Logic model for quantizing a real infinity: Proof of the universe by God.

[Usus Vox Tractus]

For the purposes of your metaphor, what did god breathe in to create the universe? You're stating that something already existed.

Back on lunch break. God breathed into his own open mouth.

The something that already exists is The God (AlLTHINGNESS), the infinite "solid" body. There is no void space anywhere forever. Quark matter ocean.


God "open's his mouth" and space is created for all the myriad "somethings" other than GOD to exist. This creates a void space where GOD the Saturate is not at full energy. A universe created "ex nihilio". Not matter and energy out of nothing but a "nothing space" created so that any individual something else has the possibility of existing. So that form can move through space and a "time" other than eternity can unfold.

Thank you for your questions! I am happy to explore anymore you have, please shake any branch you feel is weak. It's the only way I can know where I am strong and what I need to retrain or prune completely off. Thank you for the competition. =)

 

[lesliedellow]

Bring God down??? Hah! No, I'm bringing my skill of reckoning and logic up to a level acceptable by God. To build a temple of the knowledge of truth upon His Rock.

Knowledge is not a synonym for whatever rubbish you choose to pull out of your own head.

 

[Usus Vox Tractus]

Knowledge is not a synonym for whatever rubbish you choose to pull out of your own head.

My brain is the most complex object in the known universe. It is directly entangled with all universal forces known and unknown and it is self aware. It would take a super computer the size of a city block, powered by a nuclear reactor and cooled by a entire river to rival what I can do in a hammock.

Yours too.




Call the human head a garbage can at your own risk.

 

[PsychoSarah]

My brain is the most complex object in the known universe. It is directly entangled with all universal forces known and unknown and it is self aware. It would take a super computer the size of a city block, powered by a nuclear reactor and cooled by a entire river to rival what I can do in a hammock.

Yours too.




Call the human head a garbage can at your own risk.

Your specific brain is not the most complex one

 

[lesliedellow]

My brain is the most complex object in the known universe. It is directly entangled with all universal forces known and unknown

More gobbledygook.

and it is self aware. It would take a super computer the size of a city block, powered by a nuclear reactor and cooled by a entire river to rival what I can do in a hammock.

Yours too.

Your pretensions would require you to have a graduate level education in both theology and physics, and even then you would need the IQ of Einstein to stand an outside chance of succeeding.

So what are your theological/scientific qualifications, exactly?

 

[Usus Vox Tractus]

Your specific brain is not the most complex one

Touche' [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] cat!

In fact I am counting on others being not only more complex, but more integral and harmoniously wired! I'd rather take notes from others charted waters than have to map it all myself. And while I am furiously scribbling new notes, I am sharing the drawings of the waters I have explored and the shape of the terrain I have found. It has benefited me to know these things as they have thoroughly answered all my questions and continue to give me a workable answer even though I have no question.

I'm operating under the assumption that I'm not the only one who has asked these questions, nor am I the only one who can benefit from the answers. I could be wrong. But I am willing to be wrong for the benefit of what I will become in the process. If I am right, everyone benefits from the work I have done. If I am wrong, I will be corrected, and all will learn from my mistakes. It is a win/win situation as I am willing to sacrifice any need for "accolades" from my fellow man. I'm not intending or wanting to be "propped up". I'm expecting to be cut into pieces and expected to reform until diamond hardness and clarity is reached.

The question of whether or not I reach diamond integrity is moot. The only question I need answer is if I am pointed in the right direction and if I am willing to take the single next step in that direction.



I have been a sharer since a child. Now I have something of spiritual merit to share that can never diminish and only increase not only in myself but everyone. Imagine the excitement that I must contain so as not to appear a mad man drunk with God!

Because most people are not comfortable with hot passionate waters of faith, I must cool down into icy cold crystalline clarity, devoid of all clouding minerals from when I was fresh from the mountain. Pure logic and order in thinkable structure and defined terms. A mental map that all may see and navigate by without the fires of emotion. No belief, no "convincing", no dogma, no appeal to authority. So that all may have the means to see and know for themselves.

