looking for a verse

[A New Day]

Is there a verse in the bible that mentions to respect the creation?

 

[St_Worm2]

Is there a verse in the bible that mentions to respect the creation?

How about:

"The Lord God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden
to work it and take care of it."
Genesis 2:15​

Also, see Psalm 8:3-8.

--David

 

[A New Day]

Thank you St_Worm2 that was right you find it.

3 When I consider your heavens,
the work of your fingers,
the moon and the stars,
which you have set in place,
4 what is mankind that you are mindful of them,
human beings that you care for them?[a]
5 You have made them a little lower than the angels[c]
and crowned them[d] with glory and honor.
6 You made them rulers over the works of your hands;
you put everything under their[e] feet:
7 all flocks and herds,
and the animals of the wild,
8 the birds in the sky,
and the fish in the sea,
all that swim the paths of the seas.

 

[SG9]

Is there a verse in the bible that mentions to respect the creation?

Is not the 5th commandment concerning our parents and to respect them? And then who are our first parents? I'm speaking of the first parents before the parents of pro-created flesh.

I believe that God is the Father and the earth is our mother from whom we were made of the dust of her. You should find this in Exodus chapter 20.

 

[A New Day]

SG9

Our first parents the first ancestors? The bible says that eve was the mother of all the living and adam is the first man so the father.
And If we say it figuratively, there are a lot of stuff like... God the Father is our father and the church or the knowledge of God are our mother.

You have 111 posts like your avatar.

 

[SG9]

SG9

Our first parents the first ancestors? The bible says that eve was the mother of all the living and adam is the first man so the father.
And If we say it figuratively, there are a lot of stuff like... God the Father is our father and the church or the knowledge of God are our mother.

You have 111 posts like your avatar.

Yes, you have good points, and figuratively as perhaps a parallel. My thought is that we came from the dust of the earth and she is where we return to the dust of the earth from where we were born from, born of flesh and spirit. The Spirit I believe would be God the Father and being that our flesh came from the earth I think of the first and most significant parents of all flesh. Yes, Eve was a mother but also believing that the beasts of the field were also humans, I then conclude that Eve was mother of an elite race while there were also them of a lesser, and perhaps heathen.

So the idea pends with the fact that we cannot return to the womb of our flesh-mother but we all return to the earth from where all flesh was made.

Your thoughts?

 

[A New Day]

a - I do not think that the earth is my mother because itself was created by God like i am a creation of God.

If I consider it to be a mother, it is like the other creation that is the direct mother of every one of us.

I mean that like when you respect your mother and you take care of her later the same is for the earth we respect it and we take care of it and we have a responsiblity for it the same like she nourishes us.

Saint Francis says it better than me:

Praised be You my Lord through our Sister,
Mother Earth
who sustains and governs us,
producing varied fruits with coloured flowers and herbs.
Praise be You my Lord through those who grant pardon for love of You and bear sickness and trial.

b - Of course, that does not build the person spiritually, because in the end we will return to God and the body will stay/return to the earth, in another word we are from God and the body is from the earth.

I think that the earth is clean itself because God made it holy but the sin in the world defiles the creation and like it is written: The Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth. Genesis 6:5

That arises a question dear SG9 and i would like to hear it from you, when Jesus said: Matthew 18:9 And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you. It is better for you to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes, to be cast into hell fire.

Is that verse symbolic or literal, do we enter the heaven with our body?

 

[SG9]

a - I do not think that the earth is my mother because itself was created by God like i am a creation of God.

If I consider it to be a mother, it is like the other creation that is the direct mother of every one of us.

I mean that like when you respect your mother and you take care of her later the same is for the earth we respect it and we take care of it and we have a responsiblity for it the same like she nourishes us.

Saint Francis says it better than me:

Praised be You my Lord through our Sister,
Mother Earth
who sustains and governs us,
producing varied fruits with coloured flowers and herbs.
Praise be You my Lord through those who grant pardon for love of You and bear sickness and trial.

b - Of course, that does not build the person spiritually, because in the end we will return to God and the body will stay/return to the earth, in another word we are from God and the body is from the earth.

I think that the earth is clean itself because God made it holy but the sin in the world defiles the creation and like it is written: The Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth. Genesis 6:5

That arises a question dear SG9 and i would like to hear it from you, when Jesus said: Matthew 18:9 And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you. It is better for you to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes, to be cast into hell fire.

