Logical Problems with Calvinism

[FreeGrace2]

This is where we define our differences, brother. Arminianism states that man is able, by his own free will, to choose or reject God and that Jesus died for everyone who ever lived.

Which is one of the reasons I disagree with Arminianism. First off, free will has no power or ability. Free will is only freely choosing between available options. For example, I cannot choose to fly because I don't have the ability. Free will has never been about ability.

And it doesn't take "power" or "ability" to choose either. How much power was exerted when you chose your sox this morning?

I believe the Bible is clear that God created mankind with a conscience with which to "choose you this day whom you will serve". Paul wrote about the conscience in Rom 2:14, showing that even Gentiles, who didn't have the law, were a law unto themselves (because of their conscience). In other words, no one has any excuse for bad behavior and poor choices.

Therefore, ALL men have the "ability" to choose right from wrong.

Calvinism states that it is God alone who chooses who is saved, not man, and that Jesus died only for the Christians

I agree. The problem is that the doctrine of Calvinist election concludes that God chooses who will believe (and be saved).

The Bible never makes such a statement. God does choose who is saved. And we know precisely who that is: 1 Cor 1:21 - For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not come to know God, God was well-pleased through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe.

It is believers that God has chosen to be saved. He does not choose who will believe, which is the foundation of the Calvinist doctrine of election.

 

[FreeGrace2]

Again, I honestly do not care what you call it. Just make one already and show us that your belief is indeed true.....

Sorry that you continue to be so confused. I don't need whatever you are requesting. I gave you straight Scripture, which trumps anything you or I could ever come up with.

Your rejection of Scripture over some made up parable or metaphor reveals where your heart actually is.

 

[FreeGrace2]

The program that the alcoholic enters himself into would be paralled to a believer engaging with God so as to overcome his sin.

No it wouldn't. I strongly disagree with your opinion.

So no. I am not suggesting a Man directed works salvation program.

Not only I, but nearly everyone else on this thread claims you do. From your own words. Now, why is that?

Are we all so dull of mind that your words just aren't getting through? Or is it that our view of your words is exactly what we claim they are and it's not us that's dull of mind in this conversation?

I am suggesting that a believer submits to God whereby they then let God work and move within their life. ....

No one would disagree with this. But this is a far cry from your basic view of sinless perfection for salvation.

 

[tulipbee]

And I do not think the Calvinism doctrine is speaking on behalf of God. So I disagree with you.


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All mankind disagrees but God still does what He wants to do outside what man thinks he should do.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Sorry that you continue to be so confused. I don't need whatever you are requesting. I gave you straight Scripture, which trumps anything you or I could ever come up with.

Your rejection of Scripture over some made up parable or metaphor reveals where your heart actually is.

Actually no. The Scripture I gave you of the analogy the Canaanite woman made from the analogy Jesus made shows that we can also make analogies to illustrate spiritual truth. Or do you think everything before the cross during Christ's ministry does not apply to us?

Side Note:

Oh, and please take note that I ask this because there are OSAS proponents who believe that everything during Christ's Earthly ministry does not apply to us because they believed Jesus preached a different gospel than Paul. These are Mid Acts Dispensationalists; And I believe (just like your ignoring the analogy the Canaanite woman had made so as to show we can do the same) they made up an entire belief system so as to protect themselves so as not to see those verses that speak against Eternal Security (i.e. OSAS). I believe in some cases (and not all) that Calvinism is also believed today by some so as to protect themselves in seeing how OSAS is unbiblical, too. It is an added buffer so as to prevent a person from seeing those verses that clearly talk about man's Conditional Salvation.


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[Bible Highlighter]

All mankind disagrees but God still does what He wants to do outside what man thinks he should do.

If man is totally depraved then how is man capable of doing any kind of good deed like in loving their children and or in helping the poor? Can a totally depraved person lay down his life as a sacrifice so as to save another human soul? Does that sound like a totally depraved person? Granted, I am not saying unbelievers are not slaves to sin. In addition, their motivations are without God. But again, the split second instinct like decisions they may make out of love to save the life of another is not something I would claim as Total Depravity, though.

