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[HeatherJay]

Yeah, mine, too. And, really...did they really think that Charlie wouldn't follow them? If for no other reason than to keep an eye on Claire. But, the good doctor was quite right, it seems, in not giving Charlie a gun...lol, he would have probably just shot Ethan before Jack got the chance to beat the stuffing out of him.

Another question...didn't it seem to you guys that everyone took a really long time getting to Claire once Ethan showed up? Especially since they all had visual contact with her.

And, couldn't Ethan have expected an ambush? Did he really think Charlie would just send Claire into the forest all alone? He must have been really desperate to get her back if he was willing to risk it. I'm thinking it has something to do with him wanting her baby, because he obviously has no qualms about killing people.

AND, if he attacked Scott from the water, then how come none of the beach dwellers saw him? Especially since he had time to break all of Scotts fingers, his arm in multiple places, and his neck...wasn't there screaming or fighting involved that would have drawn attention? Unless he broke Scott's neck first and then broke the other bones just to be dramatic?

PS I had a really hard time not calling the poor dead guy 'Steve' when I was typing this out.

 

[USincognito]

Charlie picked up Jack's pistol from off the ground - Ethan knocked it out of Jack's hand, and Charlie must have grabbed it when he showed up on the scene.

I still have the episode on tape, so I'll need to watch it again, but Jack had a Baretta, and the gun Charlie fired looked like a Walther.

As far as the guns go, I'm sure they'll continue to be a plot device. It looks like Sawyer's Sig will come into play next week.

Speaking of next week -- I am SOOOO glad that we're finally back into new episodes.

 

[USincognito]

Charlie picked up Jack's pistol from off the ground - Ethan knocked it out of Jack's hand, and Charlie must have grabbed it when he showed up on the scene.

I still have the episode on tape, so I'll need to watch it again, but Jack had a Baretta, and the gun Charlie fired looked like a Walther.

As far as the guns go, I'm sure they'll continue to be a plot device. It looks like Sawyer's Sig will come into play next week.

Speaking of next week -- I am SOOOO glad that we're finally back into new episodes.

 

[USincognito]

I still have the episode on tape, so I'll need to watch it again, but Jack had a Baretta, and the gun Charlie fired looked like a Walther.

Well, I was wrong. Jack had a Walther (as did Sayid apparently). Locke has the Baretta and Sawyer and Kate were packing the Sigs. Sorry the photos are so low quality, but I can't afford a DVR. I'm working with the VHS that I have... The first photo I the gun Charlie shot Ethan with, the second is the gun Jack dropped when Ethan attacked him.

 

[AirPo]

Well, I was wrong. Jack had a Walther (as did Sayid apparently). Locke has the Baretta and Sawyer and Kate were packing the Sigs. Sorry the photos are so low quality, but I can't afford a DVR. I'm working with the VHS that I have... The first photo I the gun Charlie shot Ethan with, the second is the gun Jack dropped when Ethan attacked him.

This speaks to the quality of this show. To get details like this right is not easy. Even if Charlie had a different gun, we'd have to settle for calling it a blooper as opposed to a weird plot twist. IMHO.

 

[Billnew]

Didn't really pay attention to types of guns.

But to write off this as a mistake on a show like this would
be a big mistake.

I just assumed all the guns in the case were the same type.
The gun from the U.S.marshal. Would be 2 different types.

 

[Babymine]

Another question...didn't it seem to you guys that everyone took a really long time getting to Claire once Ethan showed up? Especially since they all had visual contact with her.

Im so happy to see Im not the only one who thought about this. I was also a little peeved about how long it took the guys to get to Jack. I guess it was just done for dramatic effect, but man it was a stretch.

When are they going to get to Hurley's story? Besides Sayid, he is my favorite. Sayid is falling out of grace with me because he's with....eh hem Shannon.

My name is Babymine and I'm a dork, but I LOVE Lost!

 

[USincognito]

But to write off this as a mistake on a show like this would
be a big mistake.

I hoped my freeze frame photos above would have shown there was not mistake and that the prop guys showed sufficient attention to detail.

I just assumed all the guns in the case were the same type.
The gun from the U.S.marshal. Would be 2 different types.

There's at least three makes:

1. The Sig Sawyer got off the dying Marshall plus what appears to be another carried by Kate from the case.
2. The Baretta carried by Locke again gotten from the case.
3. The Walther carried by Jack and used by Charlie to kill Ethan.

(Note, while looking for photos, I just discovered it's Beretta, not Baretta)

Beretta 92/96 Series.

The mother of all Sigs, the P220.

The Walther PPK.

If any of you taped the episode like I did, go back and check scenes and weapons carried. I'll post my findings tonight.

