Logic about same race marriage

[Danhalen]

When concerning the Aboriginal, I will have to study up on them as I am not particularly familiar with them.

What exactly do you need to read up on? Aboriginal Australians have dark skin and curly hair. Should they be able to interbreed with dark-skinned Africans? This should be a no brainer for you.

Here is a photograph of an Australian aboriginal.​

http://www.crystalinks.com/aboriginalart.gif

 

[southernmissfan]

Well people aren't lions. What would you call Halle Berry? She clearly looks Black but of course her mother is white.

I'd call her hot, which apparently means I'm going to hell...

 

[Kasey]

Well people aren't lions. What would you call Halle Berry? She clearly looks Black but of course her mother is white.

Yes, I know that people arent lions, but the classification of the sorting of them is the same.

Why are you asking me what I would call this individual?

 

[Kasey]

What exactly do you need to read up on? Aboriginal Australians have dark skin and curly hair. Should they be able to interbreed with dark-skinned Africans? This should be a no brainer for you.

Here is a photograph of an Australian aboriginal.

http://www.crystalinks.com/aboriginalart.gif

Do you have any more pictures or have some links that have more information about them?

 

[praying]

Why are you asking me what I would call this individual?

Because you want to put folks in a nice neat little box, but you know what, life ain't black and white like that. Pun intended.

 

[Danhalen]

Do you have any more pictures or have some links that have more information about them?

What kind of information do you need? Just tell me how you define race. That's all I want. What makes me white, and Lebron James black? If you aren't merely using physical cues, such as skin tone, what are you using? How do you demarcate race?

 

[gaijin178]

So much to respond to and I will later. I am too angry right now reading the replies from Kasey so I will sit on it for a bit until I calm down. I don't want to spend my friday night with this kind of emotion. Also, Kasey, you didn't respond to the verses that I posted. You kind of attempted to but didn't really. You wanted me to go back to another book and discover the definition of strange which you posted. I will look into that later so that I can come back to you. However, since you didn't respond to the verses and links that I posted, you must be ignoring that part of the bible. Since you asked me to go to the bible even though I am not Christian, I did so. Since you didn't respond to them, you must not agree with them. So, are you concluding that these parts of the bible aren't correct and that there might be some contridiction in your thought process?

And by the way, since this is a topic of race, I would prefer it if you would use the correct term when defining people like Jackie Chan and Jet Li. The term is Asian, or Pacific Islander. It's not oriental. As you can see, oriental isn't capitalized because it refers to objects, not people. So unless you are refering to Asian folks as objects, which obviously isn't correct, don't make yourself sound more ignorant by using that term. I'll post more later.

 

[U R my Sonshine]

In addition, all these sites that you mentioned ignore the simple fact that Adam and Eve were not the first people created upon Earth. In fact, they were the last. Shall I show this to you as well?

Yes please...show us how Adam and Eve were the last. How is "Kasey Bible Publishing Company" doing these days? Right up there with the Jehovahs Witness Bible, Publishers no doubt.

Well....I suppose we should just praise God that this is not the predominate way of thinking. And....we are free to marry like faithed people and don't have the "Kasey Patrol" dictating this to us.

I will be THRILLED when my son and daughter each choose a CHRISTIAN spouse who loves and respects them and I could not care less how much melanin the person produces in their skin.

 

[U R my Sonshine]

So much to respond to and I will later. I am too angry right now reading the replies from Kasey so I will sit on it for a bit until I calm down. I don't want to spend my friday night with this kind of emotion. Also, Kasey, you didn't respond to the verses that I posted. You kind of attempted to but didn't really. You wanted me to go back to another book and discover the definition of strange which you posted. I will look into that later so that I can come back to you. However, since you didn't respond to the verses and links that I posted, you must be ignoring that part of the bible. Since you asked me to go to the bible even though I am not Christian, I did so. Since you didn't respond to them, you must not agree with them. So, are you concluding that these parts of the bible aren't correct and that there might be some contridiction in your thought process?

And by the way, since this is a topic of race, I would prefer it if you would use the correct term when defining people like Jackie Chan and Jet Li. The term is Asian, or Pacific Islander. It's not oriental. As you can see, oriental isn't capitalized because it refers to objects, not people. So unless you are refering to Asian folks as objects, which obviously isn't correct, don't make yourself sound more ignorant by using that term. I'll post more later.

