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Well, first of all I'd like to point out that you don't need to have a Ph.d to study the Bible and draw your own conclusions, so I'll skip the citations. Second, I'll just leave these two verses here for you.

Rev. 22:16 “I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star.”

Isa. 14:12 "How you are fallen from heaven, O morning star, son of dawn! How you are cut down to the ground, you who laid the nations low!"

And then we have your accredited source which states:

הֵילֵל hêylêl, hay-lale'; from H1984 (in the sense of brightness); the morning-star:—lucifer. (Strongs)

Good luck making any sense of that.
 
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Correct! Lucifer is not satan.
 
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Heylel would not be written in Revelation because the new testament was written in greek. This is why in the context of Isaiah it was rendered Lucifer and we see in the book of Job that there were morning stars.

Job 38:7 King James Version (KJV)

7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy

You rendering the fallen morning star aka Lucifer/Satan to the bright and morning star in revelation which references Jesus is just confusion.
 
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Heylel in Isaiah was translated to Eosforos from Hebrew to the Greek Lexicon, then to Lucifer from the Greek Lexicon to the Latin Vulgate.
In Revelation, the Greek Lexicon's word for star was Aster. So, tell me how you get the morning star out of two different words in the Latin? On top of that, it's referring to two different people.
 
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Post your proof considering every dictionary says otherwise. You dont get to make up the English language. By definition a fact is something that can be proved hence why we have dictionaries.
That is NOT the reason we have dictionaries.

Dictionaries exist to tell us the meaning of words as they are commonly used. They do not only list usages that the dictionary itself decides are the "official" ones, nor is there any government agency or etc. that decrees that one use is permitted and all others forbidden.
 
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Welcome! If you search the scriptures with discernment, you will realize the identity of Lucifer. The dictionary is not Christian and takes the stance of urban legend.
Be blessed.
 
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Correct me if I'm wrong but what we know as Satan today would actually be consider the evil inclination in the OT, right?
As we see it today? Change is in the air?
Satan means and has always meant, adversarial to the will of God. We've seen it since the Garden. That is the only evil inclination. The original sin was acting contrary to the will of God. The Gentile church tried to turn it into a being to cover their own adversarial ways when they turned away from the Kingdom and loving all as self, and back to the self serving ideals of mankind.
 
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So, what is your opinion on the serpent in the garden then? Isaiah speaks of "the cherub that covers" as being in the Garden of Eden and seems to imply that this is the one we know as "Lucifer" today. Would you say that was the serpent or the serpent was a representation of our evil inclination?
 
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We had a dual nature, animal and spirit of God. We were given dominion over the animals, yet an animal convinced Eve to come down to their level thus making them equals. Once we stopped letting the will of God flow through us and instead put our self serving nature first, it was game over for the human hybrid. Man would now use the power of the spirit given by God as an advantage to increase their own fortunes at the expense of others. Animals are content to seek out territory and kill each other for food with no thought. Man took thought to increase our powers way beyond those of fellow animals. We went from caretakers and caregivers to top of the food chain. Animals did not self justify, but man did, taking the knowledge of good and evil which fellow animals do not have and using it to seek gain at the expense of others.
 
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• Nachash - Serpent

נָחָשׁ

H5175 - nachash - Strong's Hebrew Lexicon (KJV)




• Helel - A Shining One

Strong's Hebrew: 1966. הֵילֵל (helel) -- a shining one


הֵילֵל

“How you Are Fallen From Heaven, O Lucifer (Helel) , son of the morning! How You Are Cut Down To The Ground, You Who Weakened the nations!
• Isaiah 14:12




So The Great Dragon was cast out, That Serpent Of Old, Called The Devil And Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Revelation 12:9


He laid hold of The Dragon, That Serpent Of Old, Who Is The Devil And Satan, and bound him for a thousand years;
Revelation 20:2



In that day The LORD with His severe sword, great and strong, Will Punish Leviathan The Fleeing SERPENT , Leviathan That Twisted SERPENT ; And He will slay the reptile that is in the sea.
Isaiah 27:1



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Neither Satan or Lucifer is specifically designating one being. They are descriptions of various spiritual conditions. So there may be various Lucifer's and Satan's, as many as become such.
 
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This is all very interesting, but a point of discernment came up.

Wouldn't it be safer to not speak the name of a demon out loud?

Having a fake name attributed to no one actually works.
 
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Keep reminding God's people of these things. Warn them before God against quarreling about words; it is of no value, and only ruins those who listen. (2 Timothy 2:14)

But to you I say, to the rest that are in Thyatira, as many as have not this teaching, who know not the deep things of Satan, as they are wont to say; I cast upon you none other burden. (Revelation 2:24)
 
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Welcome! If you search the scriptures with discernment, you will realize the identity of Lucifer. The dictionary is not Christian and takes the stance of urban legend.
Be blessed.

I'm sure you will understand why I will rather lean towards the opinions of qualified academic professionals and Biblical scholars.
 
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Post your credentials to show why we should trust your opinion over biblical scholars and compilers of dictionaries. You have an idea in your head that cannot be proved which you believe in even after I have presented the facts from multiple sources derived from academic professionals who are qualified to define the meanings of words. for example the word Delusion.


Definition of delusion


1a: something that is falsely or delusively believed or propagatedunder the delusion that they will finish on scheduledelusions of grandeur
bpsychology : a persistent false psychotic belief regarding the self or persons or objects outside the self that is maintained despite indisputable evidence to the contrarythe delusion that someone was out to hurt himalso : the abnormal state marked by such beliefs
 
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I recently watched a lecture where they explained Lucifer was a name for the planet Venus, the so called Morning Star. It's part symbolic since next to the sun it is the brightest object and fights against the sunrise to stay visible, a sort of rebellion against the sunrise, or something like that. The name Lucifer is discussed about 13 min 30 seconds into this clip and ends around 19 minutes:
The same youtube channel 'The Bible Project" publishes a lot of informative videos. More on Satan:

 
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Whew! Much better post. Thanks for changing. Anyway, I often reference the Jewish encyclopedia when it comes to the Old Testament. Lucifer is actually the King of Babylon.
Be blessed!

LUCIFER - JewishEncyclopedia.com
 
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