Love

[allhart]

Did Jesus demonstration in his life show the greatest LOVE!
Jesus did not die for us while we were his friends,but while we were his enemies, opposing him by our sinfulness.Yet, in spite of all of this,GOD demonstrated his love for us by dying on the cross. Jesus did not die for humanity as a whole, but that he died for us individuals.Then realize that, for practical purposes, it was not nails that held him to the cross, but LOVE

 

[quatona]

Did Jesus demonstration in his life show the greatest LOVE!
Jesus did not die for us while we were his friends,but while we were his enemies, opposing him by our sinfulness.

Since Jesus´ alleged death for us happened before we even were born, neither can be accurate.

 

[allhart]

Since Jesus´ alleged death for us happened before we even were born, neither can be accurate.

You must have logical reasoning. (Psalm 119:130) How much evidence is proof. History can never provide evidence that is foolproof. After all, history cannot be repeated. None of us was a witness to GOD"S creation in the heavens and earth. Any history must have faith behind it.I believe the bible is God's word for I'm forced to make a decision. There are decisions you cannot avoid.

 

[quatona]

You must have logical reasoning. (Psalm 119:130) How much evidence is proof. History can never provide evidence that is foolproof. After all, history cannot be repeated. None of us was a witness to GOD"S creation in the heavens and earth. Any history must have faith behind it.I believe the bible is God's word for I'm forced to make a decision. There are decisions you cannot avoid.

I don´t understand how this is a response to what I wrote. I guess we are miscommunicating.
What I tried to point out: I was neither Jesus´ friend nor his enemy when he died. I didn´t even exist. This logical reasoning is quite fine.

 

[allhart]

I don´t understand how this is a response to what I wrote. I guess we are miscommunicating.
What I tried to point out: I was neither Jesus´ friend nor his enemy when he died. I didn´t even exist. This logical reasoning is quite fine.

Your existence and everyone else's just doesn't miraculously appear. The decision about Jesus you cannot avoid.Not deciding is still making a choice.

 

[quatona]

Your existence and everyone else's just doesn't miraculously appear. The decision about Jesus you cannot avoid.Not deciding is still making a choice.

Whatever. I don´t recall making any decisions before I existed, I wasn´t even able to make a decision. I simply didn´t exist.

 

[allhart]

Whatever. I don´t recall making any decisions before I existed, I wasn´t even able to make a decision. I simply didn´t exist.

But you are alive aren't you.

 

[quatona]

But you are alive aren't you.

Apparently. So?

 

[allhart]

Apparently. So?

Have you excepted Christ are you sure you are going to heaven.Life is ever lasting have you decided on heaven or hell and do you know what hell is ( it is the opposite attributes of God ) That is everything you know to be good light, majestic beauty in nature,Love ECT>God is love

 

[quatona]

Have you excepted Christ are you sure you are going to heaven.Life is ever lasting have you decided on heaven or hell and do you know what hell is ( it is the opposite attributes of God ) That is everything you know to be good light, majestic beauty in nature,Love ECT>God is love

allhart, I was discussing one particular point you made in your OP. If you want to address my criticism, you are welcome, but please spare me unrelated preachings, whilst pretending you were answering my post. Ok?

 

[allhart]

allhart, I was discussing one particular point you made in your OP. If you want to address my criticism, you are welcome, but please spare me unrelated preachings, whilst pretending you were answering my post. Ok?

Christ is relevant to the conversation.

 

[quatona]

Nevermind.

 

[allhart]

Nevermind.

Well God love you any how.

 

[rebelEnigma]

Well God love you any how.

I really don't see how atheists could have any objection to this.

 

[OdwinOddball]

I really don't see how atheists could have any objection to this.

Well, "God Loves you", is not offensive except to the atheist "fundamentlaists" who will turn any comment around to try and make religion out to be the bad guy.

But, once you add the "any how", you have implied that the atheist is doing something bad, and/or turned your gods love into conditional love, which isn't quite the same message and depending on context could be highly offensive.

 

[ShadowAndLight]

Did Jesus demonstration in his life show the greatest LOVE!
Jesus did not die for us while we were his friends,but while we were his enemies, opposing him by our sinfulness.Yet, in spite of all of this,GOD demonstrated his love for us by dying on the cross. Jesus did not die for humanity as a whole, but that he died for us individuals.Then realize that, for practical purposes, it was not nails that held him to the cross, but LOVE

What exactly is your point?

 

[quatona]

I really don't see how atheists could have any objection to this.

I personally have an objection not to the statement itself (other than that I think it´s wrong, for the obvious reason that I don´t beieve there´s a god, in the first place). I have an objection to it being used to evade a question.

 

[Mling]

I really don't see how atheists could have any objection to this.

I'm actually pretty surprised that more Christians don't object to God's love or the power of prayer ("I'll pray for you), being turned into cheap jabs. They tend to be used either, as quatona pointed out, to evade questions, or just to get in a last word, or as a weapon of some sort ("You're so horrible that all I can offer is prayer," or, "I'm so holy that I'll offer even filthy trash like you God's love.")

When I was a Christian, I objected to the statements, because they degraded things I felt were important. Now I object mostly to the attitude behind them, which would be evident no matter what words were used, and if none were--it is little more than an online sneer.

 

[JohnLocke]

Well, I object. Strongly, viciously even to using "God" to evade questions or put folks down.

For my part, I couldn't understand the the OP's original post, and wasn't really tracking any of his/her/their/its subsequent posts.

I also think that "Love thy neighbor" means love that thy neighbor is Jewish or Islamic or Buddhist or Atheist. Call me a heretic (and for once I might actually be one), but I believe that God or Christ, or whatever term you care to ascribe to the thing I know as God can be found in a lot of different ways. I'm also fairly certain that God isn't done with anyone until at least after their dead, and maybe not even then.

That said, if I know or even suspect that my "praying for you" makes you uncomfortable, I won't. Not only, do I think that's Biblical/Christian, but just common courtesy.

Peace

 

[The Nihilist]

I really don't see how atheists could have any objection to this.

Atheists hate poor grammar