Logic about same race marriage

[Kasey]

I think we are dealing with a ill-educated person in the post you are referencing. There are obviously NO bible verses that would discourage inter-racial marriages. Some that would discourage INTER FAITH marriages...but not interracial. He cannot produce any...and won't be able to. Unfortunately he was taught this twisted version of christianity by someone even more hateful....and this is the end result.

I think I hear "Dualing Banjoes" playing in the background.....??

This is here-say and says or proves nothing about what I have shown from the Bible. You ignore the context of The Book of Ezra, the Creation Account in Genesis, GOd's Law of not adulterating animals and hybridating seed and the context on how the book speakly only of the Israelite people.

You say I am ill-educated, but you yourself have shown nothing to disprove what I am saying. Step up and show me how I am wrong. Debate me and lets see what the Bible teaches according to the matter.

 

[Kasey]

Yep, I don't think I have anything more to say to yah, Kasey, cuz it's already concluded that I'm perverted and disgusting and whatever else he/she said. I'm part Mexican, Puerto-Rican (which have black in them if you trace waaay back), Spanish, and Native American (which were considered what...savages way back in the day?), and am therefore inferior to you, my place being somewhere in between pond scum and feces. And when my interest in a human being of another color puts me lower in your eyes, Kasey, then that's your own problem. You go ahead and call it what you must, and continue to demonstrate hatefulness of your fellow man, but I choose to demonstrate the love of Christ for ALL of God's people, and even YOU'RE going to be the recipient of that. I'm sorry that you speak the way you speak because of how you learned it, but I do hope you'll change your ways one day, because in my opinion, being so hateful and then trying to justify it by the taking verses out of context from the Bible (which is DANGEROUS, so do be careful) won't get you too far in this world. Peace and God be with you.

I never said you were inferior to me, thats what you think I said. I merely demonstrated on how its a perversion for people to mix their race and how its completely un-biblical. People who are mixed cannot help what they are - the fault lies with the parents, not the child

Its not hateful to tell the truth. Aside from this, if you believe IM taking Bible verses out of context, then how about you showing me where Im wrong from the Bible? Can you do that? Or is the only thing you are capable of doing is running off at the mouth spouting all kinds of rediculous absurdities without any evidence from the the Bible to support your claims?

IN addition, would you call Christ hateful for "whipping" the money-changers out fo the temple? Or what about what CHrist said in killing all those who would not have Him to rule over them in Luke 19:27?

Oh, and by the way, on a side note...The stubborn human in me would love to see you sneer at me as I hold the hand of a Black boyfriend. But as tempting as it would be to snicker and then decide to French-kiss him (lots of TONGUE) in response to the sneer just to bug you more, it wouldn't be proper of me and would be quite immature. But knowing me, I'd probably still do it. I can't say for sure, but hey...who knows? But no matter how I might feel, it's not going to change you, not that I'd expect it to. It's still God's job to deal with your heart, not mine. But I won't stop being affectionate to ANY human being I'm attracted to, and I won't feed the hatred by stopping what I do, no matter how disgusting or perverted or whatever else you labeled it. I refuse to let hatred consume me...refuse to let it turn me into its puppet. But that's just me.

Its your choice and your free to do what you want to do, but until you can show me from the BIble where I am wrong concerning this matter, there is nothing from your statements that would make me bat an eye.

 

[Blackguard_]

White Christians need to get over the fact that the US is changing - your sons and daughters will indeed be brown, variations of the color and may be speaking Spanish in 50 years from now.

You think this a good thing?

 

[gaijin178]

Do you really want everyone to look like Tiger Woods?

What the hell kind of statement is this? Most of the people that live around me, in Los Angeles, look different. What's wrong with that? These comments make me sick.

 

[Jetgirl]

What the hell kind of statement is this? Most of the people that live around me, in Los Angeles, look different. What's wrong with that? These comments make me sick.

Tiger Woods looks pretty damn good, IMHO.

 

[gaijin178]

This is here-say and says or proves nothing about what I have shown from the Bible. You ignore the context of The Book of Ezra, the Creation Account in Genesis, GOd's Law of not adulterating animals and hybridating seed and the context on how the book speakly only of the Israelite people.

You say I am ill-educated, but you yourself have shown nothing to disprove what I am saying. Step up and show me how I am wrong. Debate me and lets see what the Bible teaches according to the matter.