Is that verse symbolic or literal, do we enter the heaven with our body?

I believe that it has dual or multi-interpretations meaning that it is both natures as physical and spiritual, perhaps?

I don't intend to convince you but was kind of offering my thoughts and exercising your mind on the fact that we are not obligated to believe other people. I hope that you don't misread my thoughts on this and I would rather be content with just saying I don't disagree with a greater part of your post but to say that I too hold these things in mind as part of a continuation of a parallel model of our parents. You said that we came from earth and do return to earth and our spirits return to God, and this I understand and agree with; if you agree that we are flesh and live and die and our spirits return to God, then is that where we first came from? Did God say that he knew us even before the foundation of the earth? If you really want to get technical then tell me how we existed then before flesh and your biological parents?

This are the points that I was hoping to convey with a shortage of time to word it out, sorry. So, I offer my thoughts and ask a few questions to stir people's mind's, not to intimidate but to reason things out in hope that between a few people a better understanding can bring greater lights.

Thanks

 

[A New Day]

Dear SG9

He knew us before the foundation of the earth because we are from him, he said: I am the good shepherd. I know my own and my own know me, John 10:14

Our souls are from him the same as he put his Spirit in the first Adam, and in the womb of Mary for the only Son of God Jesus the full wisdom of God that was before the creation.

I think it is not a good idea to over respect the earth lest it becomes a second God. After all we and everything lives by God and without him there is nothing so why not look at him instead.

 

[SG9]

Dear SG9

He knew us before the foundation of the earth because we are from him, he said: I am the good shepherd. I know my own and my own know me, John 10:14

Our souls are from him the same as he put his Spirit in the first Adam, and in the womb of Mary for the only Son of God Jesus the full wisdom of God that was before the creation.

I think it is not a good idea to over respect the earth lest it becomes a second God. After all we and everything lives by God and without him there is nothing so why not look at him instead.

Hi, thanks, but I think John 10:14 is out of context with God knowing us before we knew him because we were not a conscience mind in flesh then, so then what? Many things can be a god to us and we to ourselves but let's not make two gods from this or miss the point when I have identified God as the Father and earth as the mother. Where have I made comment to this effect? I see words being placed in my mouth here, this is not good.

I appreciate your POV and I assure you that I think that it's impossible for any person to over respect the earth, I can't believe that but I can believe that we are able to disrespect her and our world is evident and with some part making efforts to attempt to change these things and all they do are continuing in the struggle to collect your donations for this society and that foundation and for this cause, and where does it end?

I agree with you in one POV but I see them in another order, is my point.

God knew us before we knew him, and before the foundation of the earth and before we took our first breath of air and before we spoke our first word and though John says that we know God? John is speaking of something else. I see that using scriptures is not helping so I fold in this game, and you can take what's on the table, you have it your way and be the winner because it doesn't matter what I think, and it shouldn't matter one way or another for your salvation; God said for us to work out our own salvation, and I'll buy that. It was a good discussion, thank you my friend

 

[A New Day]

I told you my position and your position about the mother earth is not clear yet.

1 - when you say that you believe that God is the Father and the earth is our mother, don’t you make the second equal to the first with that? the same like the father is equal to the mother in the parenting.

2 - SG9, I still think that John 10:14 can indicate that God knows us before the foundation of the earth. What makes it different than the verse Ephesians 1:4? I think that the difference is with us, how every person understands it.

3 - if your thoughts about the mother earth are from a kind of a knowledge do tell please, because their are thoughts that have their roots in the gentile practices that are still for today. And no I do not condemn a thing I only tell you that there are gentile practices today that include the over respect of the nature. At least you mention God.

4 – Dear SG9 the thing is that the earth is not our real home, without the soul there is no body and we pass on the earth for a reason before the return to our home. Please read 2 Corinthians 5 and Hebrews 11.

I think that it is ok to search for God in his creation and him only.

Finally I would like to add a verse John 4:23 Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshippers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshippers the Father seeks. 24 God is spirit, and his worshippers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.’

 

[SG9]

I told you my position and your position about the mother earth is not clear yet.

1 - when you say that you believe that God is the Father and the earth is our mother, don’t you make the second equal to the first with that? the same like the father is equal to the mother in the parenting.

