Logic model for quantizing a real infinity: Proof of the universe by God.

[lesliedellow]

Attempting to unify QM with theism is woo woo?

Well that's the polite way of putting it yes.

 

[Received]

Well that's the polite way of putting it yes.

What's the realistic way of putting it?

 

[lesliedellow]

What's the realistic way of putting it?

#?&%£'*='@# with knobs on.

 

[Eudaimonist]

It's woo woo only if you presuppose that "spiritual" means "non-physical".

Many people I have spoken with do just that. If you don't, how are you defining "spiritual" in this context?

I'm just trying to make a distinction between macro- and micro- so that spiritual can still have some sense of meaning or application.

I'd love to hear what you think that distinction is with respect to spirituality. Why is the micro more spiritual than the macro?


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Received]

#?&%£'*='@# with knobs on.

 

[Received]

Many people I have spoken with do just that. If you don't, how are you defining "spiritual" in this context?

Another way than non-physical. Hence my attempt at a distinction. But just because I can't come up with a good alternative doesn't mean there ain't one.

I'd love to hear what you think that distinction is with respect to spirituality. Why is the micro more spiritual than the macro?


eudaimonia,

Mark

Well, I don't quite dig what Usus holds, but I wouldn't doubt I will if he keeps making incredible posts like he has. So far I'm thinking God is the unifying field of QM (if that's even the right word to use), or even that super duper duper small stuff area we haven't yet, or can't even, conceptualize but know is there. Macro stuff is non-QM stuff in the physical sphere. There's something inherent to the former that isn't with the latter, though, well beyond physical stuff. Because even quarks are physical, aren't they? You can see I'm struggling.

 

[Ana the Ist]

#?&%£'*='@# with knobs on.

I'm guessing "...... with knobs on" is a regional expression...

I'd love to hear the meaning though, please P M me if it's forum inappropriate leslie?

 

[Ana the Ist]

So far I'm thinking God is the unifying field of QM (if that's even the right word to use), or even that super duper duper small stuff area we haven't yet, or can't even, conceptualize but know is there.

Why?

 

[lesliedellow]

I'm guessing "...... with knobs on" is a regional expression...

I'd love to hear the meaning though, please P M me if it's forum inappropriate leslie?

It is an English colloquialism, and it is just a way of adding emphasis. For example, if after having a row, somebody said to you:

"Well, good riddance, and I don't see you again any time soon."

The reply might be:

"And the same to you, with knobs on."

I don't know how the expression originated.

 

[Ana the Ist]

It is an English colloquialism, and it is just a way of adding emphasis. For example, if after having a row, somebody said to you:

"Well, good riddance, and I don't see you again any time soon."

The reply might be:

"And the same to you, with knobs on."

I don't know how the expression originated.

I get it now. Thanks!

Sounds a bit like "with bells on".

 

[Received]

Why?

Ask Usus. He definitely knows what he's talking about a lot more than I do with this subject. I'm just thinking out loud here.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Ask Usus. He definitely knows what he's talking about a lot more than I do with this subject. I'm just thinking out loud here.

You want me to ask Usus to explain why you believe something that you believe?

You know...if you didn't want to answer you could've just said so. I won't call it a cop out, i just won't take it seriously when you make a similar statement in the future.

 

[Received]

You want me to ask Usus to explain why you believe something that you believe?

You know...if you didn't want to answer you could've just said so. I won't call it a cop out, i just won't take it seriously when you make a similar statement in the future.

Can we please go ONE response on these forums without superfluously appealing to a copout. Just ONE? (Sorry, Ana, that was only very minimally directed at you.)

And I don't believe Usus' ideology. I'm only trying to prove how it isn't heretical. I don't believe (yet) that the quantum world explains the spiritual. But I do think the quantum world is the fundamental playing ground for the spiritual (God) to change things, especially given indeterminacy.

 

[Usus Vox Tractus]

Gobbledygook. What you really mean is that you are trying to bring God down to a level you can comprehend. That, and you want to fool yourself that you can "prove" his existence.

I wouldn't trust either theology or science in your hands - or those of the Electric Universe nutters.