This is what is being asked for by 26% of the world yes? And God knows the other 84% of warring believers need it as well!


And as a man claiming to be of God I should be able to deliver it as needed right?


Until then, I will work on the multiplying of the talents I have and that's what I am doing here, dancing before you.

 

[Usus Vox Tractus]

More gobbledygook.





Your pretensions would require you to have a graduate level education in both theology and physics, and even then you would need the IQ of Einstein to stand an outside chance of succeeding.

So what are your theological/scientific qualifications, exactly?

https://www.kevinabarnes.com/michio-kaku-explores-future-mind/

On Wednesday, February 26, 2014 — one day after the release of his new book, The Future of the Mind — theoretical physicist Michio Kaku1
spoke to a standing room only audience at Milwaukee’s Boswell Book Company about the future of the human mind.

Kaku said he interviewed over 300 of the world’s top scientists for his new book.2 “Let me tell you what they tell me about the future of the mind,” he began. “In the last five to ten years, we’ve learned more about the mind than in all human history combined.”

“Sitting on your shoulder is the most complex object in the known universe,” Kaku explained. “We physicists calculate that to create a computer that can simulate the brain, the computer would be the size of a city block, it would use the power of a nuclear power plant and you’d have to have a river to cool it down.”



I'll get to my "qualifications" for asserting what I do in a moment...

 

[Ana the Ist]

Back on lunch break. God breathed into his own open mouth.

The something that already exists is The God (AlLTHINGNESS), the infinite "solid" body. There is no void space anywhere forever. Quark matter ocean.


God "open's his mouth" and space is created for all the myriad "somethings" other than GOD to exist. This creates a void space where GOD the Saturate is not at full energy. A universe created "ex nihilio". Not matter and energy out of nothing but a "nothing space" created so that any individual something else has the possibility of existing. So that form can move through space and a "time" other than eternity can unfold.

Thank you for your questions! I am happy to explore anymore you have, please shake any branch you feel is weak. It's the only way I can know where I am strong and what I need to retrain or prune completely off. Thank you for the competition. =)

You probably answered it in there and I missed it. What did god breathe in again?

 

[Usus Vox Tractus]

You probably answered it in there and I missed it. What did god breathe in again?

First line, second sentence (expanded): "God breathed into (the new open space of) His own mouth."

 

[Ana the Ist]

First line, second sentence (expanded): "God breathed into (the new open space of) His own mouth."

....

I'm not sure we're on the same page. Either im not getting your answer or you're not getting my question.

When I breathe in....I breathe in air.

You're saying god breathed in "open space"?

Or in other words....space already existed before the universe did?

 

[Usus Vox Tractus]

....

I'm not sure we're on the same page. Either im not getting your answer or you're not getting my question.

When I breathe in....I breathe in air.

You're saying god breathed in "open space"?

Or in other words....space already existed before the universe did?

I tried to answer that in my prior post. See the rubber sheet experiment.

Another place to see the exact same phenomenon in 3d is sono-luminescence. A water body is vibrated with sound waves from opposite directions until a standing wave cavitation occurs. A vibrating bubble of void suspended in fluid. It is mostly vacuum aside from disperse vapor molecules.

At a certain modulation there appears a blue star in the center of the void bubble. There water vapor is excited by nested wave front to the point of breaking the hydrogen bonds which then rapidly re-bond, "burning" the hydrogen producing a blue flame. A very hot flame.


https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...x-je1DIm_JibCn_fsNkv9Iw&bvm=bv.72676100,d.cGU
Interest in sonoluminescence was renewed when an inner temperature of such a bubble well above one million kelvins was postulated. This temperature is thus far not conclusively proven, though recent experiments conducted by the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign indicate temperatures around 20,000 kelvins.


20,000 kelvin is about 19,700 Celsius and 35,500 Fahrenheit.