2 - SG9, I still think that John 10:14 can indicate that God knows us before the foundation of the earth. What makes it different than the verse Ephesians 1:4? I think that the difference is with us, how every person understands it.

3 - if your thoughts about the mother earth are from a kind of a knowledge do tell please, because their are thoughts that have their roots in the gentile practices that are still for today. And no I do not condemn a thing I only tell you that there are gentile practices today that include the over respect of the nature. At least you mention God.

4 – Dear SG9 the thing is that the earth is not our real home, without the soul there is no body and we pass on the earth for a reason before the return to our home. Please read 2 Corinthians 5 and Hebrews 11.

I think that it is ok to search for God in his creation and him only.

Finally I would like to add a verse John 4:23 Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshippers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshippers the Father seeks. 24 God is spirit, and his worshippers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.’

Hello there, We have a slight misunderstanding that is probably the root cause of missing the point about the Father and his creation. In #1, your reasoning is incorrect because no creation is equal with the Creator, right?

Once you reason with this and think deeper then, perhaps you can understand my point regardless whether in agreement or not.

The problem that I am seeing is opposite to your warning. I believe that people are mistakenly exalting themselves over God by thinking that earth is equal with God, or anything that he created. I believe that all things have an order in the universe and God's law and I see an order in creation, and earth came as the mother. Have you considered the meaning of 'mother'? I know that you have but not in the light of equality of the Creator with his creation but in another order as I mentioned in a single line in post #10 so that it would stand out, did you take note of it? I know that it helps to explain things in another way and I hope this clears up the confusion of my point. Thanks

 

[SG9]

Dear A.N.D., I should add this in my defense. What should I believe on this? Thanks

Revelation 21:1-3
King James Version (KJV)
21 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

Also, there is a verse that says God will not bring a full end to earth, just the former things of earth pass away. God calls it ALL NEW because He Creates all that comes down from heaven, and the things from men are passed away when there is no more sea of corruption.

2 And I John saw the holy city (in contrast to the corrupted sea), new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.


Exodus 20:12
King James Version (KJV)
12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee.

God also speaks of a land that sounds like solid ground to me. I'm sure if we look at our biological parents as a parallel in the same fashion as we look at our mother earth who came before us and we from her, then we should have a better view of a parallel. I repeat that I am not excluding our biological parents, I going deeper as deep as to our God, and I am looking for the mother of our flesh in this picture and I see our mother earth. I repeat, from the two of them we came and to the two of them we return; now, where is the biological parents in this picture? I believe that the biological parents are secondary to the first from who they also came from, and those are the Parents of all things made on this earth, we are here, not somewhere else, and here is where it seems that we stay according to Revelation 21:1-3. Thanks

I want to also note that the scripture that I highlighted in red says that the new Jerusalem comes down from God and out of heaven to be here on earth as the new and after the former has passed away. It doesn't appear that we have passed through that time yet called the millennium of 1000 yrs here on earth with God and before that final battle in the end when God brings fire down from heaven and destroys the Antichrist, False Prophet and their remnant [Rev 19]. We have some time yet to pass through and yet it will be with God and even while He is in heaven. The Tabernacle of God is with men, not the Father in heaven because no man has seen God and lived so then He must come as Son of man, and this means a man in flesh as the tabernacle where the Spirit of God will dwell with man, so in agreement we must worship the Spirit of God whom will be in the tabernacle of man that comes down from heaven with the glory of the Father. We will dwell with the Messiah as a man who has the Spirit of God that came down out of heaven and from God. The word 'From' is suggesting that God is still in heaven if He is sending and it comes from Him. These are the little things that the majority overlook in these verses.

 

[A New Day]

Thank you all was well until when you come to Exodus 20:12. Read please.

Exodus 20:12
King James Version (KJV)
12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee.

- If the father is the biological father and the land is the mother earth, where is the place of the biological mother? with this thought, the verse must mean that the Father is that in the heaven and the mother is the earth.

But there is a big problem with that, read Exodus 21:15
And he that smiteth his father, or his mother, shall be surely put to death.

Who can strike the father that is in the heaven?

We end up without thinking of mother to be the earth in Exodus 20:12 that means our actual fathers and our actual mothers, we must honour those.

I'm sure if we look at our biological parents as a parallel in the same fashion as we look at our mother earth who came before us and we from her, then we should have a better view of a parallel. I repeat that
I am not excluding our biological parents

...