The Bible says that the wicked can turn from their wickedness.

"But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die" (Ezekiel 18:21).​

In other words, this verse should above not be in the Bible if what you say is true. For according to Calvinism, the wicked cannot turn from their sins without some kind of regeneration.


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[Bible Highlighter]

No it wouldn't. I strongly disagree with your opinion.

But it is an example out of real life. Being enslaved to an addictive drug whereby they know they will become drunk is a sin. We see unbelievers overcoming their sin or in becoming sober. Yet, somehow you are saying that man cannot stop sinning. This is the lie that you must keep pushing so as to defend a sin and still be saved doctrine that is not true.

Yes, unbelievers are slaves to sin and they will always have some kind of sin in their life, but when a person surrenders to God and God gives them a new heart and a new spirit and He lives within them, then they are a new creature whereby all things have become new. They also do not have any limits, either. For with God, all things are possible.

Not only I, but nearly everyone else on this thread claims you do. From your own words. Now, why is that?

Jesus was accused falsely by many; That does not mean that they were correct. Truth is determined by being a good Berean (i.e. comparing Scripture with Scripture) and by looking to the real world to see if you belief is logical and orderly as the laws of nature are logical and orderly because they were created by a Creator God who is logical and orderly.

Are we all so dull of mind that your words just aren't getting through? Or is it that our view of your words is exactly what we claim they are and it's not us that's dull of mind in this conversation?

People do not see things for many reasons. I would ask God if there is any chance that you may be wrong. For what does it hurt to ask Him? It costs you nothing. In fact, you have everything to gain and everything to lose if you are wrong.

No one would disagree with this. But this is a far cry from your basic view of sinless perfection for salvation.

A believer cannot submit to God and have Him move in their life and then also make themselves their own god and do sinful things (Whether it be a little bit of sin the rest of their life or a lot of sin) . Jesus said you cannot serve two masters. For you will hate the one and love the other. Do you hate sin so much that you want to stop? If there was even a remote chance that you can stop sinning so as to please your Lord, why wouldn't want to take it? Does sinning the rest of your life sound like a good thing or a bad thing? How can God condone a believer to sin even a little the rest of their life?

I mean, put yourself in my shoes for a moment: Doesn't it sound a little suscipious that you are defending man to live in sin the rest of his life (even if it is a little sin) as being the better and more holy option that God would want us to take?

Well, if that is the case, then I strongly disagree. For that is just not what I see when I read the Scriptures. For Jesus said to two people to "sin no more." In fact, one man he told to "sin no more, unless a worse thing were to come upon him." That doesn't sound like your belief in the slightest.


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[tulipbee]

If man is totally depraved then how is man capable of doing any kind of good deed like in loving their children and or in helping the poor? Can a totally depraved person lay down his life as a sacrifice so as to save another human soul? Does that sound like a totally depraved person? Granted, I am not saying unbelievers are not slaves to sin. In addition, their motivations are without God. But again, the split second instinct like decisions they may make out of love to save the life of another is not something I would claim as Total Depravity, though.

The Bible says that the wicked can turn from their wickedness.

"But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die" (Ezekiel 18:21).​

In other words, this verse should above not be in the Bible if what you say is true. For according to Calvinism, the wicked cannot turn from their sins without some kind of regeneration.


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Your lame excuses shows the Holy spirit hasn't convicted you of your sins. You're boasting agian. When are you going to stop with this pride of yours?

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Your lame excuses shows the Holy spirit hasn't convicted you of your sins. You're boasting agian. When are you going to stop with this pride of yours?

Actually, making personal attacks against me only helps to weaken your argument, my friend. For God's people are known for having the fruits of the Spirit (and not bad fruit). So please lets stick to the Scriptures and stop making baseless insults.


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[ToBeLoved]

Which is one of the reasons I disagree with Arminianism. First off, free will has no power or ability. Free will is only freely choosing between available options. For example, I cannot choose to fly because I don't have the ability. Free will has never been about ability.