 

[waitingforwonderful]

Alls I can say after this episode is this: okay, a few things:

01. Sawyer. I love you. Please be my best friend + boyfriend.
02. Jin totally speaks English, and he's trying to figure out if Sun does too, right?
03. Jack + Sawyer = stop being babies! Jeez.
04. Claire. Awww. I was never really that into her 'till "I remember peanut butter."

 

[waitingforwonderful]

So. Is Ethan the main character that dies in the first season??

No.

 

[Billnew]

Great episode.

We see Sawyer's also guilty of Murder. And unfortunately killed the wrong man.

Sawyer also met Jack's Dad. And without knowing it helped Sawyer to kill.

Sawyer is hearing the voices.
And settled his problem with the Boar.

Does all the survivors have a comon thread?

Survivors that have killed or feel responsible for the death:
Jacks Father(the patient)
Jack(his father)
Sawyer(the Shrimp salesman)
Kate (unknown)
Charlie(Ethan)
Syiam(the lady in Iraq, and others)

Are there others?

What would you miss if you were lost on an island?
With me it would be a good cold Dr Pepper.( I missed it when I was in Germany)

 

[HeatherJay]

Locke cracked me up last night when he was telling the story about his sister and the dog.
Kate : So, you think the dog was your sister?
Locke : No, that would be silly.

I was watching on and off because I was making phone calls, but I think I got the gist of the Sawyer part. He got duped into doing someone else's dirty work and shot the wrong guy (having been told that he was "Sawyer"). He met Jack's dad (??? ) in a bar and listened to the guy go on about how he loved his son so much. And he thought the boar was the not-Sawyer-guy-he-shot reincarnate??

I took a little walk down memory lane when Sawyer and Kate were playing 'I Never...'. We used to play that game all the time back in the good old days.

Kate, again, showed signs that she's not an evil murderess when she got all upset when Sawyer was making the baby pig scream. It was sort of a juvenile move, though, when she flounced off through the jungle leaving Sawyer all alone (meaning she was all alone as well). Hello? Did she forget that the forest is wild, full of strange monsters, killer polar bears, and a psychotic band of loonies?? Of course, Locke just seemed like he was out for a casual stroll in the park when he mysteriously showed up. Funny how he always seems to show up when someone is in need of one of those "life lessons" talks.

Oh, and if I were stranded on a desert island, I would really miss a shower. I've never been one of those 'bath people'. LOL, and I would also really miss shampoo.

 

[snoochface]

It's funny how characters' paths seem to have crossed several times before they landed on the island. This week Sawyer meets Jack's dad. Last week, I can't recall what specifically was going on, but while we were watching Charlie's flashback story I paused the TiVo and said, "Isn't that Sawyer walking by in the background?" and I think it was. During Sun's story, when she was waiting at the airport during her plan to leave Jin, I believe Boone and Shannon were in line at the airport with her. And I can't remember whose story it was, but someone was standing at a counter and yelling at someone (this was a relatively early episode) and if I remember correctly it was Jin this time who was there observing the "angry American" going off at an airport employee.

Add all that to the previews of next week where they said "Someone... or something... doesn't want them to leave the island" and I wonder if it was an accident that the plane crashed in the first place, and that these particular people survived. I dunno, but I love this show.

 

[HeatherJay]

It's funny how characters' paths seem to have crossed several times before they landed on the island. This week Sawyer meets Jack's dad. Last week, I can't recall what specifically was going on, but while we were watching Charlie's flashback story I paused the TiVo and said, "Isn't that Sawyer walking by in the background?" and I think it was. During Sun's story, when she was waiting at the airport during her plan to leave Jin, I believe Boone and Shannon were in line at the airport with her. And I can't remember whose story it was, but someone was standing at a counter and yelling at someone (this was a relatively early episode) and if I remember correctly it was Jin this time who was there observing the "angry American" going off at an airport employee.

Add all that to the previews of next week where they said "Someone... or something... doesn't want them to leave the island" and I wonder if it was an accident that the plane crashed in the first place, and that these particular people survived. I dunno, but I love this show.

Sawyer walked by in the background of Boone and Shannon's story...when Boone was at the police station trying to get the guy to make a report about his sister being abused. He had been arrested for something (have they said what he was arrested for yet??). I don't know about Sawyer walking by in Charlie's story...I didn't catch that (but I don't have Tivo, either). But it's entirely possible.

I think it's becoming more and more apparent that all these people ARE connected in some way and that their plane crash and survival was definitely not accidental.

 

[snoochface]

Sawyer walked by in the background of Boone and Shannon's story...when Boone was at the police station trying to get the guy to make a report about his sister being abused. He had been arrested for something (have they said what he was arrested for yet??). I don't know about Sawyer walking by in Charlie's story...I didn't catch that (but I don't have Tivo, either). But it's entirely possible.

No, you are absolutely right, it was during Boone and Shannon's story - I don't know why I thought it was as recently as last week, I guess that's what happens when you get old. I don't think anything like that happened during Charlie's story last week at all now. Thanks for catching that!

