Logical Problems with Calvinism

[Bible Highlighter]

You somehow got the idea that Calvinists think we are special. You would never make that claim if you knew what was taught. I can help you with that, if you'd like. Or you can continue with the straw men.

I know what you believe and it is unbiblical. So no thank you.

...

 

[Bible Highlighter]

So what is the proper definition?

I just gave it. It is having adoration, reverence that is exclusive to the Creator of the Universe.


...

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Then your issue isn't that we allegedly follow men. We just don't follow the ones you approve of. That's a horse of a different color.

Again, a person saying they are Calvinist does not detach them from saying they are of this guy's teachings of which Paul said not to do.

...

 

[Albion]

Actually, on the contrary,, Scripture testifies of man first taking action whereby God then dwells within them.

...the verses you have chosen, you mean.

 

[Albion]

Exactly what it says. The Scriptures say Christ draws all men unto Himself. Faith is our response to that drawing.

...

Well, let's see...

"we must bring about" = I don't see any explanation of this in your answer here.

"under the drawing of God" = is explained as "Christ draws all men unto Himself."

My reaction:

If "we must bring about" means "Faith is our response," the only way that makes sense is to argue that every person responds to the call and becomes a believer, i.e. has Faith. I know of almost no one but you who thinks that's the case.

 

[Hammster]

I know what you believe and it is unbiblical. So no thank you.

...

So you won't read something that actually states what we believe, but you'll make this statement. That's uncharitable.

 

[Hammster]

I just gave it. It is having adoration, reverence that is exclusive to the Creator of the Universe.


...

And where do you find this particular definition?

 

[Hammster]

Again, a person saying they are Calvinist does not detach them from saying they are of this guy's teachings of which Paul said not to do.

...

So no matter how many times and different ways I've shown this not to be the case, you are going to continue to just repeat what you erroneously believe. Okay. Not much I can do about that. Hopefully others will be more willing to understand.

 

[FreeGrace2]

No. I am not confused in the least.

Your answers demonstrate otherwise.

 

[FreeGrace2]

Doesn't change the Word that says we are not to claim we are of this guy or that guy.

Which is why claiming to be a Calvinist or an Arminin isn't biblically acceptable.

The teachings from Calvin is why it is called Calvinism. ...

WHich isn't biblical.

 

[Hammster]

Your answers demonstrate otherwise.

No they don't.

 

[FreeGrace2]

No they don't.

Thank you for your opinion.

 

[Hammster]

Which is why claiming to be a Calvinist or an Arminin isn't biblically acceptable.


WHich isn't biblical.

Which is odd because I asked you who else teaches your view of hell and you referenced four different people. I remember Dave Hunt being one. So I guess you're a Huntist.

 

[Hammster]

Thank you for your opinion.

Any time.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Well, let's see...

"we must bring about" = I don't see any explanation of this in your answer here.

"under the drawing of God" = is explained as "Christ draws all men unto Himself."

My reaction:

If "we must bring about" means "Faith is our response," the only way that makes sense is to argue that every person responds to the call and becomes a believer, i.e. has Faith. I know of almost no one but you who thinks that's the case.

No. People can refuse the drawing of God and they ignore the Spirit convicting them of their sin. It is their choice if they accept or reject the Lord. Yes, God can give a person an awakening to the truth (so that they can accept it), but God does not make it so that is the only alternative for them. God still keeps a person's free will choice in effect. God does not over rule a person's free will. If that was the case, then there would be no need to preach the gospel. People would just automatically come to the faith by the drawing of God.

Granted, I believe God is Sovereign. Meaning, I believe God can place all souls who have free will into the time line and place of his choosing. This is why from Abraham to Joseph were all a line of believers. This is why there will be 144,000 Messianic Jewish believers in the End Times (Who will be protected). This is why salvation was more widely spread to the Gentiles after Christ's death and resurrection.


...

 

[Bible Highlighter]

And where do you find this particular definition?

Again, go to blueletterbible.org and do a keyword search on the word "worship." There you will see the word "worship" and how it is used in the Bible by looking at the context.


...

 

[Hammster]

No. People can refuse the drawing of God and they ignore the Spirit convicting them of their sin. It is their choice if they accept or reject the Lord. Yes, God can give a person an awakening to the truth (so that they can accept it), but God does not make it so that is the only alternative for them. God still keeps a person's free will choice in effect. God does not over rule a person's free will. If that was the case, then there would be no need to preach the gospel. People would just automatically come to the faith by the drawing of God.


...

There's nowhere in scripture that says one can refuse to be dragged. It does, however, state what happens to those dragged by God.

 

[Hammster]

Again, go to blueletterbible.org and do a keyword search on the word "worship." There you will see the word "worship" and how it is used in the Bible by looking at the context.


...

I know how it's used. But what I don't see is your definition. Jesus loves, honors, adores, exalts, elevates His Father. Sounds a lot like worship.

 

[Albion]

No. People can refuse the drawing of God and they ignore the Spirit convicting them of their sin. It is their choice if they accept or reject the Lord.

But you said "Christ draws all men to Himself." Now you are saying that they don't all get drawn after all.

Yes, God can give a person an awakening to the truth (so that they can accept it), but God does not make it so that is the only alternative for them. God still keeps a person's free will choice in effect.

Very well, but I have to think that you've refined your earlier concept about this, at least as you expressed it.

So...

What makes some people "see the light" while others hear the Gospel and it makes no impression upon them?

 

[Bible Highlighter]

There's nowhere in scripture that says one can refuse to be dragged. It does, however, state what happens to those dragged by God.

Dragged? What are you talking about?


...