Losing the fear of an eternal hell

[Der Alte]

What about the wood, hay and stubble? What of those who are as one escaping through the flames? (total loss)

What about the wood, hay and stubble? What of those who are as one escaping through the flames? (total loss)

1 Cor 3:15 is often quoted, out of context, as a proof text of UR. But when read in context it is clear that it only refers to believers, cf. vs. 9, "labourers together with God, God's husbandry and God's building" not all mankind.

1 Corinthians 3:9-17​

(9) For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building.​

(10) According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.​

(11) For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.​

(12) Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;​

(13) Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.​

(14) If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.​

(15) If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.(16) Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?​

(17) If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.​

The work mentioned in this passage is not the ordinary, mundane works of the unsaved but the works of "labourers together with God, God's husbandry and God's building" who build on the foundation of Jesus Christ vs.11. This passage does not support UR because vs. 17 says "If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy..."

 

[Der Alte]

No, but He didn't speak in badly translated English either. Think talking to a Frenchman using only Google Translate. How well is that going to work out?
Btw, people who disagree with you are not calling God a "liar". That is merely a sign of your insecurity in your own beliefs.

That is a handy cop-out that many heterodox religious groups fall back on, when scripture does not say what they want it to. Some groups even have their own "correct" translations such as JST, NWT.

 

[public hermit]

If you were in Christ you'd realize these two statements don't contridict each other, they compliment each other. But since you're insistent on being nude in front of everyone, showing your sin and shame to all the world, and teaching others to do likewise in the name of the scriptures, God is not your master and you will not endure sound doctrine. God will continue to puzzle you and His Word will flee from you until you take Christ seriously.

Lord, have mercy, indeed.

Now, now, questioning another's faith is not allowed. I'm certain I was not being nude, but I can understand if that seemed rude.

Since you have taken up the mantle of judge, in front of God and everybody, then you can explain how those statements are not contradictory but complimentary. I will await your clarification. Thank you!

 

[public hermit]

Actually, it is allowed.

"For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge? God judges those outside. “Purge the evil person from among you.” 1 Corinthians 5:12-13

I am purging the evil. As per you :



This right here. This is ungodly. I shouldn't have to explain this to you but I will. Any time the Bible speaks about nakedness it is syonymous with shame and sin. But you knew that already and you continue to push these lies to others.

One who makes a practice of unrighteousness is going to miss the target on God's Word. That's you. That's all I was saying.

I appreciate that you have opinions, but it's disheartening that you cannot explain your claim. It was said so forcefully made that I was sure you would relish the opportunity the explain it to me. Perhaps it was just cymbal clanging?

 

[public hermit]

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[FineLinen]

This is false teaching. There is a narrow road and a wide road. Both with different destinations.

“And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.” Matt 25:46


Can you express to us the context of St. Matthew 25?

Questions =

1. Why clean virgins (5 wise & 5 unwise)?

2. Why two clean animals (sheep & goats) ?

3. Why not sheep & pigs (one clean one unclean)?

 

[Der Alte]

This is false teaching. There is a narrow road and a wide road. Both with different destinations.
“And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.” Matt 25:46
The Lake Of Fire goes on forever, and all who denied Christ will go there.
“And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.” “They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.” Rev 20:10, 15
Try using scripture next time.

Part of the difficulty here is some folks claim that "aionios kolasis" translated "eternal punishment" in Matthew 25:46 does not mean "eternal punishment" but [supposedly] means "correction of the age" or "age during correction." One problem with this is "aionios" is an adjective and "age" is a noun. We can't translate an adjective with a noun.
As for "kolasis" translated "punishment" in Matt 25:46 it occurs one other time in the NT 1 John 4:18 where it is translated "torment."

1 John 4:18
(18) There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. [κόλασις] He that feareth is not made perfect in love.​

The one who has "kolasis" is not made perfect, no correction.
The word "correction" occurs one time in the NT. 2 Tim 3:16, it is written in Greek "epanorthosis." Which is nothing like "kolasis."

2 Timothy 3:16
(16) All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction [ἐπανόρθωσις], for instruction in righteousness:​

The word "prune" does not occur in the NT.

 

[FineLinen]

The Lake Of Fire goes on forever, and all who denied Christ will go there.

“And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.” “They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.” Rev 20:10, 15

Can you tell us what are the defining characteristics of the Lake of Fire?

Questions =

1. What does the root koine theion mean?

2. What does theiou mean?

3. Our God is consuming fire. How does the Lake compare with our God the consuming fire?

 

[Lost Witness]

"There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear; for fear has to do with punishment, and whoever fears has not reached perfection in love." 1 John 4:18

Jesus we the infinite breadth and length and height of God’s love for us. That's why the Bible urges us to fully embrace our faith because only then can we begin to trust and rest in God's love. "There is no fear in love."

The name "Noah" comes from the Hebrew word "Noach" which means "rest" or "repose", and perhaps resting in God's love is the true meaning of embarking on God's Ark.

Fear robs us of our assurance of God’s love. Every time we doubt His love we step into the realm of fear, and our relationship with God is stolen from us. And this is all that we get from the concept of Eternal Conscious Torment (ECT). The gift that keeps on giving /s.

So don't be afraid that God is going to torment or throw us in a literal lake of fire. He's not that sort of guy. He is as He is in Jesus so we can confidently throw such fears away.

"Indeed, I have given you authority to tread on snakes and scorpions and over all the power of the enemy, and nothing will hurt you." Luke 10:19.

So let's put the fear of eternal hell under our feet and stamp the notion out once and for all.

Mark 9:44 Hells Real regardlesss as to what you want to call it. Matthew 22:14 not everyone that calls themselves christian have a relationship with GOD. Hebrews 3:15 Must obey his voice.

 

[Hmm]

Ah, the "we can't understand the Bible because it was translated incorrectly" viewpoint.

You think English translations of the Bible are error free?

Stop listening to your college,

I'm flattered that you think I go to college but I don't.

let the fear of God into your heart, repent and be saved.

Sound's lovely. Tell me how to let the fear of God into my heart exactly and I'll certainly give it a go.

 

[Hmm]

Matthew 22:14 not everyone that calls themselves christian have a relationship with GOD.

We all have a relationship with God because we are all His children even, horror of horrors, atheists. The only question is whether it's a healthy one or not.

 

[Lost Witness]

We all have a relationship with God because we are all His children even, horror of horrors, atheists. The only question is whether it's a healthy one or not.

Matthew 7:21-23

 

[Hmm]

Matthew 7:21-23

The Bible

 

[Lost Witness]

The Bible

Hebrews 3:15 you must obey his 'still' small voice

 

[Hmm]

Hebrews 3:15 you must obey his 'still' small voice

Yes, we must.

 

[Lost Witness]

 

[Hmm]

You don’t know the fear of God so therefore you don’t know Him at all, according to scripture.

That's what I'm saying. I don't know the fear of God but I don't want to be missing out so I'm asking you to explain what it's like and how I can get it. I'm very disappointed that you're not telling me Don't I deserve to be filled with fear, is that it?

 

[Lost Witness]

 

[Hmm]

You’re... naked, and don’t even realize it.

I'm on a train at the moment so I think I probably would realise it if I was naked, or have some suspicion at least.

 

[public hermit]

At least you finally admit it.

Oh Jared, you're so funny. I bet you're a hoot at parties. And again, I want to thank you for blessing me with all the attention by following me around the forums and telling me how horrible I am. I'm blushing!