Look at what this sheriff had to say...

[KitKatMatt]

Wouldn't they then need artificial parent technology to raise them afterward?

Maybe this is how we could solve the problem of the hundreds of thousands of children that are without families right now.

 

[PreachersWife2004]

Did not say they were hypocrites?

Since when is calling someone a hypocrite condemning them?

Right. And as I pointed out earlier, you missed the point of these protests. Black lives matter as much as white lives. When black kids are being killed, nationwide, by police, without reasonable cause, and nobody is held responsible, the insinuation is that the government doesn't believe black lives matter. The protest is a matter of justice. Protesting at an abortion clinic is not.

Again, put down the FoxNews.

I get that you hate Fox News, but it's not really my goto tank for news, so let's just get that off the table.

I think you fail to realize that white people are killed by cops too, sometimes even when turning a kitten over to a shelter. I get that a higher percentage of blacks are killed.

I see protesting abortion differently than you do.

Also when I fight for justice, I don't see color.

Do you? Do those who protest see the difference?

I don't understand the context of your question.

 

[JGG]

Since when is calling someone a hypocrite condemning them?

What do you think condemnation means?

I get that you hate Fox News, but it's not really my goto tank for news, so let's just get that off the table.

It isn't anyone's goto tank for news. It's their goto tank for opinion. Clearly, this time your opinion is provided by LifeNews.com. But that doesn't change the fact that you are making the same argument FoxNews made: If black people protest x then why don't they protest y? Which is ignorant of what the protest is about, and dismissive of the real issue we want to talk about. Can we honestly say that black people in our society get justice the way white people do? I would say no. Is that not something to be protested regardless of how one feels about abortion?

I think you fail to realize that white people are killed by cops too, sometimes even when turning a kitten over to a shelter. I get that a higher percentage of blacks are killed.

Right. And if the hashtag was poorpeopleslivesmatter would that significantly change the discussion?

I see protesting abortion differently than you do.

Really does that mean I cannot protest injustice?

Also when I fight for justice, I don't see color.

Yes, but do you? Afterall, you just told black people they couldn't protest injustice unless they also protested at abortion clinics. Are you now going to say that you protest injustice after telling us that you don't protest at abortion clinics?

I don't understand the context of your question.

No, I would imagine not.

 

[Euler]

Hmmm...I don't recall seeing any condemnation. Could you point me to it?

I can. And have. When you set out to label a group of people as hypocrites, without any justification for doing so, you are acting in condemnation of them.

Pretty basic really.

I believe that leaving out abortion (and black on black crime) when using a hashtag that states that blacklivesmatter is hypocritical.

How do you know it was "left out"? How do you know those protestors aren't as critical of abortion as you are?

That is the summation of my argument. I don't think that's condemning anyone.

Your argument is in shreds. All you have left is posturing.

I said they should be protesting abortion clinics.

How do you know they don't?

How do you know they don't do exactly as you say you do?

I personally speak out against it because of what I believe it to be. I also know that many people disagree with that. But it's still my belief.

How do you know "those people" who you choose to label as hypocrites, don't have the same beliefs?

I am very much pro-life, but I realize this is a pro-choice culture. I'd just like to get the women to choose life more often.

How do you know those 'blacklivesmatter' folks don't feel the same way?

 

[TheDag]

What do you think condemnation means?

claiming someone is a hypocrite is not condemning them. Critical of them yes. Condemning not likely but possible.

Yes, but do you? Afterall, you just told black people they couldn't protest injustice unless they also protested at abortion clinics.

Really? Where did she say that? I think you have put your own spin on what preachers wife said. I disagree with her but I can't see where she made such a claim.

No, I would imagine not.

of course not since it made no sense. perhaps some clarification of what you mean would be helpful. I am assuming you are actually interested in discussion.

 

[KCfromNC]

and your claim is not supported by the article. As I said and you have chosen to ignore for some reason one example does not make it true. If you were honest you would admit that in the reverse situation you would not accept one example as evidence.

When one reads the article then we see further evidence that your claim is false. It was not the shooting that resulted in a law change but an ongoing campaign of advertising and funding by family that caused the change.

You also failed to address the fact that plenty of white people have been killed and the law has not been changed as a result. So yes I am correct in that you are making generalisations without evidence to support them and that Euler is keeping quiet on it. I assume tha reason for that is because you are on the same side of the debate as he is rather than the more sensible position of pointing out flaws in logic no matter who does it.

I'm impressed you can generate so much spin and still remain upright. That must be a great skill to have.

Meanwhile, anyone who isn't trying to prove, well, something, can see the fact is that a police shooting of a white victim gained enough attention to get laws changed. That's a fact that runs counter the the assertion that I was responding to. I have no idea why this idea makes you so uncomfortable, but it isn't my job to figure it out.

 

[TheDag]

I'm impressed you can generate so much spin and still remain upright. That must be a great skill to have.