And it doesn't take "power" or "ability" to choose either. How much power was exerted when you chose your sox this morning?

I believe the Bible is clear that God created mankind with a conscience with which to "choose you this day whom you will serve". Paul wrote about the conscience in Rom 2:14, showing that even Gentiles, who didn't have the law, were a law unto themselves (because of their conscience). In other words, no one has any excuse for bad behavior and poor choices.

Therefore, ALL men have the "ability" to choose right from wrong.


I agree. The problem is that the doctrine of Calvinist election concludes that God chooses who will believe (and be saved).

The Bible never makes such a statement. God does choose who is saved. And we know precisely who that is: 1 Cor 1:21 - For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not come to know God, God was well-pleased through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe.

It is believers that God has chosen to be saved. He does not choose who will believe, which is the foundation of the Calvinist doctrine of election.

 

[ToBeLoved]

How on earth did the Old Testament Israelite's ever survive?

Did God zap every Israelite before they were born or when they were born or at some other time? There were many believers in the OT, so what is your scriptural references in the OT to prove your Calvinist doctrine?

Because if this is the way God works as you have said, then He would have been doing the same thing in OT times.

 

[tulipbee]

Actually, making personal attacks against me only helps to weaken your argument, my friend. For God's people are known for having the fruits of the Spirit (and not bad fruit). So please lets stick to the Scriptures and stop making baseless insults.


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Holy spirit guided me to tell you God is in charge through your smoke filters. Its a command not an insult.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Many times I hear people say, "you sin every day." I tell them, "No I don't." Why? Because I do not commit horrible acts of sin on a daily basis. Also, many will say that we can never stop sinning in this life (Whether it be a little bit of sin or a lot of sin). But what does the Bible say?

"Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its evil desires. (Romans 6:12).

Think about this for a second. Would not sinning on occasion the rest of your life still be considered as violating the Command from Paul above? For even in the few minutes or hours or even days a believer may be sinning, they would in effect be letting sin reign in their mortal body for a certain period of time and they would be obeying their evil desires.

But God's Word says, be ye holy as I am holy.


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[Bible Highlighter]

Holy spirit guided me to tell you God is in charge through your smoke filters. Its a command not an insult.

No, you were insulting me; And I do not believe you were speaking on the behalf of God, either. You may think that such is the case, but this simply not true because God cannot back anyone who condones a "sin and still be saved" doctrine. A sin and still be saved doctrine is the belief that a believer will always have sin in their life (Whether it be a little bit of sin or a lot of sin) with the thinking they are still saved. However, God can no more condone a believer's conscious choice to sin again in the future than for rain not to be wet.


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[tulipbee]

No, you were insulting me; And I do not believe you were speaking on the behalf of God, either. You may think that such is the case, but this simply not true because God cannot back anyone who condones a "sin and still be saved" doctrine. A sin and still be saved doctrine is the belief that a believer will always have sin in their life (Whether it be a little bit of sin or a lot of sin) with the thinking they are still saved. However, God can no more condone a believer's conscious choice to sin again in the future than for rain not to be wet.


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Don't have time for hogwash

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Don't have time for hogwash

There is always time for the Bible. In the Scriptures, the Prodigal Son had eaten with the hogs during his time of riotious and sinful living. When the son returned to the father, he said his son was once dead and is now alive again "twice." This lets us know that sin is not an acceptable choice for God concerning the believer. Yes, a believer can struggle with sin, but God is concerned with us overcoming our sin and He would definitely not be apathetic if we thought that we could remain in them (even if it is a conscious choice to sin on occasion a little over the rest of our lives). As if saying that one sinning on occasion versus sinning a lot makes it okay with God somehow.


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[FreeGrace2]

Actually no. The Scripture I gave you of the analogy the Canaanite woman made from the analogy Jesus made shows that we can also make analogies to illustrate spiritual truth.

I thought I had made it very clear that I don't make analogies, parables or metaphors to "illustrate spiritual truth". I just go directly to the Source, which seems to have no sway with you. I quote from the Bible when I want to show spiritual truth.