Gaijin, you should look into Jesus. You have demonstrated more Christian love than the "supposed" Christian Kaysey.

Have a great weekend...and rest assured, this is not typical of Christians to spew such hate.

 

[gaijin178]

Gaijin, you should look into Jesus. You have demonstrated more Christian love than the "supposed" Christian Kaysey.

Have a great weekend...and rest assured, this is not typical of Christians to spew such hate.

Thank you U R,

I hope to be able to love always, even though it is very hard and we all have our issues. I have looked into Jesus and I like what he had to say. I was raised Christian yet I am very happy to have found the path that I am on. You have a great weekend as well.

 

[gaijin178]

You are ignoring this context of Ezra, of the Hebrew concerning the word "strange" in those passages. The word 'strange' is "nokriy" and it specifically means a foreign "non-relative" person. That nails it right there.

In addition, all these sites that you mentioned ignore the simple fact that Adam and Eve were not the first people created upon Earth. In fact, they were the last. Shall I show this to you as well?

Sigh, lets have a go, for some reason I CAN'T let this go even if I know you will never change your mind. Instead of me checking Ezra right now, why don't you please check the verses that were quoted in this link.

Also, why are you bringing up Adam and Eve not being the first people created on Earth? What does this have to do with interracial marriage? So yes, please let me know what you are talking about.

 

[gaijin178]

Interpretation? There is no personal interpretation of the Bible as the Bible interprets itself. Shall I give you an example? Yes, I will.

Christ was righteous. Therefore, what is rightouesness? - Psalms 119: 171-172 and that is God's Commandments and Statutes, or, God's Laws. Therefore, we see that Christ was righteous because Christ kept the Law.

A small example, but an excellent one non-the-less. However, in regards to your disgust concerning my thought process of interracial marriage being wrong, I can only laugh at that. Your not a Christian, your a buddhist so why would you care anyways?

Still, I think I should give some more....

1. What is "love" - Romans 13:10 - Fulfilling God's Law
2. What is "The Love of God"? - 1 John 5:3 - Keeping God's Commandments.
3. What is "sin"? - 1 John 3:4 - Sin is breaking God's Law.

I think I rest my case on this regard

Obviously, the bible does not interpret itself since you hold a very unorthodox INTERPRETATION of the bible. Besides, if the bible interpreted itself, there wouldn't be thousands of Christian denominations in the US alone if this were true.

I am trying to laugh at your thoughts to find some kind of light in your posts but alas, I cannot. You ask why I should care what you think because I am a Buddhist, well when you say things that are directly or indirectly related to my life, then I feel that I need to set the record straight. I understand that your interpretation of the bible is how you are going to believe and no matter what, I will not change that.

So you are describing love when it comes to faith in God and following Gods law. God also talked about the kind of love that happens between two people. This is the love we are talking about.

 

[gaijin178]

Distort the Bible? I havent distorted anything. The contradiction and problems lies with you, not the Bible and not with me.

Frankly, I dont care if you or anyone else take offense to the fact that I am against intterracial marriage as it is against the teachings of the Bible. You and those like you, who support interracial marriage are offensive to me. You and those who continue to call me "hateful" and that what Im sayig is hateful and sick and perverted, with no evidence to back it up, are offensive to me. All you do is name-calling, but you have "nothing" from the Bible to support your claims, nothing.

The final basis for your claim lies within the fact that the vast majority believe that the Bible teaches that we all come from Adam and Eve, yet, it doesnt and I can prove it. Would you like to see the evidence, for I would be more than happy to show it to you?

One more go....You make it sound like it's a cause to fight for...you make it sound like I am in the streets with signs saying more rights for interracial couples. The fact is, that you are in the minority in your views. A majority of Christians interpret the bible in a way that says nothing about interracial relationships. You my friend, are one of the few who choses to see it otherwise for whatever reasons that you have. Frankly, I don't care if you feel offended by interracial marriages, that's your issue, not mine. And no, it's not my issue, or the bible's issue, or God's issue, it's yours and yours alone. I am sorry that you feel that we are calling you hateful, but that is what your words are showing us. If I was to say hateful things to someone and had no clue what I was really doing, I would want someone to let me know that what I said wasn't cool. I have to assume that wherever you are living in the US, has very little diversity. I feel bad for you. But you are welcome to do as you are, and hold your beliefs no matter how wrong they are and date and only date those of your own race. And you can do whatever you can to prevent your kids from being exposed to people other than their own race and hope that they don't fall in love with someone other than White Anglo-Saxan Protestant. God forbid they actually meet and associated with beings other than themselves, other members of God's creation to put it in your terms.