Bring God down??? Hah! No, I'm bringing my skill of reckoning and logic up to a level acceptable by God. To build a temple of the knowledge of truth upon His Rock. I have more praise for the Highness of God than most people are willing to hear!

You know that grey wrinkly thing in your head? It's the most complex object in the known universe, composed of the universe and by the forces of the universe God unfolded into perfect accordance. You are directly immersed and interpenetrated by all Law, whether you know it or not. You are made within the Image of God, composed of the Image of God; the only thing that can come to knowing and consciously interact with God is you! You have been specifically built to do so.

I will do all I am capable of and multiply my talents so that I can authentically say, "God, I have done my best to understand you, here's the offering of what I have increased of what you have given me. Correct me."


I already know God exists. I experienced His Spirit directly over 17 years ago. My faith is authored. Between then and now I have wrestled with the real existence of the Kingdom of Heaven and I have found an order that is 100% "scientific" meaning purely logical and mathematical and perfect. It also matches the Genesis account of creation when you know how to read it. Also matches the basic creation elements from all the oldest stories man has.

What I've worked out, with much spiritual help, also matches up with the visions of the KoH reported by Ezekiel, Daniel, and John. I know what and where the surface of the sea of glass is, what the wheels within wheels are and why they have eyes on the inside and out side of themselves. I know that there absolutely is a heaven and a hell and an Eternal Abode beyond all created universes.

It tells me exactly how and why we are made in the Image of God because I now know what that Image is and how God unfolds it via the Word. I come from the place where the Light stood up on it's own.

I have done and am doing this: (22) Jesus saw infants being suckled. He said to his disciples, "These infants being suckled are like those who enter the kingdom."
They said to him, "Shall we then, as children, enter the kingdom?"
Jesus said to them, "When you make the two one, and when you make the inside like the outside and the outside like the inside, and the above like the below, and when you make the male and the female one and the same, so that the male not be male nor the female female; and when you fashion eyes in the place of an eye, and a hand in place of a hand, and a foot in place of a foot, and a likeness in place of a likeness; then will you enter the kingdom."

I am Male so that I might penetrate the Kingdom of Heaven: Prv 25:2 It is the glory of God to conceal a matter; to search out a matter is the glory of kings.


I am Female so that I might receive the KoH as a part of the Bride at the Wedding of the Lamb.

Mat 6:33 But seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness, and all these things will be added to you.

I can joyfully confirm the biblical story of Jesus as a universal Truth. In the beginning God speaks a Word (his own Name) and that manifests an individuated expression (Lord God) with a void space (universe), within the original Infinity (God the Father). He is "born" immaculately from a virgin body (Infinite body of GOD before creation), made of the same "flesh" as his Father. The Son is the first of all existence whom all the rest is made through.

If the Jesus story is 100% historically true, it is a reoccurrence (demonstration) of the Universal Truth so that mankind may know his God, his Advocate and himself and come to a relationship.

If the Jesus story is 100% allegorical mythos. It is a retelling of the Universal Truth so that mankind may come to know his God, his Advocate, and himself and come to a relationship.

I find that extremely edifying!


It is like I am pointing at God and jumping up and down and shouting for joy, and your telling me I have dirt on my finger and my nails need clipping! Yes they do!



I am learning as many tongues as I need to in order to express the rock solid Logos I have found (that found me), hammered out, rechecked, and confirmed through a multitude of angles and sources, ancient and new, religious and scientific. If you continue to strike me with your venom, I will handle you too. Gently.


So perhaps a better approach is to prove the perfection of the Powers and Principalities that rule the universe within you and all around you and preach the good news, the Gospel of the Kingdom of Heaven. People will come to God as they are able.


I am not a tower. I do not expect you "believe what I say as I shout from on high"

I am a bridge. I thrust myself underneath your feet. I expect you to walk all over and trample me. I will be solid because I have already reached the other side and I am founded on the Corner Stone, the stone from the center of the mountain unhewn by the hands of men. I expect you to pass over me.

 

[Usus Vox Tractus]

IRL: The hurricane was quite mild, only a couple phone calls for tree work this morning. =) Leavening for work just in a bit.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Can we please go ONE response on these forums without superfluously appealing to a copout. Just ONE? (Sorry, Ana, that was only very minimally directed at you.)