Or do you think everything before the cross during Christ's ministry does not apply to us?

What does any of this have to do with the discussion? I see no relevance.

Side Note:

Oh, and please take note that I ask this because there are OSAS proponents who believe that everything during Christ's Earthly ministry does not apply to us because they believed Jesus preached a different gospel than Paul. These are Mid Acts Dispensationalists;

Not at all relevant to the present discussion.

And I believe (just like your ignoring the analogy the Canaanite woman had made so as to show we can do the same) they made up an entire belief system so as to protect themselves so as not to see those verses that speak against Eternal Security (i.e. OSAS).

I've already proven from Scripture that eternal security is not made up.

I believe in some cases (and not all) that Calvinism is also believed today by some so as to protect themselves in seeing how OSAS is unbiblical, too. It is an added buffer so as to prevent a person from seeing those verses that clearly talk about man's Conditional Salvation.
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Seems you're rather hung up on what a lot of people think. Why can't you just deal with what I've posted, and leave everyone else out of it?

 

[FreeGrace2]

Yet, somehow you are saying that man cannot stop sinning.

Nope. Paul clearly indicated it in Romans 7, a chapter that it seems you're totally unwilling to face. And John clearly indicated it in 1 Jn 1:8 and 10.

This is the lie that you must keep pushing so as to defend a sin and still be saved doctrine that is not true.

The phrase "sin still be saved doctrine" is an obvious suggestion that sin causes loss of salvation. Which is unbiblical. Sin cannot separate us from God because Christ died for all our sins. And you have failed to deal with that truth. When will you?

Yes, unbelievers are slaves to sin and they will always have some kind of sin in their life, but when a person surrenders to God and God gives them a new heart and a new spirit and He lives within them, then they are a new creature whereby all things have become new. They also do not have any limits, either. For with God, all things are possible.

Rom 6 was written to and applies to believers. You've still failed to prove that man can become sinless during this life.

Jesus was accused falsely by many; That does not mean that they were correct.

otoh, you have been accused correctly. And those who have accused you are correct.

Truth is determined by being a good Berean (i.e. comparing Scripture with Scripture) and by looking to the real world to see if you belief is logical and orderly as the laws of nature are logical and orderly because they were created by a Creator God who is logical and orderly.

Here's again where you're off track. Truth is determined ONLY by what Scripture says. The "real world" has nothing to do with truth. You know why? Probably not. So I'll tell you. The devil is the god of this world, and the prince of the power of the air. And during the Tribulation, the anti-christ and false prophet will perform many miracles, which is hardly "the truth". It's total deception.

People do not see things for many reasons. I would ask God if there is any chance that you may be wrong. For what does it hurt to ask Him? It costs you nothing. In fact, you have everything to gain and everything to lose if you are wrong.

What makes anyone think I don't do that daily? Stop judging what you obviously have no clue about.

A believer cannot submit to God and have Him move in their life and then also make themselves their own god and do sinful things (Whether it be a little bit of sin the rest of their life or a lot of sin) . Jesus said you cannot serve two masters. For you will hate the one and love the other. Do you hate sin so much that you want to stop? If there was even a remote chance that you can stop sinning so as to please your Lord, why wouldn't want to take it? Does sinning the rest of your life sound like a good thing or a bad thing? How can God condone a believer to sin even a little the rest of their life?

None of this proves or concludes that one can become sinless. You yourself have admitted that you haven't become sinless. Does that mean you're not saved? Remember post #2344?

I mean, put yourself in my shoes for a moment: Doesn't it sound a little suscipious that you are defending man to live in sin the rest of his life (even if it is a little sin) as being the better and more holy option that God would want us to take?

This is nonsense. I'm not nor have ever defending "man to live in sin". For any length of time. Your problem is how you take an idea and then twist it all out of shape into something it is not.

I have been clear. Believers will never be sinless during their life on earth. But believers are to sin less. Apparently you have ignored what I've posted. When the believer grows up spiritually, they WILL sin less. Much less, in fact. But the truth is that we still have the sin nature and there will always be a struggle between the sin and new nature.