I believe that the biological parents are secondary to the first from who they also came from

sometimes parallel and sometimes secondary? I did not understand anyway the earth is a creation like us today and the future earth too.

Dear SG9 How do you explain: on earth as it is in heaven?

 

[SG9]

Thank you all was well until when you come to Exodus 20:12. Read please.



- If the father is the biological father and the land is the mother earth, where is the place of the biological mother? with this thought, the verse must mean that the Father is that in the heaven and the mother is the earth.

But there is a big problem with that, read Exodus 21:15
And he that smiteth his father, or his mother, shall be surely put to death.

Who can strike the father that is in the heaven?

We end up without thinking of mother to be the earth in Exodus 20:12 that means our actual fathers and our actual mothers, we must honour those.



sometimes parallel and sometimes secondary? I did not understand anyway the earth is a creation like us today and the future earth too.

Dear SG9 How do you explain: on earth as it is in heaven?

I'm sorry to hear this, it would be nice to get back on track. so I'll have to ignore the last question, as well. it will only confuse things more. And I ask to avoid rhetoric because it's putting words in my mouth. Thanks

Starting with your first paragraph: the father cannot be biological, where do you find this idea? how and why would you even suggest that I believe this? please read all of my posts again before your next reply. To bring this in has only collapsed the house of cards that we were building. let's not look at God who is Spirit as biological, the flesh means nothing to God in comparison to his Spirit that is supposed to be in us.

To persistently believe that the biological flesh comes before the father or mother earth is blasphemous because it brings God down to the level of flesh, and this sort of thinking is spiritually fatal. That order is not the same as they were created, and changing that will not allow any light to shine from further discussion. This would be a perfect example where a christian would unknowingly teach errors and causing others to fall while he thinks that he's doing God's good works.

Those who save their flesh lose their souls and so; it's better to pluck away the fleshy parts to save the spirit and enter heaven, and so. there are many more as you know.

It's a matter of perspective, and not to ask you to change your belief. A person tries on a variety of glasses before deciding which helps to see best, and so. you ask, where are the biological parent in your model?, (the model that you wrongfully constructed from suggesting that God is biological) and my answer is, they are with the rest of the human race in any scenario that you perceive, and I counter ask, what makes them so special or different to be above or exalted above the other humans, the Father who is Spirit and the earth from where we all came? Thanks

I add: God is honorable and Earth is honorable and always deserve the honorable respect in return but when it comes to the biological parent they too must be honorable to deserve any honor. Are the mothers who kill their toddler children, honorable? What has the child done to dishonor their parent and be deserving of death?

Honoring the flesh where it is due is conditional but it is never conditional concerning God and mother earth. She isn't called 'mother' for foolishness.

I hardly believe that we should think to ignore God and Earth, and perhaps, this is why the world has turned from God and are destroying the earth because we have lost sight of them and for the lack of respect and honor? Thanks

 

[A New Day]

hello you misunderstood my thought too, I did not mean that God is our biological father.

Read my previous reply once more? Or i will repeat here:
the father and the mother in Exodus 20:12 are our direct biological parents, the same for Exodus 21:15.
In an other word: Those two verses speak to honour our direct parents.

That is what those 2 verses say for me. And not even the theories that I thought that you have them include that God is a biological father.

Ok I will not assume what you are trying to tell me, instead of that allow me to ask you a 1 direct question please.
Who is the mother and who is the father in Exodus 20:12?

Can you clearly answer the question because you mentioned that verse at least? Thank you.

 

[SG9]

I'm sorry to hear this, it would be nice to get back on track. so I'll have to ignore the last question, as well. it will only confuse things more. And I ask to avoid rhetoric because it's putting words in my mouth. Thanks

Starting with your first paragraph: the father cannot be biological, where do you find this idea? how and why would you even suggest that I believe this? please read all of my posts again before your next reply. To bring this in has only collapsed the house of cards that we were building. let's not look at God who is Spirit as biological, the flesh means nothing to God in comparison to his Spirit that is supposed to be in us.

To persistently believe that the biological flesh comes before the father or mother earth is blasphemous because it brings God down to the level of flesh, and this sort of thinking is spiritually fatal. That order is not the same as they were created, and changing that will not allow any light to shine from further discussion. This would be a perfect example where a christian would unknowingly teach errors and causing others to fall while he thinks that he's doing God's good works.

