Living Without Recognition

[geekgirlkelli]

Doing that in schools is fine. Children aren't old enough to make the right decisions, and we should point them in the right direction.

Oh, I agree, which is also why children should be taught in school that anti-gay bigotry is not acceptable. We should definitely point them in the right direction.

 

[geekgirlkelli]

I am being sarcastic to show how ridiculous her arguments against homosexual marriage are.

I know, as am I. WORK with me here, betch!

 

[Pliny the Elder]

Nothing, really.

How sad since Democrats fight the rights of all more than the Republicans ever have or will.

 

[Pliny the Elder]

I know, as am I. WORK with me here, betch!

My bad, you are now welcome to flog me within an inch of my life.

 

[geekgirlkelli]

How sad since Democrats fight the rights of all more than the Republicans ever have or will.

Well we already know she doesn't give a flip about anyone's rights but her own, so go figure.

 

[geekgirlkelli]

My bad, you are now welcome to flog me within an inch of my life.

I have the feeling you'd enjoy that just a little too much.

 

[Garyzenuf]

You mean HolyRoller/The Bible Thumper/Funny Fundie?

It's possible, I suppose.

Yeah, I just read about that, I feel so violated. Sane?

A person for whom the term "Get a life", was coined.

 

[Andreusz]

No, I would not vote for that bill. Common sense tells me that it would be too difficult and too many loopholes to define "Christian" and get anyone to agree on it. But as long as it is a man and a woman, they can get married.

But the gospels explicitly state that it is sinful for people, even if they are of opposite sexes, to marry after a no-fault divorce. Why aren't you campaigning against the laws that facilitate this sin? I call hypocrite.

 

[Veyrlian]

I would move to a civilized society where my morals and beliefs were respected and understood by others. I would not want to live in a place primarily filled with homosexuals and transgenders, to be perfectly honest.

I'm a bit at loss as to why your morals and beliefs should be respected, when you don't even respect equal rights for other people.
I am also interested to hear where do you think such a place would be? As I understand it, you would prefer a place where most people think like you do and where there are no homosexual people (or at least they stay decently hidden).
I can't think of any place like that I would call civilized, but there are countries where homosexuality is punishable by death for instance. I'm pretty sure there the gays will stay quiet and out of your sight. Hopefully, when the time comes that gay people can live normal lives with the same rights as everyone else, we all can put our heads together and find a suitable place for you too. :*

 

[Morcova]

Yeah, I just read about that, I feel so violated. Sane?

A person for whom the term "Get a life", was coined.

What? Got a link?

 

[geekgirlkelli]

But the gospels explicitly state that it is sinful for people, even if they are of opposite sexes, to marry after a no-fault divorce. Why aren't you campaigning against the laws that facilitate this sin? I call hypocrite.

Exactly. Funny how that works, huh?

 

[Freodin]

Exactly. Funny how that works, huh?

Not at all, just a simply variation of a known psychological concept.

In the first case, it is venturing to see that something considered wrong does not get allowed.

In the second case, it would be to get something already allowed to be forbidden.

 

[wanderingone]

Any gay man in America who is a citizen can marry a woman. Same goes for any lesbian woman who is a citizen - she can marry any man she wants. We are not denying them anything that we ourselves don't have.

That is the same argument that was used regarding "interracial" marriages. Everyone was free to marry "somebody" as long as they married within the confines of laws regarding skin complexion. Richard and Mildred Loving were allowed to get married in their home state, as long as they didn't marry each other....

I take it you believe the courts incorrectly invalidated state law on the loving case?

 

[wanderingone]

Where I live there's lots of open-minded older people. I've been pretty surprised at the fact that pretty much the only people who stand openly as anti-gay bigots are fundy Christians of any age. Everyone else gets it. If Upstate NY were to take a vote right now I think the bigots would lose by a landslide.

I'm wondering when NY will take the plunge to make it legal and NOT take a vote on it. I know the current administration is NOT interested in fighting legal battles over these matters based on their choice to uphold marriages entered into in places where same sex marriage IS legal. I completely disagree with any vote on the topic. We shouldn't vote on individual rights.