Listen to the truth: Gal 5:16,17 -
16 But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not carry out the desire of the flesh.
17 For the flesh sets its desire against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; for these are in opposition to one another, so that you may not do the things that you please.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

I thought I had made it very clear that I don't make analogies, parables or metaphors to "illustrate spiritual truth". I just go directly to the Source, which seems to have no sway with you. I quote from the Bible when I want to show spiritual truth.

Then you are not following the example of Jesus and what He did. You also would have to ignore the Canaanite's woman of making an analogy, as well. For what? What reason do you have really? Well, I have a few theories.

What does any of this have to do with the discussion? I see no relevance.

Because you are ignoring a truth of making analogies as a believer so as to prevent yourself from seeing what the Scriptures are clearly saying concerning Conditional Salvation in the Bible just as the Mid Acts Dispensationalist does the same thing. It's a buffer so as not to see what the Bible is really saying.

Not at all relevant to the present discussion.

Well, I believe it is relevant because if one believes in such a way, they are using it as a way to prevent them in seeing Conditional Salvation in the Scriptures. Are you a Mid Acts Dispensationalist?

I've already proven from Scripture that eternal security is not made up.

And I have proven from Scriptures that you are taking verses out of context to show such a thing. Anyways, here is a....

Long List of Verses Refuting OSAS (Once Saved Always Saved):

• Matthew 7:21-23 - Jesus only “knows” those who do Father God’s will; all others are practicing lawlessness.

• Matthew 10:33 - Whoever denies Jesus before men He will also deny before His Father in heaven.

• Matthew 12:31-32 - Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven. This means verbally cursing or speaking bad about the Holy Spirit.

• Matthew 13:18-23 - 2 people types (no root, unfruitful) come to eternal life, and then return to the lost state.

• Matthew 18:21-35, Mark 11:25-26 - Forgive men’s sins against you, or God won’t forgive your sins against Him.

• Matthew 25:44-46 - Those who do not help even one needy soul will go into everlasting punishment.

• Mark 8:35-36 - Whoever desires to save his (old) life, or gain the whole world, will lose his soul.

• Mark 9:43-48 - Get rid of whatever causes you to sin; it will cause you to be cast into hell fire.

• Mark 13:13 - But he who endures with his faith to the end (of his life) shall be saved eternally (Also seeMatthew 10:22, Matthew 24:13, Colossians 1:22-23, 1 Timothy 4:16,Hebrews 10:35-39, Revelation 2:10).

• Luke 9:23-25 - Whoever does not deny himself for Jesus’ sake will be destroyed (eternal death).

• Luke 14:26-33 - Jesus warns prospective believers how difficult and costly it is to be His disciple… will they have enough to finish this life of placing Him above all else, bearing their crosses, etc.?

• Luke 18:9-14 - Jesus taught that the man who was more justified was the one who humbled himself and cried out to God for mercy before God vs. the man who did not do so.

• John 3:19, 20 - An important point about "The Condemnation" is that those who loved darkness hate the Light because they loved the pleasure of their own evil deeds, unless of course their deeds should be reproved (that is).

• John 12:25 - He who loves his life in this world will lose it (eternal life) later.

• John 15:1-6 - Christians who do not bear fruit (are not abiding in Jesus) are thrown into the fire.

• John 17:3 - Eternal life is actually “knowing” Father God and Jesus Christ. Do you really know them?

• Romans 1:29-32 - Anyone practicing such sins is deserving of death due to God’s wrath on unrighteousness.

• Romans 2:5-11 - Wrath is coming to those who are unrighteously self-seeking and do not obey the truth.

• Rom 6:15-23 - Be a slave of God and to righteousness for holiness, resulting in holiness and eternal life.

• Romans 8:1-8 - Anyone who is carnally-minded (is living according to the flesh) will die spiritually.

• Romans 8:12-13 - We are not debtors to the flesh; if we live according to the flesh, we will die.