So this is another scientific example of a singular action (sound) creating a triple structural reaction in a single substance: In sono-luminescence this forms; the outer membrane of bubble described by an inverse sphere of water, a void space within the bubble, and a "singularity" at it's center.



These structures, space and relationships, as the universe, are simultaneously arising as best illustrated by the rubber sheet example. They preserve the natures of the Infinite, in the finite so that the space of the finite does not collapse immediately back into none existence.... Water, water everywhere and no one existing but God to drink it.



Are the logical mechanics clearer to you?

 

[Ana the Ist]

I tried to answer that in my prior post. See the rubber sheet experiment.

Another place to see the exact same phenomenon in 3d is sono-luminescence. A water body is vibrated with sound waves from opposite directions until a standing wave cavitation occurs. A vibrating bubble of void suspended in fluid. It is mostly vacuum aside from disperse vapor molecules.

At a certain modulation there appears a blue star in the center of the void bubble. There water vapor is excited by nested wave front to the point of breaking the hydrogen bonds which then rapidly re-bond, "burning" the hydrogen producing a blue flame. A very hot flame.


https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...x-je1DIm_JibCn_fsNkv9Iw&bvm=bv.72676100,d.cGU
Interest in sonoluminescence was renewed when an inner temperature of such a bubble well above one million kelvins was postulated. This temperature is thus far not conclusively proven, though recent experiments conducted by the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign indicate temperatures around 20,000 kelvins.


20,000 kelvin is about 19,700 Celsius and 35,500 Fahrenheit.




So this is another scientific example of a singular action (sound) creating a triple structural reaction in a single substance: In sono-luminescence this forms; the outer membrane of bubble described by an inverse sphere of water, a void space within the bubble, and a "singularity" at it's center.



These structures, space and relationships, as the universe, are simultaneously arising as best illustrated by the rubber sheet example. They preserve the natures of the Infinite, in the finite so that the space of the finite does not collapse immediately back into none existence.... Water, water everywhere and no one existing but God to drink it.



Are the logical mechanics clearer to you?

Actually no...it's been a long long time since I've been in a physics class of any sort and it isn't a hobby of mine. So when I read your reply I'm basically skimming over to the point where you say, "god breathes in x". You didn't say anything of the sort though....

Let's start this over.

You described the start of the universe as "God breathed in....."

I'm asking what the substance was that he breathed in....I used the example of myself breathing in air so that you understand what I'm asking. What substance did god breathe in?

I'm assuming of course, that there is a substance to answer that question....you wouldn't say that he breathed in nothing, because that makes no sense. It's like saying I lifted nothing. If i lifted nothing...then I didn't actually lift at all. If god breathed nothing...then he didn't really breathe at all. Ergo, you believe god breathed in something...a substance...which existed before he created the universe. (Which by implication, time existed before the universe as well....but we can get to that later).

All I really need to move this conversation along is for you to tell me what substance you believe god breathed in....whenever you're ready.

 

[Usus Vox Tractus]

You seem to be confusing structure with Chaos.

Yes I was.

Also, consider this: Why do you think natural laws are finely tuned for life, as opposed to life being finely tuned for natural laws?

Or that we are the physical manifestation of invisible laws, finely tuned for each other?

Consider the alternative argument: Abiogenesis and evolution occurred on this planet in this universe, because it was the place most suited for it. It would have 'attempted' to happen elsewhere, but failed, simply because the conditions elsewhere are not suited for it.

Why do you believe that argument is less likely than yours?

Because my model explains exactly why "empty space" itself is patterned to form the specific structure of the DNA molecule.

Also, the universe is not well suited for life. Out of all the planets, only a fraction of a fraction can support life, and only a fraction of those (such are ours) actually do support life and only on a fraction of their surface.

Now, natural laws do bring about the stable proton and other essential things, but, again, consider that this may not be the result of it being 'made that way for it' but simply a case of we came to be here BECAUSE all the factors were right for it, as opposed to all the factors being right SO that we could come to be.