I find the upstate counties to be rather conservative in my own work with them, but since we're dealing mostly fiscal it may be a difference between fiscal and social issues, in most of the rural counties I think a lot of people don't give a hoot as long as nobody raises their property taxes.

 

[geekgirlkelli]

I'm wondering when NY will take the plunge to make it legal and NOT take a vote on it. I know the current administration is NOT interested in fighting legal battles over these matters based on their choice to uphold marriages entered into in places where same sex marriage IS legal. I completely disagree with any vote on the topic. We shouldn't vote on individual rights.

I find the upstate counties to be rather conservative in my own work with them, but since we're dealing mostly fiscal it may be a difference between fiscal and social issues, in most of the rural counties I think a lot of people don't give a hoot as long as nobody raises their property taxes.

I agree on the voting. I was simply trying to make a point. We're not calling for a vote and I think it would be a travesty if we did it that way, even if we won. My group regularly communicates with constituents and Albany. We're very active in dealing with lawmakers one-on-one. The biggest thing that makes a difference in the area of gay rights is getting straight allies to sign cards stating that they are for specific gay rights. We took literally thousands of cards to Albany last year and will take thousands more this year. They do look a them and take them seriously. Some of our legislators were shocked at the number of letters we brought from straight allies. Yes, it makes a big difference. Now if we could only get rid of people like Dale Volker we'd be in really good shape. Why anyone, gay or straight, voted for that man, I have no idea.

 

[wanderingone]

I agree on the voting. I was simply trying to make a point. We're not calling for a vote and I think it would be a travesty if we did it that way, even if we won. My group regularly communicates with constituents and Albany. We're very active in dealing with lawmakers one-on-one. The biggest thing that makes a difference in the area of gay rights is getting straight allies to sign cards stating that they are for specific gay rights. We took literally thousands of cards to Albany last year and will take thousands more this year. They do look a them and take them seriously. Some of our legislators were shocked at the number of letters we brought from straight allies. Yes, it makes a big difference. Now if we could only get rid of people like Dale Volker we'd be in really good shape. Why anyone, gay or straight, voted for that man, I have no idea.

I know, I am interested in what would happen. In Albany I know most folks here aren't inclined to support a ban on same sex marriage or any notion of marriage being defined as specifically 1 man, 1 woman. Conservative churches aren't common here, shoot our little pride parade looked to be about 50% church groups and allies.

Volker is.... wyoming and Erie --? He should be focusing on Jobs, Jobs and business growth models.. - he seems to focus a lot on criminal matters.. (ex cop I guess...) is he a conservative Catholic? (I'm trying to picture him)
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When that out of state organization tried to force NY to stop recognizing marriages entered into out of state it didn't get a heck of a lot of support- I know they were supposedly acting on behalf of local people, but it seems the few locals who were offended by having to say spouse in state agency documents instead of "husband" or "wife" couldn't find a local lawyer that cared to take on the cause.

 

[Garyzenuf]

What? Got a link?

Oh...HolyRoller turned out to be Funnie Fundie, who was really The bible Thumper, who turned out to be a sock-puppet (whatever that is), who was pretending to be an Atheist to see if....I think when he was Funny Fundie he fell of his cross and bumped his head.

I was going to try and do a "link", but his threads from yesterday, I could not find.

Sorry for the derail.

 

[God-free]

What? Got a link?

Oh...HolyRoller turned out to be Funnie Fundie, who was really The bible Thumper, who turned out to be a sock-puppet (whatever that is), who was pretending to be an Atheist to see if....I think when he was Funny Fundie he fell of his cross and bumped his head.

I was going to try and do a "link", but his threads from yesterday, I could not find.

Sorry for the derail.

Try this one @ CF.net.

~Barbara

 

[Wyzaard]

How can I vote for something that I believe is wrong, immoral, or perverse?

How do your moral beliefs trump other people's Civil Rights?

 

[wanderingone]

I have no idea what casting your pearls means.

Really? Perhaps a study of Matthew is in order.