Lucid Dreaming

[BlackLamb]

I was looking up information on this because I thought having some control over my dreams would be awesome. However on my search I discovered some people practice it and experience astral projection, which made me uneasy. Now, I don't think controlling your dreams is wrong at all, otherwise I wouldn't have bothered to begin with. I was just wondering if it was possible to unintentially do something dangerous, which I believe astral projection is (I don't like the thought of my spirit leaving my body without God's hand in it). Are the two issues unrelated? Anyone have any thoughts? Has anyone practiced lucid dreaming before?

 

[Shizzle]

When looking into occult related things, its important to know that their understanding of their own experiences is extremely incorrect. However they probably have some information that might be accurate

The thing is, many occultists and such say that when your dreaming, your really on the astral plane, just not concious. That fits in with lucid dreaming leading to astral projection because if your already on the astral plane, then becoming concious would be the only barrier to being astrally projected

I dont believe astral projection is sinful or anything, but that you should avoid contact with other beings (humans, demons, angels) on the "astral plane" as they lable it because it could very well be a demon impersonation. The only way to know they werent a demon is to do what the bible says, to test them. Ask them to confess with their mouth that Jesus is Gods son and the risen saviour. I dont believe that they can harm you, maybe they could, but many accounts of being attacked by demons is just a bunch of voices and such. God talks about a sliver cord being cut when we die and many occultists say that they see a silver cord when their projecting.

To that affect, its still very possible that the whole thing could be a demonic deception because i still havent gotten control of my dream or astrally projected. What really sparked my interest in astral projection was one day i was sitting in my bed, id woken up and hour earlier and had gotten up and gone back to sleep. I started feeling numb and was like floating and just felt really awesomely weird. I cant explain it but at first i thought it was a vision from God, until i saw this big blue thing that looked kinda like a unit from warcraft. Then i was hovering above my school bleachers and their was a projector shooting at the wall behind me. it was like somone cut a area of my gym out, put a wall around it, a door and a projector in there. I floated on down past the projector and then i was in this room. I think that my brain made up the room later because all i really saw was a big pink/orage/yellow box(it was that thing that God was in, like the special box that people died when they looked in, and i didnt know the name of it but i just knew what it was, i still dont know its name), which i floated by and the turned and looked at 2 tables that were from my school and a pillar. On one of the tables was 2 of my kneadable(they can be bent like clay) erasers, with vitamin A and vitamin B (ive been taking calcium and vitamin c for a while and i think i got those mixed up) And on the other table was a piece of paper and something else i floated/moved (i wasnt really a body, i keep thinking i was a blob of light but i dont remember that either) over to the paper, and i read at the top "new text document" then it ended before i could read the paper.

I believe that i had started to astrally project when i fell asleep and was only partly concious so my subconcious started dreaming but i was really excited and freaked out so i was called bak to my body, later when ive tried to astrally project(i usually fall asleep and wake up three hours later) once i felt this strange warmth on my cheek, another time i heard this loud blazing wind for one second and once i was like seeing really far away but up close at the same time and their was like a planet, but it wasnt like i was seeing with my eyes it was just i was seeing. If astral projection is a demonic deception, i dont think ive done anything to get possessed at all, when i try to astrally project, i just realx and try to clear my mind alot then make myself feel like im falling, (visualization), and either visualize myself lifting out of my body, or make my hands feel like their climbing a rope straight out of my body. God doesnt speak against any of those things.

If astral projections not a demonic deception or if it is, i dont think lucid dreaming is dangerous either way, but that if astral projection is a demonic deception, you shouldnt be able to do it from lucid dreams. But ive never done either, yet recently when ive been trying to lucid dream ive remembered my dreams almost every night that ive been trying to lucid dream.

 

[RSteel]

I love to read about lucid dreaming and what not. I used to could lie in bed and just imagine myself floating above the house. It was a really weird feeling, but enjoyable none the less. I'm interested in reading more about lucid dreaming/astral projection and what not.

 

[Shizzle]

whatnot

I used to could lie in bed and just imagine myself floating above the house. It was a really weird feeling, but enjoyable none the less.

many occultists talk about remote viewing, maybe thats what you were doing? explain some more..

 

[ClementofRome]

For an interesting aside....see the movie: "Waking Life." It deals with these questions. I show it to my Intro to Philosophy class and it always brings about a great discussion.

And just as an aside....would it not be more profitable to be able to control one's dreams from a Christian perspective??? Otherwise, our sick little minds go off on their own and produce all manner of lunacy. Just a thought. I would not consider efforts at lucid dreaming "occult."