They haven't said what he was arrested for yet - I'm intrigued now to know if it was because of the guy he shot last night. They haven't said yet why Sawyer was on that plane, did they? I want to know more! I'm dreading the season finale cliffhanger because I know they are going to reveal *just* enough information to make us crazy all summer.

 

[AirPo]

Great episode.

We see Sawyer's also guilty of Murder. And unfortunately killed the wrong man.

Sawyer also met Jack's Dad. And without knowing it helped Sawyer to kill.

Sawyer is hearing the voices.
And settled his problem with the Boar.

Does all the survivors have a comon thread?

Survivors that have killed or feel responsible for the death:
Jacks Father(the patient)
Jack(his father)
Sawyer(the Shrimp salesman)
Kate (unknown)
Charlie(Ethan)
Syiam(the lady in Iraq, and others)

Are there others?

What would you miss if you were lost on an island?
With me it would be a good cold Dr Pepper.( I missed it when I was in Germany)

Jin was a hit man for Sun father.
Walt's mom died.

Nothing about Locke though. Yet. I think something may be reveled in his next back story. Like how he was injured. Perhaps he was driving, wrecked, killed someone but he survived?

 

[HeatherJay]

Jin was a hit man for Sun father.
Walt's mom died.

Nothing about Locke though. Yet. I think something may be reveled in his next back story. Like how he was injured. Perhaps he was driving, wrecked, killed someone but he survived?

(The 'common thread' line of thinking) Well, Locke told the story last night about how his sister fell off the monkey bars and broke her neck and died...maybe he was somehow involved? Or was dramatically affected somehow by that?

I think his back story will answer quite a few questions.

 

[Billnew]

Great episode.

We see Sawyer's also guilty of Murder. And unfortunately killed the wrong man.

Sawyer also met Jack's Dad. And without knowing it helped Sawyer to kill.

Sawyer is hearing the voices.
And settled his problem with the Boar.

Does all the survivors have a comon thread?

Survivors that have killed or feel responsible for the death:
Jacks Father(the patient)
Jack(his father)
Sawyer(the Shrimp salesman)
Kate (unknown)
Charlie(Ethan)
Syiam(the lady in Iraq, and others)

Are there others?

What would you miss if you were lost on an island?
With me it would be a good cold Dr Pepper.( I missed it when I was in Germany)

So walt and his Dad are effected by death too.
Didn't know that about Jinn.

Locke was affected by sisters death but seems to over it. So it might be the
accident that took his legs that will be his link to death.

Hurley? Claire? Boone and Sharon? Sun? Do these people have links to or affected by a death? Other then the people that died on the plane?

 

[RoseRed495]

And supposedly the boar was Sawyer's 2nd chance...the dead guy became the boar based on what Locke said and he got another chance? And how does Locke seem to always know everything? lol

And if Sawyer had this "healing moment," he should have been willing to give Jack one, based on what Jack's father had told Sawyer.

I'm not a Sawyer fan, if that wasn't obvious. lol

However, I adore Charlie...I think his character is the most interesting probably. With the exception of such mysteries as Claire's baby, etc. I wish they would answer ONE question...I mean, we don't even know who bopped Sayid over the head many moons ago. Are we to assume it was Ethan? For a while, I thought it was Locke.

 

[USincognito]

Just one quick nitpick Billnew: Jack's dad was dead before they got on the plane so he couldn't be a survivor.

I enjoyed this Sawyer episode much more than the first one. And if anything I liked it because I finally noticed Josh Holloway is left handed. I noticed it when he went to kill shrimp Sawyer (who turned out not to be) and checked my still taped Charlie episode to find he drew on Ethan with his left. I need to check part 2 of the Pilot to see if he's fighting Sayeed using his left hand.

The plot twist wasn't as much of a stunner as some of the other episodes, but I didn't quite see it coming. I was watching Scrubs while I taped the first half-hour and flipping back and forth. When I saw the "I never..." part, I was first under the impression that Sawyer hadn't killed anyone. After I rewatched the whole show it made sense, but Robert Patrick's character is still a bit of an enigma. Did he set Sawyer up to pull off an assasination for him?

I think the boar was huge because it was Saywer's collective guilt about his past from his parents murder/suicide, to him becoming a grifter to killing the wrong man. The scene where he was hiding under his bed and his father comes in and turns into the boar leads me to conclude that was it's symbolism.

The guy yelling at the airport in Jin and Sun's episode was Jack trying to get his fathers corpse on the plane while the Oceanic staffer was telling him no.

(Anyone else who's ever watched Animal House always wanting to say "Boone and Katie" rather than Boone and Shannon?)

Sawyer might be a con-man with a heart of gold, but he's still a con-man and I think that's why he didn't fully come clean with Sayeed about the voices or tell Jack he met his father in the bar. He keeps his hand close to the vest.