 

[gaijin178]

Ok, I'm done ranting for now until Mr. Kasey comes back with more.

 

[Kasey]

So much to respond to and I will later. I am too angry right now reading the replies from Kasey so I will sit on it for a bit until I calm down. I don't want to spend my friday night with this kind of emotion. Also, Kasey, you didn't respond to the verses that I posted. You kind of attempted to but didn't really. You wanted me to go back to another book and discover the definition of strange which you posted. I will look into that later so that I can come back to you. However, since you didn't respond to the verses and links that I posted, you must be ignoring that part of the bible. Since you asked me to go to the bible even though I am not Christian, I did so. Since you didn't respond to them, you must not agree with them. So, are you concluding that these parts of the bible aren't correct and that there might be some contridiction in your thought process?

Its not that I am ignoring those links that you gave me, Gaijin. They simply do not take into context the key passages that I showed you from Ezra, which nails it perfectly

http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com/interracial.shtml

That link doesnt address the passages in Ezra, or the Hebrew. They go according to the English translation which is not the inspired text of the Bible.

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http://en.bibleinfo.com/questions/question.html?id=750

This link doesnt prove anything either, for they do not even count the passages in Ezra in context as well. Even more so, they dont even address Adam and Eve, in whether case of how they might believe that they were the first humans or not.

There is no contradiction in my thought process. Those websites dont take into account all the evidence, from the statutes and laws of God to the testimony of Ezra as stated that they should be doing according to Isaiah 8:20.

And by the way, since this is a topic of race, I would prefer it if you would use the correct term when defining people like Jackie Chan and Jet Li. The term is Asian, or Pacific Islander. It's not oriental. As you can see, oriental isn't capitalized because it refers to objects, not people. So unless you are refering to Asian folks as objects, which obviously isn't correct, don't make yourself sound more ignorant by using that term. I'll post more later.

Main Entry: ori·en·tal
Pronunciation: "or-E-'en-t&l
Function: adjective
1 often capitalized : of, relating to, or situated in Asia
2 a : of superior grade, luster, or value b : being corundum or sapphire but simulating another gem in color
3 often capitalized, sometimes offensive : ASIAN
4 capitalized : of, relating to, or constituting the biogeographic region that includes Asia south and southeast of the Himalayas and the Malay Archipelago west of Wallace's line
- ori·en·tal·ly /-t&l-E/ adverb

Its a matter of perspective

 

[Kasey]

Sigh, lets have a go, for some reason I CAN'T let this go even if I know you will never change your mind. Instead of me checking Ezra right now, why don't you please check the verses that were quoted in this link.

Done

Also, why are you bringing up Adam and Eve not being the first people created on Earth? What does this have to do with interracial marriage? So yes, please let me know what you are talking about.

The reason being is because this in the beginning of the the supposed "Christian" or "Biblical" support of nothing being wrong when concerning interracial marriage. If Adam and Eve were the first people on earth, then all that I have said would be a lie. I contend that that is not true and I am confident that I have evidence to prove it.

Its very important. Thats why I bring it up.

 

[Kasey]

One more go....You make it sound like it's a cause to fight for...you make it sound like I am in the streets with signs saying more rights for interracial couples. The fact is, that you are in the minority in your views. A majority of Christians interpret the bible in a way that says nothing about interracial relationships. You my friend, are one of the few who choses to see it otherwise for whatever reasons that you have. Frankly, I don't care if you feel offended by interracial marriages, that's your issue, not mine. And no, it's not my issue, or the bible's issue, or God's issue, it's yours and yours alone. I am sorry that you feel that we are calling you hateful, but that is what your words are showing us. If I was to say hateful things to someone and had no clue what I was really doing, I would want someone to let me know that what I said wasn't cool. I have to assume that wherever you are living in the US, has very little diversity. I feel bad for you. But you are welcome to do as you are, and hold your beliefs no matter how wrong they are and date and only date those of your own race. And you can do whatever you can to prevent your kids from being exposed to people other than their own race and hope that they don't fall in love with someone other than White Anglo-Saxan Protestant. God forbid they actually meet and associated with beings other than themselves, other members of God's creation to put it in your terms.

