Look what I found:

[plindboe]

Either that, or you can believe in them because God documented them --- it's your call.

Do you believe in fairies?

Fair enough --- don't go to the doctor if you think you have a problem, he just may generate some evidence on paper that something is there --- and you might accidentally see it.

If there's evidence (i.e. symptoms) that I have an illness then there's plenty of evidence (statistics and studies) to suggest that seeking a doctor is my best choice.

Peter

 

[AV1611VET]

Do you believe in fairies?

Does the Documentation mention fairies?

If not, and if science doesn't mention them, I'll suspend judgment.

If there's evidence (i.e. symptoms) that I have an illness then there's plenty of evidence (statistics and studies) to suggest that seeking a doctor is my best choice.

So much for preventive medicine or early checkups, eh?

 

[plindboe]

Does the Documentation mention fairies?

If not, and if science doesn't mention them, I'll suspend judgment.

I'm suspending judgement on fairies too, as well as angels. When one is suspending judgement on something, one is not holding a belief.

So much for preventive medicine or early checkups, eh?

Statistics=evidence.

Peter

 

[Nathan Poe]

Until they can see every cubic centimeter of this universe, and see it simultaneously, they have no right to say God doesn't exist.

So, in which cubic centimeter of the universe is your God hiding from us in?

 

[Lord Emsworth]

Until they can see every cubic centimeter of this universe, and see it simultaneously, they have no right to say God doesn't exist.

Come back when you have found something in one of those cubic centimeters that shows that the logically impossible can exist.

 

[AV1611VET]

Come back when you have found something in one of those cubic centimeters that shows that the logically impossible can exist.

I don't need to.

According to you guys, who claim you walk by sight, you have no call to claim something doesn't exist until you can see the entire universe simultaneously.

We know you're not going to find Him in your telescopes --- you guys just don't know it.

 

[Nathan Poe]

I don't need to.

According to you guys, who claim you walk by sight, you have no call to claim something doesn't exist until you can see the entire universe simultaneously.

We know you're not going to find Him in your telescopes --- you guys just don't know it.

So, we know we're not going to find Him directly

Your "apple challenge" proves we're not going to find Him because he leaves no traces behind...

It's really starting to sound like whether or not He's actually out there is a moot point -- A god that does nothing is pretty much the same as no God at all.

 

[Cabal]

I don't need to.

According to you guys, who claim you walk by sight, you have no call to claim something doesn't exist until you can see the entire universe simultaneously.

We know you're not going to find Him in your telescopes --- you guys just don't know it.

If He's everywhere, then one cubic centimeter would be enough.

Seriously, AV, don't bother throwing out these implausible and impossible standards when it makes bugger-all difference to you or anyone whether or not they're satisfied.

Last time I checked, it was literalists like yourself that were going around insisting that God etc were empirical and that the Bible is literally and perfectly in sync with science - not atheistic scientists.

 

[AV1611VET]

So, we know we're not going to find Him directly

No, you don't --- unless you're taking the Bible's Word on it.

Your "apple challenge" proves we're not going to find Him because he leaves no traces behind...

Show me GOD in my Apple Challenge ---- or that I was even talking about the Creation Week.

I even mentioned an Omphalos apple in my reply to LE[sub]?[/sub] --- I'm wondering if you caught that.

 

[Lord Emsworth]

I don't need to.

According to you guys, who claim you walk by sight, you have no call to claim something doesn't exist until you can see the entire universe simultaneously.

We know you're not going to find Him in your telescopes --- you guys just don't know it.

I know there won't be any God found in any telescope. Very, very well. I am a strong atheist/ignostic after all. For the rest I can only repeat myself.

Come back when you have found something in one of those cubic centimeters that shows that the logically impossible can exist.

When.

 

[AV1611VET]

Last time I checked, it was literalists like yourself that were going around insisting that God etc were empirical and that the Bible is literally and perfectly in sync with science - not atheistic scientists.

God is transcendent, and I have a feeling you know that.

 

[Nathan Poe]

No, you don't --- unless you're taking the Bible's Word on it.