It's really funny to me when Christians pick certain parts of the bible to be the most important to them. When there are silly sounding laws in the OT, Christians say, no, it's not the law anymore because of the new covenant. When they try to interpret something to mean something that they want it to mean from the OT then they focus on the Old Law. To focus on something like this and saying that this is what Christ wants seems to take away from the True teachings of Christ that spoke about love. Wouldn't Christ be happy that two beings of his creation found love and happiness no matter what their race? If not, that's some messed up stuff. I guess that it doesn't matter much to me what you think since my "interracial" relationship is such a huge topic for you. Let me go tell my partner that we can't love each other anymore because she is not of my race. Whatever.

 

[gaijin178]

You think this a good thing?

I think that it's a great thing. I love that I can just look outside my window and hear 20 different languages and see so many different types of people.

 

[christalee4]

This is an Evolutionistic philosophy and is un-Biblical. You have mankind as a general species, yes, however, you just like animals, they can be broken down to different races within that speices and then to different kinds within that race.


If you believe that Im showing something contrary to the Bible, then you step up here and show me how Im am wrong from that same Bible.


The BIble can be used to justify anything, yes, but its up tot he person to find out if the Bible actually teaches what someone says it does. Therefore, how about you showing me on how Im wrnong concerning the fact that same-race marriage is against the scriptures?

The Book of Ezra is used by groups like Christian Identity and racist churches to justify promotion of racial hatred, the idea of racial purity and fulminating a war against perceived enemies of racial purity, such as blacks and Jews.

Here, these guys are right up your alley: http://www.stormfront.org/archive/t-155190Race_Mixing_Is_Not_Christian.html

And then on your somewhat amazing statement that defining the human race as single species is "un-Biblical" - the name of our species is Homo Sapiens (oops, now there's an un-Biblical word):

http://www.answers.com/topic/human

Which is Latin for the clever human, or wise human.

We are all of one species, and if I believe literally in what my Bible says, AND what those evil scientists say, we are all descended from Adam and Eve, or from a common ancestor. We then evolved through kinship, bloodlline, tribes, shaped by the environment and culture.

Now being the wise humans we are, and hopefully moving forward in fulfilling God's exhortation to grow, improve ourselves and evolve into a near-perfect vision of God's love, wouldn't the logical path be to grow beyond the boundaries of separation and distinction, and fully realize that we are all one in God's love?

A quick aside in the common sense department of biology and reproduction - God did not want us to continuously breed within our own tribes and race. In fact he made an amazing fool-proof mechanism in our machine, that creates degeneration with inter-breeding. Read about the problems of the Amish and other Mennonite "tribes" who have isolated their societies, and who are now paying the price - their children are suffering skyrocketing rates of retardation and neurological diseases.

 

[christalee4]

You think this a good thing?

It's happening, whether you like it or not. Eventually, as the melting pot grows, there will be less turmoil, hatred, suspicion, and FEAR amongst neighbors.

 

[Blackguard_]

What the hell kind of statement is this? Most of the people that live around me, in Los Angeles, look different. What's wrong with that? These comments make me sick.

I know they look different, but I get sick of endless parades of people with black hair and brownskin/eyes. Race mixing wouldn't bother me as much if the mix would keep some color. I mean, if everone mixed, major diferences like hair and eye color would diasppear, and this is in the promotion of diversity?

I think that it's a great thing. I love that I can just look outside my window and hear 20 different languages and see so many different types of people

You're confusing race-mixing with diversity. So, you 'd like us all to mix into brown but have different cultures somehow? race-mixing seems anti-diversity to me. How can you have many types of people if you mix up the races? And the different people argument is rather odd as instead of having widely differnt recial features, everyone would just be one brown and black race.

And you can have 20 different lanquages in almost any one race.

It's happening, whether you like it or not. Eventually, as the melting pot grows, there will be less turmoil, hatred, suspicion, and FEAR amongst neighbors.

Translation: Surrender now! the Nothing will destroy your people/culture/race regardless. If you can't beat em, join em! You will be assimilated, resistance is futile.

And ending racial tension by destroying the races is one of those "cure worse than the disease" kind of things.

 

[Scally Cap]

This is something that's always baffled me, white girls find black men attractive while white men do not find black women attractive as far as I can tell.

