptures on sin?

I haven't, but you have dropped the temptations and enticements and lusts that he/it bring to us.
We can either resist them or embrace them.
There is no sin until a sin is committed.

Sins are not counted against people to start with. 2 Cor. 5:19

Those "people", from 2 Cor 5:19, are the ones who have turned from darkness and unto the Light.
They have been reconciled to God, while all the others who have yet to turn from sin have not.
Won't the unreconciled's sins be counted against them ?

That leaves only 1 direction remaining, our ADVERSARY

So what can you do about that ?
He/it will be around till the end, so will you fall to his/its offerings, or resist them ?
That is a decision we have to make everyday !

And in any case zero people other than Jesus have ever been sinless. So there's that

All who are, since their turn from sin, "in Christ", are also as pure as He was.

Mind if I ask from whom have you learned your doctrines ?

 

[Clare73]

I haven't, but you have dropped the temptations and enticements and lusts that he/it bring to us.
We can either resist them or embrace them.
There is no sin until a sin is committed.

Well, not exactly. . .

See Mt 5:21-22, 27-28.

 

[Hoping2]

Well, not exactly. . .

See Mt 5:21-22, 27-28.

Hi.
You do have a point there.
But the context of the posts were addressing sin as a past event.
Already done...so to speak.