Logic model for quantizing a real infinity: Proof of the universe by God.

[Usus Vox Tractus]

Gracchus I have more questions for you before trying to put all this into set theory language, and that has to do with angle of approach...

One approach is to use observations and scientific evidence to build upwards in scale and peer backwards in time. But the actual direction of causation is forwards in time and possibly downwards in scale.

There is also the limit to scientific observations backwards in time as shown by the cosmological background radiation "curtain" that surrounds the observable universe. It's is widely accepted that there is polygalatic cosmological space similar to ours beyond our temporal light curtain.


I call it the Humpty Dumpty enigma: Can we put the original state back together by the piece we have? Do we have all the pieces?

What if a picture of Humpty Dumpty can be arrived at by pure math and predicts the shapes of all the pieces that we have so far, and gives the predicted sizes of the pieces that are still "dark" to us?


I try to proceed in both directions simultaneously to show where they start overlapping.


Your thoughts?

 

[Deidre32]

How does this prove god's existence? It only "proves" your idea of him.

 

[VProud]

Order does not increase over time, it decreases.
The emergence of 'patterns' is unrelated to order.
Chaos simply means the total amount of states something can be in.

As we can see the universe tends towards disorder as opposed to order.

It's far harder to convert chaos to order than order to chaos.
For instance, mixing milk with water is far easier than separating milk from water once the are mixed.

The existence of DNA is not an example of an increase in 'order' since it required energy input and therefor the energy gradient shifted into a position in-which more combinations were possible.
Order is NOT the same as structure, since there is no definitive 'right' or intrinsically 'organized' structure or property.


Google 'The Second Law of Thermodynamics'.

 

[Usus Vox Tractus]

Heretical theology in support of pseudo science.

How wonderful.

I have a personal, living/growing/shedding/rebirthing relationship with God. You should try it some time, it's full of wonders.

I call it wrestling with God, angels, and men for the knowledge of Truth, refusing to let go until blessed...even if I am wounded in the process.

Working out my own salvation with great awe and reverence.

This the multiplication of my talents, and the sharing of them. The entire goal is to sing a psalm of praise with understanding and to be a workman before God unashamed, rightly dividing the Word of Truth. To love God with all my heart, mind, soul, and strength.

I will not let go until blessed.




In the mean time it should be an interesting exploration and conversation yes? Where is your childlike sense of wonder and adventure? Who knows what we all might learn from each other?

 

[Usus Vox Tractus]

"Heretical" is too often code for "stuff that doesn't agree with us, but we can't yet burn you at the stake."

I most certainly am a "heretic": Middle English: from Old French heretique, via ecclesiastical Latin from Greek hairetikos ‘able to choose’ (in ecclesiastical Greek, ‘heretical’), from haireisthai ‘choose.’


I am able to flex my ability of choice: The ability to choose, to not choose, and to un-choose what previously was chosen. I retain this right as a sovereign self conscious being and do not give it over to another man or doctrine of men.

Because when I stand before the Judge, I will not be able to hide behind the beliefs of another man or doctrine of men. I must stand on my own account and accordance.


Proverbs 25:2 "It is the glory of God to conceal a matter; to search out a matter is the glory of kings."

 

[Usus Vox Tractus]

How does this prove god's existence? It only "proves" your idea of him.

An idea that so far accurately yields the forms and functions found within the observable universe.

And I haven't even gotten to the equation yet. (not a 2d equation). An equation like a set of scales in perfect equal balance with a gram on gold on one side and a gram of feathers on the other.

Perhaps I should drop the word "God" altogether and simply describe the discreet states and subsequent phase shifts that I see resulting in the state of existence we find ourselves in.

 

[Usus Vox Tractus]

Order does not increase over time, it decreases.
The emergence of 'patterns' is unrelated to order.
Chaos simply means the total amount of states something can be in.

As we can see the universe tends towards disorder as opposed to order.

It's far harder to convert chaos to order than order to chaos.
For instance, mixing milk with water is far easier than separating milk from water once the are mixed.

The existence of DNA is not an example of an increase in 'order' since it required energy input and therefor the energy gradient shifted into a position in-which more combinations were possible.
Order is NOT the same as structure, since there is no definitive 'right' or intrinsically 'organized' structure or property.


Google 'The Second Law of Thermodynamics'.

When I look at the universe I don't see disorder or chaos, I see an aggregate that is ordered by unwavering physical laws, "finely tuned" at all interacting levels.