 

[Shizzle]

I would not consider efforts at lucid dreaming "occult."

you mustve misunderstood me, or not read my whole post
i didnt say lucid dreaming or astral projection was occult, i said that most people who do it are involved in occult things. Thus it is occult related, when you go to google and search for "astral projection", you get alot of lies.

And just as an aside....would it not be more profitable to be able to control one's dreams from a Christian perspective??? Otherwise, our sick little minds go off on their own and produce all manner of lunacy.

huh

 

[Theophorus]

According to Malachi Martin in his book Hostage to the Devil, it covers 6 modern excorcism cases, these visions of auras, energy fields, and projections are actually presentations by demons. They do not really happen to you, personally. But if you are going to try to get a handle on lucid dreaming anyway, if even it is only for entertainment purposes, I have heard that one technique is to try to look at your hands when you are dreaming.
Supposedly, if you can calmly look at your hands and not wake up, you can begin to "aquire" other abilities, or be able to control your dreams, including the astral projection thing. Others warn though, that if you become proficient, you should not wander too far.
Myself, having had one to many strange experiences would suggest leaving it alone altogether. Things are not always as they seem.

 

[ClementofRome]

you mustve misunderstood me, or not read my whole post
i didnt say lucid dreaming or astral projection was occult, i said that most people who do it are involved in occult things. Thus it is occult related, when you go to google and search for "astral projection", you get alot of lies.


huh

My apologies, I must have misunderstood. And, I do understand what you are getting at with the post.

Now, your is interesting... It would appear to me that we would want to somehow control our dreams (I am not there yet) because when our dreams are left to their own devices...they can be weird, sensuous, evil...etc. If our dreams are totally uncontrollable, then, the weird, sensuous, evil etc...we must not be responsible for... Care to comment on this aspect of dreaming?

 

[abbygirlforever]

I would say if you aren't sure about lucid dreaming/astral projection, it is better to be safe than sorry and avoid it. Perhaps these things are a demonic imitation of God-given dreams/visions? I don't know, but delving into the occult is dangerous, and although lucid dreaming/astral projection may or may not be occultic practices within themselves, they are linked to the occult.

 

[ClementofRome]

I would say if you aren't sure about lucid dreaming/astral projection, it is better to be safe than sorry and avoid it. Perhaps these things are a demonic imitation of God-given dreams/visions? I don't know, but delving into the occult is dangerous, and although lucid dreaming/astral projection may or may not be occultic practices within themselves, they are linked to the occult.

Thanks for the comments, but I believe that there are just some assumptions here that must be either confirmed or debunked. What the heck is your dream life if not God given? Does God leave one to the "evil entity" during one's dream state? Are we at the mercy of the evil one when we are in a dream state. I reject all of this. No, I am not yet able to control my dream state, but it would seem to me that God would not leave his children open to attack in a vulnerable state. It would seem to me that if one has any concept of free will I (which I have many questions about) then one would not be left open to absolute attack in their dream state.

Where do we go from here?

 

[abbygirlforever]

I think you misunderstood what I meant. By "God-given dreams/visions" I meant prophetic dreams from God, whether while asleep or awake (like the ones John had that he recorded in Revelation). They are a part of the gift of prophecy. And if God has a special gift to give us, Satan will try to imitate it. That might be what lucid dreaming/astral projection is - Satan's counterfeit.

 

[Shizzle]

God says not to walk on the right or the left in deuteronomy 5:something.

Now, your is interesting... It would appear to me that we would want to somehow control our dreams (I am not there yet) because when our dreams are left to their own devices...they can be weird, sensuous, evil...etc. If our dreams are totally uncontrollable, then, the weird, sensuous, evil etc...we must not be responsible for... Care to comment on this aspect of dreaming?

ive been trying to control my dreams for about a week and a half, and ive been remembering my dreams every day, but not really there yet. I dont think you could have evil dreams.. but i also dont think lust is wrong but w/e. Today, i had this dream where i had like this special power, but was really lame at using it. Then somehow i was outside whacking a four year old with a pole.. Then it started to get hard to hit him with the pole and their was like this wind. I think i was moving my arm in my bed and it was up against the wall. I woke up right then, it was 5:45 and i was sitting up in my bed on my knee looking at the room, but i thought i was floating on the other side of the room for the second (bunk bed) and the window was the door, and as soon as i woke up, i opened my eyes really wide because part of me knew that i was on my , and that if i blinked i would know that i was on my bed. Then i fell back asleep..

