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Hebrews 10:14
For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are being sanctified.
And how are we sanctified?
Acts 26:18
to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me.’
Romans 15:16
that I might be a minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God, that the offering of the Gentiles might be acceptable, sanctified by the Holy Spirit.
1 Corinthians 1:2
To the church of God which is at Corinth, to those who are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all who in every place call on the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:
1 Corinthians 6:11
And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.
But you believe that a believer cannot stop sinning. You also believe a believer can sin and still be saved. I do not believe that such beliefs are biblical. So no. I am not judging the believer as described in God's Word.Those who judge their brother and sisters struggling with sin will surely reap what they sow.
Please tell the thread what my view of grace is.I didn't say that grace began in the mid 20th century I said that YOUR VIEW of grace had its origin in the mid 20th century.
So, what is my definition of grace, since your post insinuates that you know.Your definition of grace is NOT supported by scripture
your not believing in the 'forever' part of being perfected.It is talking in retrospective of those who lived a sanctified and holy life.
'For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.' (Hebrews 10:14) (King James Version).
I mean, just keep reading. Hebrews 10:26 says if we willfully sin after having received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sin.
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I directly challenge you to provide proof for your claim here. God's grace is extended to everyone. Regardless of faith. Did Jesus require any of those He healed to have faith? No.Free Grace theology erroneously teaches that grace is acquired through faith when the scripture asserts just the opposite. Faith is acquired through grace.
Nice quote. Now, what does it mean and how does it support your claim?"He helped them much who through grace had believed" Acts 18:27 NIV
Until you provide evidence of your statement, I sincerely hope no one believes your post.The irony of Free Grace theology is that it defines grace simply as "unmerited favor." Then its disciples say that it is acquired through faith. Duh! If grace is acquired through faith then it is NOT unmerited.
Well, I guess you forgot my challenge to you.I would advise you not to follow a scheme of soterological interpretation that is not even 75 years old and has no scriptural merit.
No sir! Grace is NOT unmerited. There is no scripture which unambiguously asserts this. It is salvation that is unmerited.I agree with you that faith is acquired through grace and not the other way around.
I would point out, however, that unmerited favor is a perfectly legitimate definition of grace.
It has "come" to be a common definition in Christian circles due to the the corrupt influence of FGT on modern Christianity.It has come to be a common definition in Christian circles - and not just in the Free Grace movement.
So you equate healing with salvation now and imply that one may be saved without faith?I directly challenge you to provide proof for your claim here. God's grace is extended to everyone. Regardless of faith. Did Jesus require any of those He healed to have faith? No.
It does NOT say that grace comes through faith. And the grammar allows for faith to be the antecedent of the clause "THIS is not from yourselves."Eph 2:8 says we are saved by grace through faith.
Why would the writers of the Bible warn the saved of how they should live if they're incapable of sinning?Not really. Most everyone here is against the words of Jesus that tell us to "sin no more unless a worse thing come upon you." They are saying he didn't really mean that. Most here are also against the words of Jesus that say, "be ye perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect", too. The Father is perfect because He is holy and sinless. Yet, again, folks here would rather ignore that truth and define the word "perfect" some other way. For most I have talked with here do not believe in Sinless Perfectionism or that they can stop sinning. Some here have even said it was a heresy. But that is what it means to live holy. Living holy means one is not sinning but they are living holy or righteous.
One who does evil cannot claim they are living holy. It defies all logic. Think about it.
Also, folks here have been saying they can die in unrepentant sin and still make it into Heaven, too. Which again, goes against God's goodness or morality.
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No sir! Grace is NOT unmerited. There is no scripture which unambiguously asserts this. It is salvation that is unmerited..
Jason think about what you believe about this verse and believers committing sins and then will go to hell.
Hebrews 10
26 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries.
For if some christian saved believer sins, there is no longer a sacrifice for sins, but only wrath, how could someone repent and be forgiven if there is no longer a sacrifice for sin for them?
Christ is only sacrificed one time, not again and again for our sins. Your logic would lead to being forgiven a possibility only one time and forever after a judgement of wrath and hell.
Why would the writers of the Bible warn the saved of how they should live if they're incapable of sinning?
Your bizarre and false theology defies logic. You claim that the saved, like yourself, can not sin because they are fully sanctified, being holy like God. Then you say that the saved can lose their salvation. How does that work?
All are sinners, the saved and the damned. Even you! The saved have a different nature than the damned, driven to do spiritual good by the Holy Spirit. The saved yet live here in sin filled flesh and are tempted by this world. The saved may fall and stumble yet seek God for forgiveness. .
Only the damned live and die in unrepentant sin, and they will not make it into Heaven
"For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast." Ephesians 2:8-9
Clearly it says that salvation is a gift of God unmerited by man. But one can only saved by grace.
Therefore the grace to be saved is also unmerited by man.
Grace, in this instance, is unmerited favor which leads to salvation.
If you, perchance, choose to say that "faith" is the gift of God - then faith comes by grace and it amounts to the same thing.
I will agree with you that grace as presented in the scriptures is often (it seems to me even most) presented as something that is given because of merit.
But it is also presented in as something unmerited.
If you were only charging that many have come to state that grace is always unmerited and that that is wrong - then I would agree with you in that.
But if you are saying that all grace is always merited -- I must disagree with you in much the same way I would disagree with those who say that grace is always unmerited..
You might want to stand against Free Grace theology in some areas for some reason. But you logic here is found wanting.
I am not of the same flavor as FreeGrace2 in many areas. But I join with him is asking you to tells us exactly what your view of his beliefs is.
It would be easier to follow exactly what your beef is if you would tell us that right up front as he asked you to.
No sir! Grace is NOT unmerited. There is no scripture which unambiguously asserts this. It is salvation that is unmerited.
It has "come" to be a common definition in Christian circles due to the the corrupt influence of FGT on modern Christianity.
On a scale between Nominal Christian and Fanatic Christian, this type leans toward Fanatic.A quick google for the heresy of sinless perfectionism as Jason teaches brought this one
http://fundamentalbaptistchristian.blogspot.com/2011/11/heresy-of-sinless-perfection.html
And this one discusses how sinful those who believe they are sinless are, they are an affront, an offense to Christ.
http://www.blessedquietness.com/journal/housechu/perfectioncult.htm
This verse ought to be enough refutation, except of course it will be 'explained' by them.
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
On a scale between Nominal Christian and Fanatic Christian, this type leans toward Fanatic.
Titus 2:11 - For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to all menNo sir! Grace is NOT unmerited. There is no scripture which unambiguously asserts this. It is salvation that is unmerited.
I've already shown your view of FGT to be incorrect.It has "come" to be a common definition in Christian circles due to the the corrupt influence of FGT on modern Christianity.
Where ever would anyone come to such a conclusion from what I said?? I've implied no such nonsense. Titus 2:11 tells us that God's grace has appeared to all men. Not "some men", or "only the elect", or any other such twisting.So you equate healing with salvation now and imply that one may be saved without faith?
I never said that grace comes through faith either.It does NOT say that grace comes through faith.
Grace in this instance is NOT unmerited favor, but is the divine INFLUENCE in the heart. See verse 5. We were saved by something God done TO us, a work of God IN us. Strong's defines grace as "the divine influence in the heart AND its reflection in the life.""For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast." Ephesians 2:8-9
Clearly it says that salvation is a gift of God unmerited by man. But one can only saved by grace.
Therefore the grace to be saved is also unmerited by man.
Grace, in this instance, is unmerited favor which leads to salvation.
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