Your right, I am in the minority. I do not dispute that. Yes, "people" interpret the Bible to try to suit their own means, but that Bible doesnt need to be interpreted for it defines itself. Therefore, what I say must be searched for in the scriptures. If I am lieing, the BIble will show it, but if Im not the Bible will show it as well. Thats the key and guess what? ""NO"" one here has been able to show that I am wrong from the scriptures. All they have done is result to demonization, name-calling, and "I say your wrong even though I have no evidence" attitudes.

My words are hateful? On the contrary, I am for the racial purity of ALL races upon the face of this planet. Its not hateful to be that way and I think you know it. You want to do want you want to do and because I might be against it, you think Im being hateful. Thats illogical and un-sound. I have a justfiable reason to be against interracial marriage because its a perversion and twisting of what is pure. The races were meant to be seperate and the animals themselves will testify to this fact, allbeit and granted that sometimes you have abberations.

There is nothing wrong with the association of all different races with each other. Whites can be good friends with Black and Asians and Middle-Eastern folk and all of the like, but interracial marriage is a no-no. Stick with your own kind and everything will be alright. Dont mix/destroy what was created pure.

 

[Kasey]

Obviously, the bible does not interpret itself since you hold a very unorthodox INTERPRETATION of the bible. Besides, if the bible interpreted itself, there wouldn't be thousands of Christian denominations in the US alone if this were true.

Thats not true. It was prophesied from the scriptures by Christ himself that we would have all these different denominations all claiming to be Christian. If the Bible cant define itself, then its not the Word of God and ultimately, that means its fallible. I contend that its not.

The Bible doesnt interpret itself? Are you out of your mind? Christ stated that Abel was righteous in Matthew 23:35. Psalms 119:171-172 states that God's commandments and statutes are "righteousness". Use your head, Gaijin, I know you have that ability. Can you put these two passages together and tell me what they mean, or are you going to insist that the Bible cant define itself, whicih would be a most blatant lie if I ever heard one?

Aside from this, this is not my personal interpretation. HOw about you show me where I am wrong concerning the things that I have showed from the my words that you have quoted in this particular post? Hmm?

I am trying to laugh at your thoughts to find some kind of light in your posts but alas, I cannot. You ask why I should care what you think because I am a Buddhist, well when you say things that are directly or indirectly related to my life, then I feel that I need to set the record straight. I understand that your interpretation of the bible is how you are going to believe and no matter what, I will not change that.

Its not my interpretation. If you belief it is, then I challenge you to show me from the Bible. Can you do that, or are you just going to continue saying "its your interpretation! I cant prove it! But, its your interpretation!"?

Come on Gaijin. Show me where I am wrong from the Bible if you dont believe im telling the truth according to this same book.

So you are describing love when it comes to faith in God and following Gods law. God also talked about the kind of love that happens between two people. This is the love we are talking about.

That love is always in context of being with your own race. If it werent, then the BIble would be contradictory. Its not

 

[DaRkWoLf]

Kasey, a quick point that comes from scripture; but a foreword as well:

Firstly, Ive gotten a smug, yet sad, laugh out of this thread. That someone would actually believe this stuff woleheartedly is a first for me; its not origional in the history of things, but Ive never met someone who honestly believed this BS. Im not going to even try to pretend to try and show respect. There are very few points of view on this planet that I cant admire or understand in some contorted form or another, yet alone tolerate. Using religion as an excuse for racism/social darwinism is one of those things that I cannot tolerate. Now lets get to my points before this becomes a rant-o-thon.

Now Ill admit that Ive gotten this info/scripture reference through analyzation and not memorization. Im a pagan not a christian. Ive used a copy of the bible that sits on my bookshelf as an interesting read for reference.

Lets analyze what Ezra said was the reason of this sin. Ezra quoting the prophets that spread the word of god:
"The land you are entering to possess is a land polluted by the corruption of its peoples. By their detestable practices they have filled it with their impurity from one end to the other."
Following this Ezra prayed to god and asked if they should again break his commannds, these are Ezra's words:
"Shall we again break your commands and intermarry with the peoples who commit such detestable practices?"
Read the writing. Neither god nor Ezra cared about the peoples race, they cared about what the people practiced as part of their religion and day to day life.

Do I actually have to continue on, further disproving your out-of-context statements, which are doing nothing but making christianity look bad, or are you finally satisfied?