• Romans 11:20-22 - Fear unbelief, that if you do not continue to have faith, you will be cut off like the OT Jews.

• 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 - Anyone practicing such sins is unrighteous, and will not inherit the kingdom of God.

• 1 Corinthians 15:2 - You are saved, if you hold fast to that word (the gospel) … unless you believed in vain.

• 2 Corinthians 7:10 - Godly sorrow over sin leads Christians to repent, which leads to salvation.

• 2 Corinthians 13:5 - Examine and test yourself to see if you are in the faith, unless you are disqualified.

• Galatians 5:1-4 - Christians are warned: those who later have attempted to be justified by law, … have been estranged from Christ and have fallen from grace.

• Galatians 5:19-21 - Anyone practicing such sins (the works of the flesh) will not inherit the kingdom of God.

• Galatians 5:24 - Those who are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.

• Galatians 6:7-8 - Don't be deceived: sowing to the flesh reaps corruption, sowing to the Spirit reaps eternal life.

• Ephesians 5:3-6 - Believers practicing such sins will not inherit God’s kingdom, but will incur the wrath of God.

• Ephesians 5:25-27 - Jesus gave Himself for a glorious Church which will be sanctified, holy, without blemish.

• Philippians 2:12-16 - Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling, holding fast the word of life …
  … so that: (1) you may become blameless, and (2) Paul did not labor in vain concerning you.

• Philippians 3:7-14 - Paul presses on to attaining the goal of gaining Christ, knowing Him, and being found in Him.

• Colossians 1:21-29 - Jesus’ desires (and Paul labors to warn and teach) to present “holy and blameless” and “perfect in Christ Jesus” those who continue in faith, not moved away from the hope of the gospel.

• Colossians 3:5-6 - Believers practicing such sins beware: the wrath of God will come upon sons of disobedience.

• 1 Timothy 4:1 - Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith.

• 1 Timothy 5:11-15 - Some younger widows are condemned; they cast off their first faith and turned after Satan.

• 1 Timothy 6:3-4 - Paul says that if any man teaches contrary to the words of Jesus and the doctrine of Christ is proud knowing nothing.

• 1 Timothy 6:9-14 - Greed and love of money drowns men in destruction and perdition; Instead, pursue godliness and lay hold on eternal life (and keep this command without blame).

• 1 Timothy 6:17-19 - Commands for the rich (yes, Christians) to follow, so they may lay hold on eternal life.

• Titus 1:1-3 - Faith and knowledge of the truth lead to godliness, in the hope of eternal life.

• Hebrews 2:1-4 - Warning about drifting away: how shall we escape, if we drift and neglect so great a salvation?

• Hebrews 3:6 - We belong to Christ, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm to the end.

• Hebrews 3:12-15 - Beware of an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God, being hardened through the deceitfulness of sin, for we are only partakers of Christ if we hold steadfast to the end.

• Hebrews 3:17-19 - The OT Jews who sinned (did not obey) could not enter into God’s rest (the Promised Land).

• Hebrews 4:1 - Let us fear lest any of us come short of entering God’s rest (God’s promise of salvation).

• Hebrews 4:11 - Be diligent to enter into that rest, lest anyone fall according to the OT example of disobedience.

• Hebrews 6:4-8 - Those enlightened and partakers of the Holy Spirit who fall away will be rejected and burned.

• Hebrews 10:26-27 - If we sin willfully after receiving knowledge of the truth, expect God’s fiery judgment.

• Hebrews 10:29-31 - The Lord will judge His people. “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay”, says the Lord.

• Hebrews 10:35-39 - Endure in the faith, and do not be like those who draw back to perdition.

• Hebrews 12:14-15 - Pursue holiness (w/o which no one will see the Lord) lest anyone falls short of God’s grace.

• Hebrews 12:15-17 - Many believers become defiled, and finding no place for repentance, are rejected.

• James 1:12-16 - Love the Lord, endure temptation to sin; do not be deceived, sin results in spiritual death.

• 1 Peter 1:8-9 - Believing, you will receive the end of your (enduring) faith—the salvation of your souls.