Is the Universe Fine-Tuned for Life? - The Nature of Reality

Faber, a professor at the University of California, Santa Cruz, was referring to the idea that there is something uncannily perfect about our universe. The laws of physics and the values of physical constants seem, as Goldilocks said, “just right.” If even one of a host of physical properties of the universe had been different, stars, planets, and galaxies would never have formed. Life would have been all but impossible.

Take, for instance, the neutron. It is 1.00137841870 times heavier than the proton, which is what allows it to decay into a proton, electron and neutrino—a process that determined the relative abundances of hydrogen and helium after the big bang and gave us a universe dominated by hydrogen. If the neutron-to-proton mass ratio were even slightly different, we would be living in a very different universe: one, perhaps, with far too much helium, in which stars would have burned out too quickly for life to evolve, or one in which protons decayed into neutrons rather than the other way around, leaving the universe without atoms. So, in fact, we wouldn’t be living here at all—we wouldn’t exist.

Examples of such “fine-tuning” abound. Tweak the charge on an electron, for instance, or change the strength of the gravitational force or the strong nuclear force just a smidgen, and the universe would look very different, and likely be lifeless. The challenge for physicists is explaining why such physical parameters are what they are.

 

[Freodin]

When I look at the universe I don't see disorder or chaos, I see an aggregate that is ordered by unwavering physical laws, "finely tuned" at all interacting levels.

Is the Universe Fine-Tuned for Life? - The Nature of Reality

Faber, a professor at the University of California, Santa Cruz, was referring to the idea that there is something uncannily perfect about our universe. The laws of physics and the values of physical constants seem, as Goldilocks said, “just right.” If even one of a host of physical properties of the universe had been different, stars, planets, and galaxies would never have formed. Life would have been all but impossible.

Take, for instance, the neutron. It is 1.00137841870 times heavier than the proton, which is what allows it to decay into a proton, electron and neutrino—a process that determined the relative abundances of hydrogen and helium after the big bang and gave us a universe dominated by hydrogen. If the neutron-to-proton mass ratio were even slightly different, we would be living in a very different universe: one, perhaps, with far too much helium, in which stars would have burned out too quickly for life to evolve, or one in which protons decayed into neutrons rather than the other way around, leaving the universe without atoms. So, in fact, we wouldn’t be living here at all—we wouldn’t exist.

Examples of such “fine-tuning” abound. Tweak the charge on an electron, for instance, or change the strength of the gravitational force or the strong nuclear force just a smidgen, and the universe would look very different, and likely be lifeless. The challenge for physicists is explaining why such physical parameters are what they are.

I always found these "fine-tuning" arguments to be fundamentally flawed. The main reason is that, contrary to what they claim, they do not - can not! - explain the reason for this apparent "tuning".

All the examples that may be provided only lead to a "fine-tuning", if you start with the assumption of existence of a universe where these values work. There already need to be a primary existence where "neutrons are 1.00137841870 times heavier than the proton"... instead of a created existence where these concepts do not previously exist.

 

[bhsmte]

How does this prove god's existence? It only "proves" your idea of him.

It proves he has his own hypothesis and that is about it.

 

[Usus Vox Tractus]

I always found these "fine-tuning" arguments to be fundamentally flawed. The main reason is that, contrary to what they claim, they do not - can not! - explain the reason for this apparent "tuning".

All the examples that may be provided only lead to a "fine-tuning", if you start with the assumption of existence of a universe where these values work. There already need to be a primary existence where "neutrons are 1.00137841870 times heavier than the proton"... instead of a created existence where these concepts do not previously exist.

I believe I can explain exactly why the neutron is ever so slightly heavier than the proton.

What we see are specific particulate relationships that yield these fine tunings. I have found the wave form expression that patterns for the particulate relationships. Like why there are even 3 quarks to a proton and neutron in the first place. And why their quarks are an inverse relationship to each other.

The top holographic, super-symmetric image of the universe as a nest of membranes and containers that act resonant chambers. There are 6 internal chambers. They pattern for 3 density levels of matter and 3 of antimatter("mirror" inverse charge matter)


I'll get to how in just a bit, if weather permits...



I live on Big Island Hawaii and hurricane Iselle is about to make landfall. I am in the path of the strongest wind funnel, between Maui and Big Island. Wish me luck!

 

[Usus Vox Tractus]

It proves he has his own hypothesis and that is about it.

One I've worked on for 17 years that gelled about 2 years ago. I am still learning how to express it as 2d language others can metabolize.

It is so much easier to draw it visually for you step by step. A holographic display would be ideal. I am constrained to the tools at hand.

 

[lesliedellow]

"Heretical" is too often code for "stuff that doesn't agree with us, but we can't yet burn you at the stake."

God as a physical being is heretical by anybody's standards.