Those who save their flesh lose their souls and so; it's better to pluck away the fleshy parts to save the spirit and enter heaven, and so. there are many more as you know.

It's a matter of perspective, and not to ask you to change your belief. A person tries on a variety of glasses before deciding which helps to see best, and so. you ask, where are the biological parent in your model?, (the model that you wrongfully constructed from suggesting that God is biological) and my answer is, they are with the rest of the human race in any scenario that you perceive, and I counter ask, what makes them so special or different to be above or exalted above the other humans, the Father who is Spirit and the earth from where we all came? Thanks

I add: God is honorable and Earth is honorable and always deserve the honorable respect in return but when it comes to the biological parent they too must be honorable to deserve any honor. Are the mothers who kill their toddler children, honorable? What has the child done to dishonor their parent and be deserving of death?

Honoring the flesh where it is due is conditional but it is never conditional concerning God and mother earth. She isn't called 'mother' for foolishness.

I hardly believe that we should think to ignore God and Earth, and perhaps, this is why the world has turned from God and are destroying the earth because we have lost sight of them and for the lack of respect and honor? Thanks

The answer to your question is in the same post. I highlighted it in red.

hello you misunderstood my thought too, I did not mean that God is our biological father.

Read my previous reply once more? Or i will repeat here:
the father and the mother in Exodus 20:12 are our direct biological parents, the same for Exodus 21:15.
In an other word: Those two verses speak to honour our direct parents.

That is what those 2 verses say for me. And not even the theories that I thought that you have them include that God is a biological father.

Ok I will not assume what you are trying to tell me, instead of that allow me to ask you a 1 direct question please.
Who is the mother and who is the father in Exodus 20:12?

Can you clearly answer the question because you mentioned that verse at least? Thank you.

This question has been defined in great length and brings us back to square-one. What can I say now? Thanks

 

[A New Day]

you ask, where are the biological parent in your model?, (the model that you wrongfully constructed from suggesting that God is biological) and my answer is, they are with the rest of the human race in any scenario that you perceive, and I counter ask, what makes them so special or different to be above or exalted above the other humans, the Father who is Spirit and the earth from where we all came?

Can you be more precise dear SG9? If you have a thought why not make it clear instead of let me to assume what you try to tell me?

a - However i did not mention that God is our biological father, where did i say that?

b - I assume what your red answer meant, does that red answer that you said mean that the father is our Father who is Spirit and the mother is the earth in Exodus 20:12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee.

If that is what you mean then I repeat what I said to you:

There is a big problem with that thought, and the reason is an other sentence and that is Exodus 21:15
And he that smiteth his father, or his mother, shall be surely put to death.

No one can strike the father that is in the heaven so That makes it clear that that father is not God and that mother is not the earth in Exodus 20:12.

 

[SG9]

Can you be more precise dear SG9? If you have a thought why not make it clear instead of let me to assume what you try to tell me?

a - However i did not mention that God is our biological father, where did i say that?

b - I assume what your red answer meant, does that red answer that you said mean that the father is our Father who is Spirit and the mother is the earth in Exodus 20:12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee.

If that is what you mean then I repeat what I said to you:

There is a big problem with that thought, and the reason is an other sentence and that is Exodus 21:15
And he that smiteth his father, or his mother, shall be surely put to death.

No one can strike the father that is in the heaven so That makes it clear that that father is not God and that mother is not the earth in Exodus 20:12.

Well my friend, there are too many assumptions about what you wrote and what I wrote, as if there is a serious communication breakdown here, and I'm not able to give sound replies on assumptions.

The real problem is that some scriptures are taken only at face value and exactly as they're written without looking at the bigger picture of the parenting roles in creation. Your emphasis is restricted to only the flesh.

Yes, the Father is smitten at any time that His children are afflicted; God feels the pain and sorrow for even one fallen sparrow and how much less is He concerned for us? Yes, God feels the pain that we suffer and He didn't create the plan of salvation for foolishness but to save us who are afflicted.

There are other issues involved here and I for one look beyond the flesh in this picture. And in this case of putting the flesh before the Spirit of God and our mother of all creation we are then exalting flesh over God, and this is exactly what 'smiting God' means, this is how God is smitten by false doctrines.

Yes, our sin does effect God, and to say that He cannot be affected by it is untrue. Thanks