• 2 Peter 1:10-11 - Be diligent to make your call & election sure, so you won’t stumble, but gain the kingdom.

• 2 Peter 2:1, 14 - The false prophets (i.e. believers) are those who have eyes full of adultery and cannot cease from sin.

• 2 Peter 2:20-22 - If Christians are overcome by worldly sins, they are worse off than they were before knowing the way of righteousness, they turned from the holy commandment delivered to them.

• 1 John 1:9 - If we confess our sins, God will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

• 1 John 2:3-5 - We are sure that we “know” God and are “in” Him, if we keep His commandments.

• 1 John 2:24-25 - If God’s word does not abide in us, the Father and the Son will not abide in us, nor we in Them, and we will not receive the promised eternal life.

• 1 John 3:15 - If you hate your brother, you’re like a murderer who has no eternal life abiding in him.

• Jude 1:4 NIV - There are those false believers who turn the grace of our God into a license for immorality

• Jude 1:20-21 - 3 things for Christians to do, while looking for God’s mercy unto eternal life.

• Revelation 2:10 - Be faithful until death and Jesus will give you the crown of (eternal) life (Also see Mark 13:13 above).

• Revelation 2:11 - He who overcomes shall not be hurt by the second death (eternal death).

• Revelation 3:5 - He who overcomes will not have his name blotted out from the Book of Life.

• Revelation 14:9-11 - Those that worship the Beast and take his mark drink of the wine of the Wrath of God and will be thrown in the Lake of Fire.

• Revelation 21:8 - Anyone practicing such sins will go into the lake of fire, which is the second death.

• Revelation 21:27 - Anyone practicing such sins is not in the Book of Life, and will not enter the New Jerusalem.

• Revelation 22:14 - Anyone who does not do God’s commandments does not have the right to the tree of life.

• Revelation 22:15 - Anyone practicing such sins will be outside the gates of the New Jerusalem.

• Revelation 22:18 - If any man takes away from the prophecy of the book (i.e. the Scriptures), God will take away their name out of the Book of Life.

Seems you're rather hung up on what a lot of people think. Why can't you just deal with what I've posted, and leave everyone else out of it?

Well, I believe it is the truth based on what God has revealed to me within His Word.


Source Used:
https://www.baptistboard.com/threads/your-handy-dandy-long-list-of-verses-against-osas.83484/

 

[FreeGrace2]

Many times I hear people say, "you sin every day." I tell them, "No I don't." Why? Because I do not commit horrible acts of sin on a daily basis.

lol Arrogance is a horrible sin. Claiming to be sinless is arrogance.

Of the 7 worst sins, 6 are sins of attitude. Only 1 is a horrible act; murder.

Prov 6:16-19
16 There are six things which the LORD hates, Yes, seven which are an abomination to Him:
17 Haughty eyes, a lying tongue, And hands that shed innocent blood,
18 A heart that devises wicked plans, Feet that run rapidly to evil,
19 A false witness who utters lies, And one who spreads strife among brothers.

Also, many will say that we can never stop sinning in this life (Whether it be a little bit of sin or a lot of sin). But what does the Bible say?

To confess our sins. What does that imply? That we need a solution for the on-going problem of sin in our lives.

"Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its evil desires. (Romans 6:12).

Do you really not understand the difference between sinning less and letting sin reign in your body? Apparently not.

Think about this for a second. Would not sinning on occasion the rest of your life still be considered as violating the Command from Paul above?

If a believer is only "not sinning on occasion", that means he's sinning more than not sinning. So he would be in violation. But those who are sinning less, because they are growing spiritually more and more, are NOT in violation.

For even in the few minutes or hours or even days a believer may be sinning, they would in effect be letting sin reign in their mortal body for a certain period of time and they would be obeying their evil desires.

But God's Word says, be ye holy as I am holy.....

You are clearly not understanding Scripture at any level. Or what it means to "reign". It means to be in charge. An occasional sin is not letting sin be in charge. Hardly. Just the opposite.