Local Flood

[Dominus Fidelis]

Do you believe there is evidence for a local, yet massive, flood in the Black Sea region?

Is it possible that the only people in the world at the time were in that region?

 

[Dark_Lite]

1: Yes.

2: Of course it's POSSIBLE but the evidence doesn't point to that.

 

[Dominus Fidelis]

1: Yes.

2: Of course it's POSSIBLE but the evidence doesn't point to that.

So basically you believe a local flood gave rise to the Noah flood story and that there were other people living that were uneffected by it?

 

[GoSeminoles!]

Do you believe there is evidence for a local, yet massive, flood in the Black Sea region?

There is some evidence that the Epic of Gilgamesh, upon which the Noah story is based, is in turn derived from a legend about a tribal leader who saved some of his livestock and family from a Euphrates flood by commandeering a barge and riding out the storm.

Is it possible that the only people in the world at the time were in that region?

No.

 

[Dominus Fidelis]

There is some evidence that the Epic of Gilgamesh, upon which the Noah story is based, is in turn derived from a legend about a tribal leader who saved some of his livestock and family from a Euphrates flood by commandeering a barge and riding out the storm.

I'm refering to the theory (that many seem to think has a lot of physical evidence) that the Black Sea was formed via a flood that came from the Med. Sea.

 

[Tomk80]

So basically you believe a local flood gave rise to the Noah flood story and that there were other people living that were uneffected by it?

That's pretty much what I think.

 

[Dominus Fidelis]

2: Of course it's POSSIBLE but the evidence doesn't point to that.

I thought Mesopotamia was the first civilization?

 

[Dark_Lite]

I thought Mesopotamia was the first civilization?

What does that have to do with people being located somewhere on the planet? There were people in Europe, the Indus River Valley, and North America too.

 

[Dominus Fidelis]

This book looks interesting: Noah's Flood : The New Scientific Discoveries About The Event That Changed History

Archeologists have long sought to prove that the great flood described in Genesis and in the Babylonian epic of Gilgamesh was a historic event. Columbia University geologists Ryan and Pitman weigh in with a highly conjectural theory that seems as good as any other, if no better. Around 5600 B.C., they maintain, Noah's flood occurred when rising Mediterranean waters roared through the narrow Bosporus Strait, transforming the Black Sea, then a freshwater lake, into a bloated saltwater body. Taking a cue from Australian prehistorian Gordon Childe, who posited that Europe's first farmers came from Asia, the authors contend that the Black Sea at the time of the alleged flood was a fertile oasis, a cultural magnet where diverse peoples?farmers, animal breeders, artisans?exchanged techniques and possibly genes. They point to the sudden appearance in Europe, shortly after 5600 B.C., of "outsider" tribes, advanced farmers who, the theory goes, were fleeing the flooded Black Sea region. Other flood refugees, in this scenario, migrated to Russia's steppes, Anatolia, Mesopotamia and the Middle East, preserving memory of the catastrophe in mythic and oral traditions later enshrined on clay tablets and ultimately in the Bible. Ryan and Pitman base their theory partly on radiocarbon dating of marine sediments that they collected in 1993 during a Black Sea expedition and partly on Ice Age climatic patterns, modern linguists' quest for a proto-Indo-European mother tongue and genetic studies of population migrations over the millennia. Their complicated detective tale is intriguing, but much more solid evidence would be required to convince skeptics. Illustrated with drawings by Anastasia Sotiropoulos and maps by William Haxby. Agent, Roger Jellinek.

 

[Dominus Fidelis]

What does that have to do with people being located somewhere on the planet? There were people in Europe, the Indus River Valley, and North America too.

I believe the idea is that those are people that migrated from Mesopotamia.

 

[GoSeminoles!]

I believe the idea is that those are people that migrated from Mesopotamia.

That's wrong. The first people to enter North America migrated from Asia at least 12,000 years ago (almost certainly much sooner than that). This is well before the first civilizations arose in Mesopotamia.

 

[comana]

Do you believe there is evidence for a local, yet massive, flood in the Black Sea region?

Is it possible that the only people in the world at the time were in that region?

From what I have read, the evidence for a Black sea flood looks pretty good. There were certainly populations of people the world over by the suggested date of this flood.