Why capitalize "Word"?

Oh, that's right -- the Bible is your God.

Show me GOD in my Apple Challenge ---- or that I was even talking about the Creation Week.

Is it your contention, AV, that your Apple challenge has nothing to do with God?

I should've known there was a reason your scenario gives yourself the power of ex-nihilo creation.

I even mentioned an Omphalos apple in my reply to LE[sub]?[/sub] --- I'm wondering if you caught that.

AV, your ideas are saturated with Omphalos -- it's hard to notice a specific instance anymore.

 

[maybenotcrazy]

What is the universe inside? Clearly there must be something far larger, logically that holds us in or no?

Nothingness? come on, I've never heard of even a likeness to nothingness other than my own intelligence.

So To say based on logic there is nothing outside the universe is just hot air. I understand AV's point

about looking within the u. First of all to prove a negative about existence you must have positive

evidence that he doesn't exist. Now you must have simultaneous vision of the entire u. And even moreso

at the most fundamental level, he may be the size of an atom or less. He for all I care can be spread

throughout the thing diffusely. You aren't going to know unless you have hard data, that he doesn't exist

within the universe. Outside the universe is tricky, nobody knows what is or isn't there. Scientific american

says there may be many universes( spatially I don't understand that because if there is nothing, there is

no space either- or fill me in on that- or I'll just go read wikipedia like you will) God certainly did exist in the

universe at one time and you could have found him in israel 2000 years ago. The bible says he isn't here

yet so you won't find him but wait. I am not certain but judging by the way the world is heading towards

pure idolatry of money and mind and power we're almost at the point where he will be experimentally

detectable again. Or so I think... And by the way, God is within and without our universe as we speak,

he is the holy spirit. He is by no means detectable scientifically however and that is a big bugaboo.

 

[AV1611VET]

Why capitalize "Word"?

It seems a little inconsistent to capitalize Bible, but not Its pronouns.

However, I believe you are the English expert here, and if you say it's acceptable not to do so, then I'll take your word for it and stop capitalizing It.

 

[Hespera]

Maybenot!!! please!! breakup your writing into a few short paragraphs!!!!
Really if you have a message you will get more of it to more people that way.
Ok please? friends? .....ok?

 

[Naraoia]

Maybenot!!! please!! breakup your writing into a few short paragraphs!!!!
Really if you have a message you will get more of it to more people that way.
Ok please? friends? .....ok?

I was just going to write the exact same thing when I scrolled down and saw this.

 

[truthiness]

It seems a little inconsistent to capitalize Bible, but not Its pronouns.

However, I believe you are the English expert here, and if you say it's acceptable not to do so, then I'll take your word for it and stop capitalizing It.

I like it... that was a direct technique from Getting to Yes: How to Negotiate Agreement Without Giving In by Roger Fisher and William Ury.
Also known as passive misdirection.

 

[corvus_corax]

I don't --- I say He exists based on His own statements.

Originally Posted by Hebrews 11:6b

... for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.//quote


Your deity did not state that nor (more importantly) write that.
So you cannot use Hebrews 11:6 as evidence.
Heck, even if you believed that your personal deity STATED that (or even further, wrote it), you would have to provide objective empirical evidence to back up your assertion.

Ignore, for the moment, the remote possibility that your deity wrote that. Focus instead on YOUR statement that your deity STATED any such thing.
Objective empircal evidence is appreciated, as always

 

[AV1611VET]

Objective empircal evidence is appreciated, as always

Seeing is believing, eh?

 

[Nathan Poe]

It seems a little inconsistent to capitalize Bible, but not Its pronouns.

However, I believe you are the English expert here, and if you say it's acceptable not to do so, then I'll take your word for it and stop capitalizing It.

Indeed -- all proper names, including titles of books such as "Bible," are capitalized as a sign of respect. The only name in English that merits enough respect to get its pronouns capitalized as well is "God." That you choose to do the same to "Bible" only confirms what most of us already long since suspected.

(btw, "Word" is not a pronoun.)