Thanks for the comments, but I believe that there are just some assumptions here that must be either confirmed or debunked. What the heck is your dream life if not God given? Does God leave one to the "evil entity" during one's dream state? Are we at the mercy of the evil one when we are in a dream state. I reject all of this. No, I am not yet able to control my dream state, but it would seem to me that God would not leave his children open to attack in a vulnerable state. It would seem to me that if one has any concept of free will I (which I have many questions about) then one would not be left open to absolute attack in their dream state.

I agree, i think we christians are safe from being attacked/possessed by the devil. Today i was walking home from school when these two dogs came running out from behind a house. At first i was in denial, telling myself they wouldnt come any closer.. they did. I have rehearsed this situation many times in my mind, telling my self i would hit them with my bookbag and kick it. I kind of blocked the dog with my bookbag for a second but then got way to freaked out and dropped it and tried to run but was so freaked out i was just wobbling away. Then i was walking away and somehow one of the dogs jumped up and was biting my coat, and i ended up falling on the ground screeching till i said in my mind "God help me" and the dogs kind of backed off and i got on my knees and was in the praying position. Then their was one of my neighbors ive never met before, he was an old man and i was still in a haze, not really thinking. I dont know if the old man made the dogs go away, me going out of their territory or me saying God help me, but either way, it wasnt a coincidence when i thought that. Thru the whole thing, i was kind of freaked out but i dont think i was scared, i told myself "im gonna die here" tho as i was trying to walk away and run with the dog hanging onto my coat. Im kind of embarrassed that i was on the ground screeching cas im male, and that other old man was there. I kinda got up and like got onto the old mans truck, not really thinking.. anyways the dogs went away and i went and got my bookbag and went back home. Its like id told myself what id do before but when it came to it, i just got freaked out and lost power in my mind and body.

 

[Theophorus]

In the evening prayers of the Orthodox church, there are petitions for sinless
dreams, or dreams that do not arouse the passions such as lust or anger.
Also, many of the desert monks in the 1st 4 centuries, and beyond, did not trust dreams or visions. They did not deny that God would choose to
Communicate in that manner, but a long standing view from their experiences
teaches that the demons parody things of God, including visions and dreams
etc. Several expressed the view that beautific dreams were more likely to be demonic in origin, and that nightmarish dreams many times were a chastisement from God to warn a person embroiled in sin.

 

[ClementofRome]

In the evening prayers of the Orthodox church, there are petitions for sinless
dreams, or dreams that do not arouse the passions such as lust or anger.
Also, many of the desert monks in the 1st 4 centuries, and beyond, did not trust dreams or visions. They did not deny that God would choose to
Communicate in that manner, but a long standing view from their experiences
teaches that the demons parody things of God, including visions and dreams
etc. Several expressed the view that beautific dreams were more likely to be demonic in origin, and that nightmarish dreams many times were a chastisement from God to warn a person embroiled in sin.

Thank you for sharing that. Very interesting.

 

[RSteel]

It's hard to explain it...haha...perhaps it was just my imagination...who knows. If I have that experience again, I'll write more...that's all 4 now.

 

[Bohemian]

It's great having a thread like this! I've been searching the forums for discussions about AP, OBE, Lucid Dreaming.

 

[Theophorus]

It's great having a thread like this! I've been searching the forums for discussions about AP, OBE, Lucid Dreaming.

It is fascinating but I myself do not like lucid dreams. It is hard to explain but I'll give it go.

It seems to me that dreams themselves, are an "alien" enviroment. Though they may have familiar settings, often the setting is skewed or it becomes a "hybrid" of locales, context, personalities among other things. Plus there is the vague notion or awarness of reality that is just "there"; a feeling that you are trapped between two realms.

It becomes a "place", at least for me, that requires an extreme exertion of a person's will. Nothing else seems to matter when I find myself in a lucid dream state. The dream may require some sort of preservation, if it is a good one, but more often than not, it is, or becomes threatening or uncomfortable. It is then that I will a change; either to awake, or change the situation. It is almost always a struggle of some kind or another. It is always exauhsting.

The major thing though that I dislike about the lucid dream is that it always ends up that I feel completely alone. It is strange, but before I was a Christian, it was sometimes a feeling of empowerment, but now it is always a feeling of alienation, and lonliness upon awakening.

 

[Bohemian]

It is fascinating but I myself do not like lucid dreams.

I don't have much experience with Lucid Dreams, my main thing is Astral Projection.

 

[ClementofRome]

I don't have much experience with Lucid Dreams, my main thing is Astral Projection.

Tell us more.

 

[Shizzle]

It is fascinating but I myself do not like lucid dreams. It is hard to explain but I'll give it go.

howd you get lucid in your dreams