 

[comana]

This book looks interesting: Noah's Flood : The New Scientific Discoveries About The Event That Changed History

Archeologists have long sought to prove that the great flood described in Genesis and in the Babylonian epic of Gilgamesh was a historic event. Columbia University geologists Ryan and Pitman weigh in with a highly conjectural theory that seems as good as any other, if no better. Around 5600 B.C., they maintain, Noah's flood occurred when rising Mediterranean waters roared through the narrow Bosporus Strait, transforming the Black Sea, then a freshwater lake, into a bloated saltwater body. Taking a cue from Australian prehistorian Gordon Childe, who posited that Europe's first farmers came from Asia, the authors contend that the Black Sea at the time of the alleged flood was a fertile oasis, a cultural magnet where diverse peoples?farmers, animal breeders, artisans?exchanged techniques and possibly genes. They point to the sudden appearance in Europe, shortly after 5600 B.C., of "outsider" tribes, advanced farmers who, the theory goes, were fleeing the flooded Black Sea region. Other flood refugees, in this scenario, migrated to Russia's steppes, Anatolia, Mesopotamia and the Middle East, preserving memory of the catastrophe in mythic and oral traditions later enshrined on clay tablets and ultimately in the Bible. Ryan and Pitman base their theory partly on radiocarbon dating of marine sediments that they collected in 1993 during a Black Sea expedition and partly on Ice Age climatic patterns, modern linguists' quest for a proto-Indo-European mother tongue and genetic studies of population migrations over the millennia. Their complicated detective tale is intriguing, but much more solid evidence would be required to convince skeptics. Illustrated with drawings by Anastasia Sotiropoulos and maps by William Haxby. Agent, Roger Jellinek.

Read it. Good read. I found the physical evidence to be pretty convincing.

 

[Kevin Ray]

There is some evidence that the Epic of Gilgamesh, upon which the Noah story is based, is in turn derived from a legend about a tribal leader who saved some of his livestock and family from a Euphrates flood by commandeering a barge and riding out the storm.



No.

actually there is far more logical thinking behing Noah being what the epic of Gilgamesh is based off of. Basically because Noah is more accurate about how the ark was built in that the one in gilgamesh would not have been sea worthy while the one in Noah would have, now why would the Hebrews who werent exactly the greatest seafarers have known how to build a usable sea vessel based on a unusable one. Just a thought.

 

[random_guy]

actually there is far more logical thinking behing Noah being what the epic of Gilgamesh is based off of. Basically because Noah is more accurate about how the ark was built in that the one in gilgamesh would not have been sea worthy while the one in Noah would have, now why would the Hebrews who werent exactly the greatest seafarers have known how to build a usable sea vessel based on a unusable one. Just a thought.

Are you sure that you're right about this? Your logic seems extremely horrible. Ignoring whether it would be possible to build a boat to hold 2 of every animal, if the EoG came first, the ship building tech described in it would be worst then the ship building tech described in the Flood Myth. Anyway, that's my 2 cents.

 

[GodsSamus]

Do you believe there is evidence for a local, yet massive, flood in the Black Sea region?

Is it possible that the only people in the world at the time were in that region?

How did it rain 40 days in Mesopotamia and not one drop landed in Egypt?

 

[FunkyBrother]

It was a global flood. There was NO POINT in building an ark for a local flood. Noah and family could have just walked 20km or so to safety.

Noah's Flood questions and answers:
http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/faq/flood.asp

 

[nvxplorer]

How did it rain 40 days in Mesopotamia and not one drop landed in Egypt?

How come the mountains on the western shore of Lake Tahoe receive more precipitation than those on the eastern shore?

 

[nvxplorer]

It was a global flood. There was NO POINT in building an ark for a local flood. Noah and family could have just walked 20km or so to safety.

I dunno. The recent tsunami was not a global event, yet many people would have survived if they had an ark.

 

[GoSeminoles!]

It was a global flood. There was NO POINT in building an ark for a local flood. Noah and family could have just walked 20km or so to safety.

Noah's Flood questions and answers:
http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/faq/flood.asp

Please cite articles published in peer-reviewed geology science journals that present evidence for a global flood.