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Looking for the right denomination for me...

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Nantzie

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I've got lots of questions...

I started going to a non-denominational church earlier this year and just love it. I've always believed in God and Jesus, but only this year did I take the leap and start going to church. This church is a "born-again Christian" church. I've always been drawn to church.

I became a "born-again Christian" as I was sitting in my living room praying sometime in mid-October of this year. I knew I was making a greater commitment to God, and I feel that I am forever changed by making this commitment. I will never forget it. Although I don't remember the exact day like a lot of people do, I remember everything else about the experience and I will be forever grateful for it.

The one thing that "sticks in my craw" is the part of being a born-again Christian that says that unless someone specifically becomes a born-again Christian that they will go to hell. I'm not sure if this is just specific to certain churches or not.

My father recently died of stomach cancer. Through prayer and the Love and Grace of God, he was able to come to know, accept and love God. My dad died three minutes after midnight early on December 26th. He only let go of this life when he heard me tell him that Christmas was over and he didn't have to hold on anymore; that he could let go and be with God. I deeply believe that God was answering my prayers about my Dad's salvation, and that He was telling me, and the rest of my Dad's family that my dad was truly Born Again. It was the best Christmas gift I will ever receive.

But.... Is there a specific denomination which believes in the greater commitment of being a Born Again Christian (or some similar function), but also allows for a post-death period where a person has a chance to either accept Jesus or not? I feel that while my dad was in a coma during the last couple of days, a LOT of stuff was going on for him on a spiritual level, and that was when he accepted God. I know that wasn't post-death, but I know I've heard of a denomination where there is this allowance for another chance.

While my dad was sick, and as I was going through the uncertainty of whether he would accept God, I looked up the origins of the Born-Again movement of Christianity. It originated in the mid-1800's during the Welsh Revivals and became very popular in the United States during the early 1900's. So it's a pretty recent denomination. But even though it can be traced to the mid-1800's specifically, I'm sure its roots go back much further than that. I really believe in the concept, but my brakes screach at the thought that such a sweet and thoughtful man such as my dad, who never hurt a fly, would have gone to hell if it weren't for him specifically accepting God at the 11th hour. I just don't believe that that's true. Maybe it's my way of protecting myself. I'm not sure. But I believe that God wouldn't send good people to hell, even if they never came to accept Him before their death, as He would have wanted. I believe that after they die, and God is so very apparent and loving, not many people could, or would even want to, reject Him. I believe that that is what the whole "light at the end of the tunnel" experience that people report is. I believe that when people die, the tunnel thing happens, and they are shown the enormity and vastness of God's love for them. Any good and kind person would fall down in worship of God. It is only the people who have truly been evil in their lives that would turn away in shame and anger, and would be sent to their eternal hell.

It isn't that I want to disobey or doubt God. I just want to know more. I was just curious if there was a specific denomination out there that fits my own beliefs more closely. If there isn't, I will still continue to go to the church that I have been going to, but I would like to hear if there is something else out there.

Any thoughts? Debates? Talking points?

Thanks so much....

Nancy
 

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Nancy I have terrific news for you.As I was reading your message,the Holy Spirit confirmed that your prayers have been answered and your father will receive salvation even though he was not a Christian as the church would define the label.:bow:

It's not necessary for you to find another church if your pastor accepts the teachings in the Book of Revelation.The public church teaching on salvation makes many non-Christians look upon Christianity with contempt because it makes God appear to be both evil and completely irrational.If only those who call themselves Christian receive salvation,then every person mentioned in the Old Testament and some in the New Testament,including Joseph,Jesus' earthly father who died before Jesus started His ministry;will be sent to hell.

The Book of Revelation describes the salvation process.It goes like this:At the end of Jesus' 1000 year kingdom on earth,the Judgement or salvation trial will be held.With the exception of a very small number of people who are sent to heaven or hell upon death because of their overwhelming goodness or evil,all of humanity,including those who are dead,will be raised and required to appear personally before Jesus for a decision on their fate.If persons have led basically good lives,they will receive salvation,even if they were not Christians while living,if they are willing to accept Jesus as their savior and participate in a water baptism ceremony before their trial ends..This is how Jesus will show His mercy and compassion,not hate and spiritual bigotry by rejecting even those who had no chance to become a Christian due to the time and place of their birth, as some are taught.
 
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Christ's Minister,

First of all, I want to thank you so much for praying to hear if my Dad had been saved. Thank you for sharing the good news. It was what I had received in prayer myself, but I was always concerned that it was just because that's what I wanted to hear. Thank you for praying for him.

That being said.... What you wrote is exactly what I thought was true. Exactly. I could have written it myself.

I'm wondering what denomination you are; if you don't mind sharing. I see by your info that you're non-denominational, but is there a more specific description of your beliefs?