I'm sure you could find a broader brush to paint with if you looked hard enough. Perhaps you mean you're baffled that some white girls find some black men attractive because you personally don't find black women attractive? Can you understand that some people are attracted to another person independent of their respective skin colors?

 

[Blackguard_]

Perhaps you mean you're baffled that some white girls find some black men attractive because you personally don't find black women attractive?

semi-true. yes, "some". I do not find black women attractive so I do find it odd when people find black men attractive.

But there is something to my oberservation. Most inter-racial couples I have seen are black men with white women. But I have only ever seen one black woman with a white man in real life.

I was curious as to why this is. Is it just personal preference? Is there some objective standard of beuaty black men and/or white women fulfill?

If it was just peronal preference why are there many, many, more black-man/white-woman couples than the opposite? Shouldn't they be roughly the same if it's personal preference?

Can you understand that some people are attracted to another person independent of their respective skin colors?

Yes, beauty is argualbly largely relative. I was curious as to why such and such people are found attractive by some.

 

[Kasey]

The Book of Ezra is used by groups like Christian Identity and racist churches to justify promotion of racial hatred, the idea of racial purity and fulminating a war against perceived enemies of racial purity, such as blacks and Jews.

I dont see you showing anything from the Bible to prove what I have said to be wrong, Christalee4. Perhaps you should put some evidence where your mouth is or shut up. I will discuss and debate with you concerning what I have said and a whole lot more. So stop calling it names until you can show me how I am wrong from the Bible

Put up or shut up.

And then on your somewhat amazing statement that defining the human race as single species is "un-Biblical" - the name of our species is Homo Sapiens (oops, now there's an un-Biblical word):

Show me from the Bible where I am wrong, not human philosophy and what humans think things should be classified as. Can you do that? Can you show me from the Bible on how I am wrong, or beat around the bush and do everything BUT that?

We are all of one species, and if I believe literally in what my Bible says, AND what those evil scientists say, we are all descended from Adam and Eve, or from a common ancestor. We then evolved through kinship, bloodlline, tribes, shaped by the environment and culture.

The BIble doesnt teach that Adam and Eve were the progenitors of mankind. I will debate with you on the subject as well. Care too?

Now being the wise humans we are, and hopefully moving forward in fulfilling God's exhortation to grow, improve ourselves and evolve into a near-perfect vision of God's love, wouldn't the logical path be to grow beyond the boundaries of separation and distinction, and fully realize that we are all one in God's love?

No, it wouldnt. Inter-mixing the races, in whatever regard, whether concerning animals or humans is un-scriptural and should not be done.

A quick aside in the common sense department of biology and reproduction - God did not want us to continuously breed within our own tribes and race. In fact he made an amazing fool-proof mechanism in our machine, that creates degeneration with inter-breeding. Read about the problems of the Amish and other Mennonite "tribes" who have isolated their societies, and who are now paying the price - their children are suffering skyrocketing rates of retardation and neurological diseases.

Breeding within your immediate family is a lot different than just breeding within your own race. If you would study God's Laws, you would understand that.

However, be that as it may, I have still have not seen one iota of evidence from you to show that I am wrong. Im still waiting.....

 

[gaijin178]

I know they look different, but I get sick of endless parades of people with black hair and brownskin/eyes. Race mixing wouldn't bother me as much if the mix would keep some color. I mean, if everone mixed, major diferences like hair and eye color would diasppear, and this is in the promotion of diversity?



You're confusing race-mixing with diversity. So, you 'd like us all to mix into brown but have different cultures somehow? race-mixing seems anti-diversity to me. How can you have many types of people if you mix up the races? And the different people argument is rather odd as instead of having widely differnt recial features, everyone would just be one brown and black race.

And you can have 20 different lanquages in almost any one race.



Translation: Surrender now! the Nothing will destroy your people/culture/race regardless. If you can't beat em, join em! You will be assimilated, resistance is futile.

And ending racial tension by destroying the races is one of those "cure worse than the disease" kind of things.

Hahaha, this is the first time I have ever heard someone refer to white folks as being of color. I am not being confused with diversity and race mixing. YOu are talking about something that isn't reality. You are afraid that with race mixing, everyone would be brown. Well, let me tell you something, I am down with the brown....and that wouldn't change anything. What you are talking about is genetics.