 

[lesliedellow]

I have a personal, living/growing/shedding/rebirthing relationship with God. You should try it some time, it's full of wonders.

I call it wrestling with God, angels, and men for the knowledge of Truth, refusing to let go until blessed...even if I am wounded in the process.

If it persuades you that God is a physical being like his creatures, it can't be that wonderful. In fact I would say it exists nowhere outside of your own head.

Not only is it heretical, it is also illogical.

 

[bhsmte]

One I've worked on for 17 years that gelled about 2 years ago. I am still learning how to express it as 2d language others can metabolize.

It is so much easier to draw it visually for you step by step. A holographic display would be ideal. I am constrained to the tools at hand.

Like i have said, if your personal hypothesis works for you, that is great.

In regards to how it may apply to others, that is something completely different, without verifiable objective evidence to support it.

 

[Usus Vox Tractus]

God as a physical being is heretical by anybody's standards.

I am saying The God before creation is ALL SUBSTANTIAL and all that substance is patterned.

I am not saying that The God is a person like you and me. But I do say His self expressed finite generation within the universe is: God the Son.


The physical being of God in the Highest would be like an ocean of quark matter, billions of times denser and hotter than atomic wave from matter. All physical matter would be consumed in a blazing of glory if contacting the substance of God. All consuming fire. There is no room for anything else, no space between quarks.

Universes are bubbles in the infinite quark ocean body of The God. They are created by "sonic cavitation" by the Word.




I am positing an actual God, which an actual physical existence, with actual physical influence on the entire universe at once at all scales.

The God I purpose, actually physically exists. Thou who art actually "there" who name is "Hallowed" (set apart).

 

[bhsmte]

One I've worked on for 17 years that gelled about 2 years ago. I am still learning how to express it as 2d language others can metabolize.

It is so much easier to draw it visually for you step by step. A holographic display would be ideal. I am constrained to the tools at hand.

How long it took for you to convince yourself of your personal hypothesis, adds no credibility to it. It took me 40 years to figure out Christianity was a story I simply couldn't believe and was likely fantasy. That doesn't give my view any more merit than someone who never believed in Christianity.

 

[Belk]

I'm beginning to think we are drifting into time cube territory.

 

[Deidre32]

It proves he has his own hypothesis and that is about it.

It's interesting what 'qualities' mankind attaches to the idea of a Deity. The Deity will be Infinite. The Deity will be all loving, all knowing, all powerful, all everything. It will abhor immorality, and it will have a set of rules for all of man to follow.

But, when you view religion/spirituality objectively, you realize that God is really whatever man hopes and wants him to be. That doesn't mean that if a god exists, he/it would be any of those qualities.

Maybe a god does exist, but he just lets it all roll on. Evolution, and what not.

I have ideas, too.

 

[bhsmte]

It's interesting what 'qualities' mankind attaches to the idea of a Deity. The Deity will be Infinite. The Deity will be all loving, all knowing, all powerful, all everything. It will abhor immorality, and it will have a set of rules for all of man to follow.

But, when you view religion/spirituality objectively, you realize that God is really whatever man hopes and wants him to be. That doesn't mean that if a god exists, he/it would be any of those qualities.

Maybe a god does exist, but he just lets it all roll on. Evolution, and what not.

I have ideas, too.

What is even most interesting to me, is how anyone can actually claim to know the qualities they attribute to a God, are legit.

All you hear is; God is this, God is that and when asked to support their position, they basically say; because he is God.

 

[Usus Vox Tractus]

I'm beginning to think we are drifting into time cube territory.

You're ahead of the curve! I've equated that relative time-space is unfolded as a sphere. It unfolds as a sphere because before a beginning the Infinite saturate is all around itself equally in all directions.

That is 1 of 3 spatial relationships a real Infinite has with itself.

A second is that it is at the center of itself every where

A third is that it is throughout all points simultaneously.



The energetic relationship it has with itself is "flat". There are no higher or lower levels of energy. It is the same throughout.


It is One. A wave form expression of this Real Infinite One would be in a singular direction as a flat plane and manifest an infinite number of quantized "wholons". Each universe is a wholon waveform; A spread apart hologram of the qualities of the Origin Substance. Like the colors out of white light.

The first tier of the inner wholon image is a spherical ceiling, a central point, and a vector equilibrium lattice as the floor of vibrational scale. Those are the finite structures that maintain the spatial relationships of the Original Infinite within the universe. As within, so without. Radial super-symmetry.


Between the lines of the quantum lattice is the void space all created forms travel through and upon.

There are 4 tiers that unfolds all the laws of the universe.