As a random point, what do you think of the liger? Ligers are the uncommon, but sometimes natural spawn of the mating of a lion and a tiger. Many of these are results of human intervention, but they are found in the wild..

 

[Kasey]

Kasey, a quick point that comes from scripture; but a foreword as well:

Firstly, Ive gotten a smug, yet sad, laugh out of this thread. That someone would actually believe this stuff woleheartedly is a first for me; its not origional in the history of things, but Ive never met someone who honestly believed this BS. Im not going to even try to pretend to try and show respect. There are very few points of view on this planet that I cant admire or understand in some contorted form or another, yet alone tolerate. Using religion as an excuse for racism/social darwinism is one of those things that I cannot tolerate. Now lets get to my points before this becomes a rant-o-thon.

I dont care if you dont want or care to tolerate it, thats not the issue. The issue is whether or not the BIble is for or against interracial marriages. Its against it. If you dont like it, then that is your problem, but dont come here and say its BS because thats "your opinion", not a fact.

Now Ill admit that Ive gotten this info/scripture reference through analyzation and not memorization. Im a pagan not a christian. Ive used a copy of the bible that sits on my bookshelf as an interesting read for reference.

Uh-huh

Lets analyze what Ezra said was the reason of this sin. Ezra quoting the prophets that spread the word of god:
"The land you are entering to possess is a land polluted by the corruption of its peoples. By their detestable practices they have filled it with their impurity from one end to the other."
Following this Ezra prayed to god and asked if they should again break his commannds, these are Ezra's words:
"Shall we again break your commands and intermarry with the peoples who commit such detestable practices?"
Read the writing. Neither god nor Ezra cared about the peoples race, they cared about what the people practiced as part of their religion and day to day life.

You are going according to an English "translation" and not the Hebrew. The Hebrew is the original inspired text of the Law and the Prophets just as the Greek is the original inspired text of the New Testament.

Perhaps you should also get it through your thick head and read the scriptures more carefully if you care to use them as something to try to disprove what IM saying. The context is God's Law as explicetly stated by Ezra 10:3.

In addition, you do not acknowledge the statutes of God in Leviticus 19:19. Also, you do not acknowlege Nehemiah 13:3

Nehemiah 13:3: Now it came to pass, when they had heard the law, that they separated from Israel all the mixed multitude.

The context is God's Law as stated in verse 1 as those things are mentioned in Dueteronomy. The Hebrew word for "mixed", according to Strong's Concordance is the Hebrew word "ereb" and it means a mixture, mingled people, MONGREL race. The Strong's Expanded Dictionary of Bible words, which includes The Best of Vine's Complete Expository Dictionary verifies this.

The Israelite people were to seperate themselves from mongrel people, which was a result of marrying outside their race, therefore proving beyond a shadow of a conclusive doubt that its against God's Law to marry outside your race.

Also, dont ignore Nehemiah 13:27

Nehemaih 13:27: Shall we then hearken unto you to do all this great evil, to transgress against our God in marrying strange wives?

The Hebrew word for "strange" here, according to Strong's Concordance and Gesenius' Hebre CHaldee Lexicon, its the Hebrew word "nokriy" and it means a foriegn, alien, out-landish, NON-RELATIVE individual.

As stated, its against God the Father and Christ Jesus, a transgression to marry non-relative people, or, as in the context of Ezra and the previous passage of Nehemiah, outside one's race. To marry someone outside your race will always result in mongrel children and therefore, as stated in God's Law concerning even animals and plants as well as the context of the creation account in Genesis of the animals being after their own "kind", interracial marriage is completely against the Bible and no one can justifiably say differently.

You dont have a leg to stand on. You dont know the Bible and the only version of Christianity that you know of is "Judeo-Christianity" and "Roman Catholicism".

Do I actually have to continue on, further disproving your out-of-context statements, which are doing nothing but making christianity look bad, or are you finally satisfied?

I make Judeo-Christianity and Roman Catholicism look bad, not the Bible and not God the Father and CHrist Jesus.

As a random point, what do you think of the liger? Ligers are the uncommon, but sometimes natural spawn of the mating of a lion and a tiger. Many of these are results of human intervention, but they are found in the wild..

This is irrelevant. Stick to the subject matter of whether or not the BIble teaches that same-race marriage is wrong. However, I hardly expect you to do this anyways and I have shown you evidence that you cannot disprove whatsoever.

Therefore, I rest my case