There's no reason other universes wouldn't exist, ones where natural laws are not the same as here, ones where matter cannot exist or where C is different, etc.
Life never had the opportunity to start there. But here it did. And while that being 'random' chance may seem far fetched or astronomically unlikely, think of the time scales: If the conditions just happened to be right for life on just a few billions planets in one of the many universes that could exist, it is very highly likely that it would occur.

Why does the idea of God seem more likely to you than that?

My model for God accounts for the patterning of DNA life everywhere in the universe on 3 density levels of matter and 3 of antimatter.

Also, there's nothing to say that if the laws of nature were somewhat different, we wouldn't just be a fundamentally different kind of life.
Surely it makes more sense to think of us as 'right for this universe' than to think of the universe as 'right for us'?

This universe is right for life and stable atomic/molecular formation period. My model accounts for exactly why every single one of an infinite number of universes would be. And why that all have the same dark matter and dark energy ratios as we do. It's really quite simple.


Occam's razor says the simplest solution is usually correct one.

Those are some of the reasons why I suspect this model to be correct. There are many other reasons. Thank you for your questions and making me give an account VProud!



Next up is the simultaneous creation of an infinite and growing number of infinities of universes. This will unify the dark energy constant and laws of quantum action for all universes.

 

[Usus Vox Tractus]

Actually no...it's been a long long time since I've been in a physics class of any sort and it isn't a hobby of mine. So when I read your reply I'm basically skimming over to the point where you say, "god breathes in x". You didn't say anything of the sort though....

Let's start this over.

You described the start of the universe as "God breathed in....."

I'm asking what the substance was that he breathed in....I used the example of myself breathing in air so that you understand what I'm asking. What substance did god breathe in?

I'm assuming of course, that there is a substance to answer that question....you wouldn't say that he breathed in nothing, because that makes no sense. It's like saying I lifted nothing. If i lifted nothing...then I didn't actually lift at all. If god breathed nothing...then he didn't really breathe at all. Ergo, you believe god breathed in something...a substance...which existed before he created the universe. (Which by implication, time existed before the universe as well....but we can get to that later).

All I really need to move this conversation along is for you to tell me what substance you believe god breathed in....whenever you're ready.

I described the start of the universe as God exhaling.

And your conundrum is exactly why I switched models to explain the same action. Best represented in sono-luminescence: The water is pulled apart by sound and a mostly vacuum vapor state is left in it's wake.

The Breathe of God is left in the wake of the "opening" of God to make the universal void space.

So if you must stick with the anthropic example: The Breathe of God was made inside the body of God and He exhaled a vapor of His own blood plasma. But it's a messy metaphor .


You could also think of the body of God like an infinite block of Swiss Cheese, it has no external boundary. God says "Holy Cheese!" and infinite holes appear in the cheese. Cheese vapor is left in the holes.

We are patterned clouds of cheese vapor whizzing by each other, surrounded above and below and all about by The Big Cheese.

 

[PsychoSarah]

This universe is right for life and stable atomic/molecular formation period. My model accounts for exactly why every single one of an infinite number of universes would be. And why that all have the same dark matter and dark energy ratios as we do. It's really quite simple.


Occam's razor says the simplest solution is usually correct one.

Those are some of the reasons why I suspect this model to be correct. There are many other reasons. Thank you for your questions and making me give an account VProud!



Next up is the simultaneous creation of an infinite and growing number of infinities of universes. This will unify the dark energy constant and laws of quantum action for all universes.

There are a few fallacies in here, 1, multiverse theory isn't a particularly strong one, there are alternative theories out there with just about as much weight as the single one which you need to be true in order for this whole speel to even have a chance of working. Good luck to you if that theory is disproven. 2, if you actually had a theory which explained all this so perfectly you would be a Nobel Prize winner, shaking hands with any big political and scientific person, huge in the news...

