Logic about same race marriage

[Ledifni]

And ending racial tension by destroying the races is one of those "cure worse than the disease" kind of things.

It's rather unavoidable, though, isn't it? Unless we end the process of globalization and make a serious effort to prevent racial mixing, the human race will mingle until the races we know today are nonexistent.

But that doesn't mean there won't be any variation among humans. If that were true, then how do you explain the great differences within races right now?

You should be less attached to the specific races you know. The world changes, and we can either move with it and guide it, or we can fight a losing battle against it. Anyone who hopes to keep the world exactly the same from their birth to their death is in for quite a lot of disappointment.

 

[Ledifni]

semi-true. yes, "some". I do not find black women attractive so I do find it odd when people find black men attractive.

But there is something to my oberservation. Most inter-racial couples I have seen are black men with white women. But I have only ever seen one black woman with a white man in real life.

Then I'm afraid your personal experience is limited. I've dated black girls and white girls (I'm white), and I know several white guys who dated and/or married black women. Are you aware that many/most? African-Americans have male white ancestors who slept with their female slaves?

I was curious as to why this is. Is it just personal preference? Is there some objective standard of beuaty black men and/or white women fulfill?

"Beauty" is in itself a word that cannot ever be objective. Its very definition is subjectivity. Some people find beaty in a mountain, others in a forest, others in a putrid swamp. Likewise, some men find black women more attractive, while others prefer white women. Some women find black men more attractive, while others prefer white men.

If it was just peronal preference why are there many, many, more black-man/white-woman couples than the opposite? Shouldn't they be roughly the same if it's personal preference?

How do you know there are many more black man/white woman couples than the opposite? Clearly, among your acquaintances this is true. Does that mean it's true everywhere else in the world? My experience doesn't bear it out.

Yes, beauty is argualbly largely relative. I was curious as to why such and such people are found attractive by some.

Why does there need to be a reason you would understand? Do you think there is some fundamental unattractiveness in certain races/genders that must be overcome by compelling evidence?

 

[Scally Cap]

*taking a deep breath instead; carry on*

 

[gaijin178]

Kasey,

I got this from a Christian Website as I don't have a bible with me at work. Here is some scripture that you wanted as well as commentary. You are wrong.

Does the Bible Forbid Interracial Marriages?


The Bible does not forbid interracial marriages. It does, however, forbid a Christian from marrying an unbeliever: "Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?" (2 Cor. 6:14).
In Numbers 12:1-8 is an account of Moses marrying an Ethiopian woman. "And Miriam and Aaron spake against Moses because of the Ethiopian woman whom he had married: for he had married an Ethiopian woman" (Num. 12:1).
Other Bible verses translate this as "Cush." Cush is the ancient location of Ethiopia. Miriam and Aaron were upset with Moses because he married a Cushite woman. Cush has also been considered to be the northern part of Egypt. Either way, it is very possible that Cushite woman was of a different race. God defended Moses for marrying this woman. If race were an issue, this would have been a great place to set the matter straight.
Also, people of different races were not mentioned as being among those forbidden by God for Jews to marry, see Exodus 34:11.

www.cam.org

 

[U R my Sonshine]

Then I'm afraid your personal experience is limited. I've dated black girls and white girls (I'm white), and I know several white guys who dated and/or married black women. Are you aware that many/most? African-Americans have male white ancestors who slept with their female slaves?



"Beauty" is in itself a word that cannot ever be objective. Its very definition is subjectivity. Some people find beaty in a mountain, others in a forest, others in a putrid swamp. Likewise, some men find black women more attractive, while others prefer white women. Some women find black men more attractive, while others prefer white men.



How do you know there are many more black man/white woman couples than the opposite? Clearly, among your acquaintances this is true. Does that mean it's true everywhere else in the world? My experience doesn't bear it out.



Why does there need to be a reason you would understand? Do you think there is some fundamental unattractiveness in certain races/genders that must be overcome by compelling evidence?

I know for a fact my husband thinks black women are attractive.

 

[gaijin178]

Here's another one for you at clarifyingchristianity:

http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com/interracial.shtml

 

[gaijin178]

Here you go Kasey, one more for you. Should I continue to present scripture that says you are wrong? Should I now tell you to go away and put up or shut up?

http://en.bibleinfo.com/questions/question.html?id=750

 

[U R my Sonshine]

Here you go Kasey, one more for you. Should I continue to present scripture that says you are wrong? Should I now tell you to go away and put up or shut up?

http://en.bibleinfo.com/questions/question.html?id=750

Maybe Kasey actually listened this time and did shut up!!

 

[gaijin178]

Maybe Kasey actually listened this time and did shut up!!

We shall see. If he does show up again, I am sure that his response will be that all of those folks are interpreting the bible incorrectly and he has the true interpretation. But alas, all we can do is hope that this kind of thought process doesn't continue.

 

[jesusfreak3786]

Can't we all just get along.....either way? *shrug*

 

[gaijin178]

Can't we all just get along.....either way? *shrug*

That would be ideal. I just couldn't keep my mouth shut on this one though. I actually took this one quite personally because my partner is Filipina. She would be heartbroken to know that there are still people out there that think like this. On top of that, distort the bible to make those twisted views apply to their own racial bigotry.

 

[lunalinda]

That would be ideal. I just couldn't keep my mouth shut on this one though. I actually took this one quite personally because my partner is Filipina. She would be heartbroken to know that there are still people out there that think like this. On top of that, distort the bible to make those twisted views apply to their own racial bigotry.

I agree. When I see that taking place I don't know what to say. Taken off-guard? No way. I'm more just shaking my head in disbelief. I don't even want to go and hunt down verses from the Bible simply because of the attitude being presented. Sometimes there's just no point when it's already clear how a person feels, and how unwelcoming that person is of opposing views. It's just ARGH.