I've been trying to narrow down a denomination that fits what I believe. What you wrote about hit the nail on the head on what I believe about that particular subject.

I also believe in a post-tribulation rapture. I know this is a "whole 'nother show", but I've been reading up on it tonight and have discovered that that is what my particular belief is called.

I would like to find a church or denomination that believes exactly as I do, but I am old enough that I don't have to be right about everything.... ish... :)

Thanks again for your help and encouragement.

:D

Nancy
 
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Ask God to show you where to serve Him and where to grow in the knowledge of Him. Find a place that gives more than lip service to God. One that takes actions to truth, giving wheels to faith.
Reading that Bible and then asking God in prayer is good advice. If you read the Bible and ask for the Holy Spirit who will lead you into all truth, I don't think any cult of dead group will be able to fool you and lull you into sleep with false security. I will pray for you. Add your prayers to mine, and we will agree for an answer from the Lord. He will protect and keep you.

2Ti 1:12 For this reason I also suffer these things; nevertheless I am not ashamed, for I know whom I have believed and am persuaded that He is able to keep what I have committed to Him until that Day.

I JOHN 3:16 This is how we know what love is: Jesus Christ laid down his life for us. And we ought to lay down our lives for our brothers. If anyone has material possessions and sees his brother in need but has no pity on him, how can the love of God be in him? Dear children let us not love in words or tongue but with ACTIONS and truth.
 
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Nantzie

well,
as much as i can understand why you feel the way you do, i dont think we have much choice in what we believe.

what Christs minister said simply isnt true, no matter how well meant it was.

you dont have to be overwhelmingly evil, to go hell.

the bible says in the book of romans that those who perish without the law, still perish, its just without the law. they wont be judged as severally, but they dont go to heavon.

the bible describes people who disobeyed God by going and burying their parents or other "normal" things... and they ended up in outer darkness. not some nuetral place.
not becuase God got mad and smashed em, but being born again is the only way... thats why the bible says that Jesus is the way, he was the ransom, in him are all men made free, if you dont partake of Christ... you cant see the Lord.

the bible says that without holiness no man shall see the Lord.
Jesus said that no man comes unto the father except through him.


Jesus squarely told nicodemus that the only way to be saved was to be born again.

the bible says it is appointed unto men once to die, and then the judgment.

thats how it works, you die... and then the judgement, there just isnt any period in between to make resolution.

Jesus told a story of a rich man, and that rich man died... and he found himself in hell, there was no period of resolution or decision.

i just dont see any other way to believe.
and believing this, it means that God will deal severelly with me, if i do not do my job and be a witness.

thats why the bible says unless a preacher be sent, how can they be saved? becuase how can they have faith if they have not heard? and how can they hear if a preacher isnt sent?

thats why the bible says that we who have been reconciled to Christ have now been given the ministry of reconciliation... its our job to save the Lost.


will there be a chance after death to accept Christ?
i dont know, part of me hopes so... but i just dont know of one supported by the scripture. i just dont see it. if there is, then good.

but what i do know,
is that unless you are born again, you cannot see the father. you will not be saved. the bible says the remission of sins can only be done by the shedding of blood, if you dont have Christs blood on your life, there is no hope.

and the obligation rests on us, to do all we can to pray and save the Lost.
 
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Christ's Minister said:
Nancy I have terrific news for you.As I was reading your message,the Holy Spirit confirmed that your prayers have been answered and your father will receive salvation even though he was not a Christian as the church would define the label.:bow:

It's not necessary for you to find another church if your pastor accepts the teachings in the Book of Revelation.The public church teaching on salvation makes many non-Christians look upon Christianity with contempt because it makes God appear to be both evil and completely irrational.If only those who call themselves Christian receive salvation,then every person mentioned in the Old Testament and some in the New Testament,including Joseph,Jesus' earthly father who died before Jesus started His ministry;will be sent to hell.

The Book of Revelation describes the salvation process.It goes like this:At the end of Jesus' 1000 year kingdom on earth,the Judgement or salvation trial will be held.With the exception of a very small number of people who are sent to heaven or hell upon death because of their overwhelming goodness or evil,all of humanity,including those who are dead,will be raised and required to appear personally before Jesus for a decision on their fate.If persons have led basically good lives,they will receive salvation,even if they were not Christians while living,if they are willing to accept Jesus as their savior and participate in a water baptism ceremony before their trial ends..This is how Jesus will show His mercy and compassion,not hate and spiritual bigotry by rejecting even those who had no chance to become a Christian due to the time and place of their birth, as some are taught.
:scratch: Where in the Bible did you find any of this? Especially the part about a chance to be saed after Jesus' 1000 year kingdom. Thanks!
 
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