 

[gaijin178]

How many folks on this thread are European-American? See, everyone gets a hyphon....happy? How many folks on this thread have never had a relationship or friendship with someone other than their race? Why are people so afraid of ethnicity and race? I don't get it...I never will...I am so sick to my stomach right now from reading this $%#@ that I want to puke.

 

[Blackguard_]

Hahaha, this is the first time I have ever heard someone refer to white folks as being of color.

Well we ARE much more colorful than the other races. When can have black, brown, blue, green, red, blonde, white and gray while the other races can only have brown,black and gray.

YOu are talking about something that isn't reality.

Which is?

You are afraid that with race mixing, everyone would be brown.

yes. Am I right about this or not?

Well, let me tell you something, I am down with the brown....and that wouldn't change anything.

What would it not change? And how does this make me wrong?

What you are talking about is genetics.

yes, exaplain further.

 

[gaijin178]

I don't understand what you are having problems with. Are you afraid that your pure white race, yes you, is going to be tainted with folks having mixed relationships? ARe you that paranoid? Genetics determines who is going to have what characteristics. ARe you saying that the world would be a better place without all the brown folks so that you can have your red hair and blue eyes? Seriously, what part of the world are you living in?

 

[Kasey]

It's really funny to me when Christians pick certain parts of the bible to be the most important to them. When there are silly sounding laws in the OT, Christians say, no, it's not the law anymore because of the new covenant. When they try to interpret something to mean something that they want it to mean from the OT then they focus on the Old Law. To focus on something like this and saying that this is what Christ wants seems to take away from the True teachings of Christ that spoke about love. Wouldn't Christ be happy that two beings of his creation found love and happiness no matter what their race? If not, that's some messed up stuff. I guess that it doesn't matter much to me what you think since my "interracial" relationship is such a huge topic for you. Let me go tell my partner that we can't love each other anymore because she is not of my race. Whatever.

Your are not defining "love". The Bible defines it for you.

Romans 13:10: Love worketh no ill towards its neighbore; therefore love is the fulfilling of the Law.

1 John 5:3: For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

In addition, I would point out that CHrist's commandments of Love thy Neighbor as Thyself and Love God with all your Strength, Mind and Body are direct quotations from the Law and the Prophets, of God's Commandments, Statutes and Judgements.

1. Leviticus 19:18 - Love Thy Neighbor
2. Deuteronomy 6:5 and Dueteronomy 10:12 - Love God with all your Strength Mind and Body.

God the Father and Christ Jesus would not be happy about a Black marrying a white and having children, nor for any other combination of racial people mixing their race.

God's Law is not silly, not is it abolished or done away with - only the Levitical Priesthood System was abolished, but that was completely seperate and never part of God's commandments, statutes and judgments as specifically stated by the context of Exodus 24:3 and Hebrews 9-10.

Only Judeo-Christians or Roman Catholics would want nothing to do with God's Law - They are not following the Bible and I would challenge anyone to a debate to show me where Im wrong. I am confident that I have the evidence to show them to be speaking according to their own imagination and not the scriptures.

 

[Blackguard_]

I don't understand what you are having problems with. Are you afraid that your pure white race, yes you, is going to be tainted with folks having mixed relationships?

more or less.

ARe you that paranoid? Genetics determines who is going to have what characteristics.

again, what's your point? Am I right that mixing uo the races would make blue eyes and red hair disappeaar? If not, how am I paranoid?

ARe you saying that the world would be a better place without all the brown folks so that you can have your red hair and blue eyes?[

You're the one advocating destroying the races and making everyone brown, so you attack me by accusing me of wanting everyone to be white?

Anyways, I never said anything about getting rid of brown people, the brown races have just as much right to exist as the white race.

Seriously, what part of the world are you living in?

Tucson

 

[Lifesaver]

Only Judeo-Christians or Roman Catholics would want nothing to do with God's Law - They are not following the Bible and I would challenge anyone to a debate to show me where Im wrong. I am confident that I have the evidence to show them to be speaking according to their own imagination and not the scriptures.

Kasey, you are just a misguided member of some bizarre sect. God estabilished the Catholic Church, and without her you wouldn't even know which books belong and which don't belong to the Bible.

Of course, since you have contempt for reason and logic (or at least this is what you have shown so far), as if they could contradict God's revelation in any way, you will never accept anything anyone proves to you, and will persevere in your errors until you decide to use your God-given rationality.