Meanwhile, anyone who isn't trying to prove, well, something, can see the fact is that a police shooting of a white victim gained enough attention to get laws changed. That's a fact that runs counter the the assertion that I was responding to. I have no idea why this idea makes you so uncomfortable, but it isn't my job to figure it out.

Since your having trouble with comprehension I will say it again.

One example does not prove your argument.

You need to prove that it happens frequently and in the majority of shootings of white people.

In your example it was not the media attention but rather the PAID advertisments the family ran. So it was money that changed it.

 

[lisah]

Wouldn't they then need artificial parent technology to raise them afterward?

Isn't that what the internet is for? (chuckles)

 

[lisah]

I'd like to have a center where low-cost or free baby furniture like cribs and playpens would be available. To me, if women know they have more resources, they will be more likely to decide to keep their baby rather than abort it.

I think I would enjoy being involved in something like that.

 

[Strathos]

Wouldn't they then need artificial parent technology to raise them afterward?

That's why I said "adopted"

 

[JGG]

claiming someone is a hypocrite is not condemning them. Critical of them yes. Condemning not likely but possible.

Do you condone hypocrisy? Given the tone of this article do you suppose PW condones hypocrisy?

Really? Where did she say that? I think you have put your own spin on what preachers wife said. I disagree with her but I can't see where she made such a claim.

In a matter of speaking, yes. She condemns their protest not because of the message behind it, but because she believes them to be hypocrites because they do not protest at abortion clinics. She even says that white people can protest because they do protest at abortion clinics.

"If a group of people were going around protesting white people getting killed by officers using #whitelivesmatter I'd be saying the same thing - other than the fact that more white people DO protest abortion clinics. "

Now of course I changed it. These protests are actually about systematic injustice, not cops as she asserted. Does that make a difference? No. She condemned the protests because they don't also protest at abortion clinics. The subject of the protests make no difference to her. White people can protest to their hearts' content, because they do protest abortion.

of course not since it made no sense. perhaps some clarification of what you mean would be helpful. I am assuming you are actually interested in discussion.

I wouldn't expect you to get it either.

 

[PreachersWife2004]

If you can equate the word hypocritical with condemnation, you're really barking up the wrong tree.

I condemn the actions of the terrorists who shot up the newspaper in France.

Do you see the difference?

 

[Belk]

If you can equate the word hypocritical with condemnation, you're really barking up the wrong tree.

I condemn the actions of the terrorists who shot up the newspaper in France.

Do you see the difference?

I feel fairly confidant that most people would consider calling someone hypocritical as condemnation of their hypocrisy.

 

[JGG]

If you can equate the word hypocritical with condemnation, you're really barking up the wrong tree.

I condemn the actions of the terrorists who shot up the newspaper in France.

Do you see the difference?

Based on what you've said, no. Do you approve of their protests if they do not protest at abortion clinics?

 

[PreachersWife2004]

Based on what you've said, no. Do you approve of their protests if they do not protest at abortion clinics?

Not approving doesn't equal condemnation!

 

[JGG]

Not approving doesn't equal condemnation!

con-demn

[kuh n-dem]

verb (used with object)

1. to express an unfavorable or adverse judgment on; indicate strong disapproval of; censure.

You did not express unfavorable or adverse judgment on these protesters? You did not indicate strong disapproval of their "hypocrisy"?

 

[Blue Wren]

Black Sheriff Says if Black Lives Mattered They'd Protest at Abortion Clinics | LifeNews.com

Lots of truth here.

Read the same article you did. There's a lot of illogical rhetoric, little truth.

 

[Euler]

claiming someone is a hypocrite is not condemning them. Critical of them yes. Condemning not likely but possible.

Consult any thesaurus. Alongside "condemn" you will find "critique" and "criticize".

So, even when you try to justify PW's argument semantically.......you fail.

 

[Euler]

You did not express unfavorable or adverse judgment on these protesters? You did not indicate strong disapproval of their "hypocrisy"?

And she certainly "censured" them.

Let's remind ourselves, shall we?

Never once in their campaign do they even address what else is killing black people. NEVER ONCE do they talk about how THEIR OWN PEOPLE ARE KILLING EACH OTHER OFF - moreso than any police. THEY IGNORE THE STATISTICS, AND CHOOSE TO INSTEAD ATTACK POLICE OFFICERS WHO HAVE BEEN PROVEN TO BE DOING THEIR JOB.

Never mind that MOST of these guys that are killed by police were BREAKING THE LAW. Never mind that most of them were ATTACKING THE POLICE OFFICER. Oh, no...IT MUST BE RACISM BECAUSE IT'S A BLACK PERSON GETTING SHOT.

Certainly sounds like a lot of condemning, censuring and criticising to me!

 

[SummerMadness]

How about the police stop abusing black people? How about people stop trying to hijack protests against police brutality to attack other issues?