And I don't believe Usus' ideology. I'm only trying to prove how it isn't heretical. I don't believe (yet) that the quantum world explains the spiritual. But I do think the quantum world is the fundamental playing ground for the spiritual (God) to change things, especially given indeterminacy.

Such is the way of unsubstantiated assertions Received. Personally, I have no problem with someone making an unsubstantiated assertion...everyone is entitled to their opinion. The problem only arises for me when someone makes such a statement... and seems as if they want others to consider it. If that's the case, they should expect the types of followup questions you've been getting.

However, it seems now that wasn't the case...you were just weighing in with your opinion and didn't really want anyone to consider it. It's a difficult thing to discern over the internet. If that's the case, I'll respectfully retract my "Why?"

 

[Usus Vox Tractus]

Why?

Another way than non-physical. Hence my attempt at a distinction. But just because I can't come up with a good alternative doesn't mean there ain't one.



Well, I don't quite dig what Usus holds, but I wouldn't doubt I will if he keeps making incredible posts like he has. So far I'm thinking God is the unifying field of QM (if that's even the right word to use), or even that super duper duper small stuff area we haven't yet, or can't even, conceptualize but know is there. Macro stuff is non-QM stuff in the physical sphere. There's something inherent to the former that isn't with the latter, though, well beyond physical stuff. Because even quarks are physical, aren't they? You can see I'm struggling.

Before I go to work I want to get back to you...


In brief: GOD before the beginning of a universe is like the body of a man (only for the purpose of this functional metaphor). God opens his mouth to speak the Word and vibrates it into Being with his breath filled mouth.

GOD opening His mouth is the creation of the space of the universe. He remains outside the universe as God the Father in Christian terminology.

His breath fills the entire space of his mouth/universe. The (Holy)Spirit of God permeates all existence and is the very medium vibrating to give rise to all form and phenomenon. Vibrating/boiling/foamy quantum field (matrice).

His Word is a vibrational expression of Himself composed by his own breath within the universe. This is God the Son. The Lord of all creation. The Holy One. The soul that incarnated a Jesus.



I have another example to explain this triple contraction into 3 relative finite structures as a single motion within a single homogeneous substance. But that will have to wait until I get back from work. TTYL!

 

[Received]

Such is the way of unsubstantiated assertions Received. Personally, I have no problem with someone making an unsubstantiated assertion...everyone is entitled to their opinion. The problem only arises for me when someone makes such a statement... and seems as if they want others to consider it. If that's the case, they should expect the types of followup questions you've been getting.

However, it seems now that wasn't the case...you were just weighing in with your opinion and didn't really want anyone to consider it. It's a difficult thing to discern over the internet. If that's the case, I'll respectfully retract my "Why?"

Thanks. I can't blame you for assuming I was trying to make a specific point, rather than make a point with just enough of a requirement to prove non-heresy rather than an independent content-filled point.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Before I go to work I want to get back to you...


In brief: GOD before the beginning of a universe is like the body of a man (only for the purpose of this functional metaphor). God opens his mouth to speak the Word and vibrates it into Being with his breath filled mouth.

GOD opening His mouth is the creation of the space of the universe. He remains outside the universe as God the Father in Christian terminology.

His breath fills the entire space of his mouth/universe. The (Holy)Spirit of God permeates all existence and is the very medium vibrating to give rise to all form and phenomenon. Vibrating/boiling/foamy quantum field (matrice).

His Word is a vibrational expression of Himself composed by his own breath within the universe. This is God the Son. The Lord of all creation. The Holy One. The soul that incarnated a Jesus.



I have another example to explain this triple contraction into 3 relative finite structures as a single motion within a single homogeneous substance. But that will have to wait until I get back from work. TTYL!

For the purposes of your metaphor, what did god breathe in to create the universe? You're stating that something already existed.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Thanks. I can't blame you for assuming I was trying to make a specific point, rather than make a point with just enough of a requirement to prove non-heresy rather than an independent content-filled point.

N p. It's the nature of these forums I guess, we sort of expect everything to have some explainable basis.