 

[Usus Vox Tractus]

There are a few fallacies in here, 1, multiverse theory isn't a particularly strong one, there are alternative theories out there with just about as much weight as the single one which you need to be true in order for this whole speel to even have a chance of working. Good luck to you if that theory is disproven. 2, if you actually had a theory which explained all this so perfectly you would be a Nobel Prize winner, shaking hands with any big political and scientific person, huge in the news...

All I can do is refine it as much as I am capable of and "sacrifice" it to the minds of humanity. I will find out where I am weak and in need of pruning or retraining to become stronger. This is active growth. A pressing of my face to the polishing wheel.

I know, and I am not at all looking forwards to it. It's going to make my life much more noisy, complex and precarious to navigate

Only slightly more hazardous than my current job climbing/trimming trees. Only more so because more than just my own life is put at risk. I know well the gauntlet I will face if I am correct. I have a family to look after and the feelings of over 6 billion people to be very mindful and compassionate with.

"Science" is used to tearing each others stuff apart or finding it to be solid. So who else am I going to seek for intelligent reworkability?




Here's the other side of this coin. If I am correct, what kind of responsibility do I then bare towards my fellow man? What If choose not to publish? What am I then accountable for in front of God when I die? What if I have something good and I do nothing? What If I hide my talent?

What then?

 

[Ana the Ist]

I described the start of the universe as God exhaling.

And your conundrum is exactly why I switched models to explain the same action. Best represented in sono-luminescence: The water is pulled apart by sound and a mostly vacuum vapor state is left in it's wake.

The Breathe of God is left in the wake of the "opening" of God to make the universal void space.

So if you must stick with the anthropic example: The Breathe of God was made inside the body of God and He exhaled a vapor of His own blood plasma. But it's a messy metaphor .


You could also think of the body of God like an infinite block of Swiss Cheese, it has no external boundary. God says "Holy Cheese!" and infinite holes appear in the cheese. Cheese vapor is left in the holes.

We are patterned clouds of cheese vapor whizzing by each other, surrounded above and below and all about by The Big Cheese.

It's nice that you're referring to statements you've already made, and I am sorry to ask you to retread old ground....but let's pretend I didn't read any of that and I'm not gonna pour through your posts looking for it.

I am starting to sense though that your answer is that he didn't breathe in anything or something along those lines...

 

[PsychoSarah]

All I can do is refine it as much as I am capable of and "sacrifice" it to the minds of humanity. I will find out where I am weak and in need of pruning or retraining to become stronger. This is active growth. A pressing of my face to the polishing wheel.

I know, and I am not at all looking forwards to it. It's going to make my life much more noisy, complex and precarious to navigate

Only slightly more hazardous than my current job climbing/trimming trees. Only more so because more than just my own life is put at risk. I know well the gauntlet I will face if I am correct. I have a family to look after and the feelings of over 6 billion people to be very mindful and compassionate with.

"Science" is used to tearing each others stuff apart or finding it to be solid. So who else am I going to seek for intelligent reworkability?




Here's the other side of this coin. If I am correct, what kind of responsibility do I then bare towards my fellow man? What If choose not to publish? What am I then accountable for in front of God when I die? What if I have something good and I do nothing? What If I hide my talent?

What then?

Posting what you view as accurate on a site like this rather than having it published by a peer edited journal, you might as well not say anything.

 

[Usus Vox Tractus]

Posting what you view as accurate on a site like this rather than having it published by a peer edited journal, you might as well not say anything.

Posting on a site like this is like thrusting my sword into a wall until it sticks and I and strong. Then I will be able to slay a powerful man. And I will have already slain myself over and over. Perhaps that is the most important accomplishment.

I am here for the practice before I think to step into official rings. I need to be as sharp a possible to do this whole thing any kind of justice.

I lead a very busy, pay check to pay check life taking care of several other people. I don't have the time or money to publish in esteemed journals.

I am doing what I can with what's in front of me....and that's you!


Might as well start somewhere with someone right?