 

[gaijin178]

I agree. When I see that taking place I don't know what to say. Taken off-guard? No way. I'm more just shaking my head in disbelief. I don't even want to go and hunt down verses from the Bible simply because of the attitude being presented. Sometimes there's just no point when it's already clear how a person feels, and how unwelcoming that person is of opposing views. It's just ARGH.

I feel ya, but for some reason, I don't think that Kasey is going to be back. Or if he is, I don't know if he will continue to spew such hate and disrespect. It's ok Lunalinda, fortunately, a majority of people don't share his views.

 

[jesusfreak3786]

That would be ideal. I just couldn't keep my mouth shut on this one though. I actually took this one quite personally because my partner is Filipina. She would be heartbroken to know that there are still people out there that think like this. On top of that, distort the bible to make those twisted views apply to their own racial bigotry.

Yes it is quite stupid, my mom is a hienz 57 caucasion, and my dad is puerto rican, for the poeple that think it should all be same race marrage, I would ask you to find me someone of my same race, in the same preportions, I would have to be sterilized in such a world....lol. If someone loves another, and you both commit your hearts to eacother for life, it realy doesn't matter what manner the flesh is, marrage is of the soul, not the body.

Peace, and love to all mankind, no matter the color.(or colors)

 

[beechy]

I consider white people to be white and Black people to be black just as I consider a lion to be a lion and a tiger to be a tiger.

As with the other questions, just use your head

White how? Because their skin is "white"? No one's skin is actually white. Is any person with light colored skin a "white" person for your purposes? Is an Englishman white? Is a Spaniard? How about a Nigerian albino? I know you want me to "use my head", but if you're implying that it's obvious, I'm suggesting that it's not. I'm interested in your definition.

Right now, all you've done is define the concept with reference to itself (e.g., Q: What is wood? A: Wood is wood . . . rather than A: wood is the secondary xylem of trees and shrubs, lying beneath the bark and consisting largely of cellulose and lignin). So what is a "white" person? If the answer is easy and obvious, just give it to me. Is the most precise answer you can come up with that "white is white"?

It might seem like I'm trying to be difficult, but these questions are really essential when you're proposing social regulation based on classifications you're unwilling (unable?) to define ...

 

[Blackguard_]

But that doesn't mean there won't be any variation among humans. If that were true, then how do you explain the great differences within races right now?

there will be much less variation. And the traits associated with the white race will not be part of this, except maybe some monsterous looking people, like if Tiger woods had blue eyes or brown hair.

You should be less attached to the specific races you know. The world changes, and we can either move with it and guide it, or we can fight a losing battle against it. Anyone who hopes to keep the world exactly the same from their birth to their death is in for quite a lot of disappointment.

Then I will continue to march against the sea.

And since when does might make right?

Then I'm afraid your personal experience is limited. I've dated black girls and white girls (I'm white), and I know several white guys who dated and/or married black women.

Ok, I have never seen that though. might just be I've never lived in an area with a very large black population.

Are you aware that many/most? African-Americans have male white ancestors who slept with their female slaves?

yes

How do you know there are many more black man/white woman couples than the opposite? Clearly, among your acquaintances this is true. Does that mean it's true everywhere else in the world? My experience doesn't bear it out.

mine does, everywhere I've ever been I've seen this to be the case. And I think they have statistics on this somewhere.

"Beauty" is in itself a word that cannot ever be objective. Its very definition is subjectivity. Some people find beaty in a mountain, others in a forest, others in a putrid swamp. Likewise, some men find black women more attractive, while others prefer white women. Some women find black men more attractive, while others prefer white men.

point taken

 

[southernmissfan]

Blackguard, I think the point is that "race mixing" (as racists so often call it) is inevitable, unless specific measures are taken to prevent it.

I don't see why it matters anyway. Sure, I like blonde haired, blue eyed, white girls as much as the next guy, but I'm not particularly upset that they might not exist generations from now...

 

[gaijin178]

Yeah, I guess that I am not sure why Blackguard is so concerned. If he is living in an area with not many African-Americans then why is he seeing his race go away? I know that the city he lives in has many Hispanic/Latino/Chicano folks because of where it is located. Maybe that's why. And why keep bringing up Tiger Woods?

I think that there will still be groups always, that look like he is talking about. I think that there are plenty of folks who are happy being with someone of their own race. And I think that there are plenty of folks who are more interested in being with someone who looks different than them. And then there are plenty of folks who just happen to be with someone that's the same or different and don't really care because what it comes down to is love and compatability, not saving a pure race.

 

[christalee4]

Kasey - as you can see, it is all based on interpretation. The Bible does not specifically say that humans must not marry outside their race. You have brought up Biblical verses that discuss farming and animal husbandry, and you have applied that logic to humans mating.

However, what you have NOT addressed was the issue of:

How do you determine who is racially pure as a white person, to be worthy enough to marry your children. You said that "anyone" should know who a black, white or "oriental" person would look like. However, IN REALITY, that due to intermarriage over the years in this country, it's pretty hard to tell, unless you live in a closed community, such as the Amish people. Many people have intermarried with Native Americans and Latin Americans for example.

And they look white.

My question to you is - and please be the man to answer it honestly without reverting to insults - would you feel the need to test any of your potential sons or daughters in laws bloodlines, if you didn't know them that well? There are millions of people who have Native American blood and Latin American blood coursing through their veins and they look whiter than snow, my friend. Are dark, hairy and swarthy people allowed to court your children, or do you prefer smooth-skinned, fair and blue-eyed potential matees to inseminate your progeny with pure Christian genes?

Do you have a requirement that your potential sons or daughters in law have racial purity proof, or will you be winging it?

Food for thought.