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Ok people - now is your chance to convice people like me what is better and why...

How easy is it to find drivers for hardware, games and other stuff and which requires the best and least hardware config...

But most of all - easy to use, compatabiliy and stuff like that....

go for it..........
 

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It really depends on your Linux desktop environment.

I've tried the Ubuntu and Kubuntu Live CDs, and I honestly prefer XP. GNOME has some good things going for it, but honestly, Windows has some little tidbits here and there that people take for granted from a usability perspective. Things like drag-and-drop. You can drag anything and drop it anywhere. GNOME's Applications menu could really use this. As for KDE, it looks cool but its K Menu is too much like the Start Menu, which is the one thing I dislike about Windows as far as UI goes. If that could be broken up a little bit more - they already did the System menu, let's do a couple more - then I think it would be a lot more fun to use.

For compatibility and application choice, Windows is without doubt the winner. I tried 2 Linux audio players, but when it comes to usability I like iTunes, Windows Media Player, and even MusicMatch better. I have no idea how many Firefox extensions are available for Linux, but I suspect it is less than what is available for Windows. Games? Windows all the way. Digital art, 3D, and video editing? Windows. And how about installation routines? All I have to do in Windows is double-click an exe file. Maybe unzip it first.

I'm not going to say Linux is a bad OS, since it has its uses especially as far as running a server is concerned. But for what I use a computer for, Windows just does everything better.
 
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Unix for "I'm 1337 LOLQQQPEW PEW PEW"
Vista for "600$ in upgrades?!"
Xp for "Pick this one"


On a serious note,
But most of all - easy to use, compatabiliy and stuff like that....
I would not go for any Unix OS if you don't want to spent time getting past the user unfriendly side.
 
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I didn't have to go search down any drivers when I installed Ubuntu on my computer - then again my setup is from 2001. If it weren't for a few things that I don't particularly like about Linux (lack of creation date logging being the biggest superficial reason; the biggest core concern being that its video editing/manipulation scene is still very much in its infancy), then I would probably use it more than XP. I've been very impressed with the speed and resource management as compared to Windows.

Even though I do have both GNOME and KDE installed, I rarely use either of them. I use Fluxbox as my default environment instead - it requires a lot of user input to set up initially, but I like things to be minimalist, within reason (I use Classic mode on Windows, for example, and was put off or simply unimpressed with Luna and Aero, respectively). Even so, the recent speed upgrades that came with Ubuntu 6.10 (particularly with GNOME) were very nice.

I think that the thing someone considering Linux should do is look at it the way they look at the difference between Mac and Windows - you're going to have a different set of things that will work and things that won't, and the systems themselves operate in fundamentally different ways. One shouldn't think of Linux the same way that they think of Windows or OS X, because it's not either of them (although admittedly, OS X is a lot closer to Linux in terms of heritage). Another thing is to not be afraid of using the command-line, but even saying that I don't actually use the Terminal all that much more in Linux than I do in Windows (which isn't too often).

I think it's beneficial to know how to use each OS, simply because it helps in general with knowing how a computer itself works. And the more you know...[end corny PSA now]. Seriously, though, there are a lot of factors that go into why Linux is better or why Windows would be better - it depends on the task, the user's own personality, eccentricities, and overall adaptability (and willingness to adapt, moreover). For 'basic' computing tasks like Web browsing, email, word processing, or spreadsheet work (I'm not talking full Office suites here - my idea of 'word processing' is using Wordpad or Notepad; I rarely use the Works word processor as it is), Ubuntu and most other Linux distributions are ready to go from the start and require little in the way of diving deep into the system because the common environments put those tasks right in front of you. It's when you start getting more specific with what you do with a program or how you operate that the differences and need for adaptation start rearing their heads. For me, I'm not too demanding - I'm not a 'basic' user by any means but I tend to stick to a program's sole function rather than push it into every nook and cranny that I can (I still use Winamp 2.95 and a normal .m3u playlist as my music player - so in terms of Linux, XMMS fits my needs and wants perfectly; users who want a full-fledged library aren't going to be satisfied with that and would probably like something like amaroK or whatever other ones there are - but they still need to be aware that they have to play by the rules of their respective OS - this would apply to someone switching from Windows to Mac, also).

Basically, others' suggestions are no substitute for personal experience. Go download some Live CD images from some of the big distributions and try them out that way. Be aware, of course, that Live CDs are naturally a lot slower because they run solely off RAM and the CD/DVD drive, but they do give a good impression of the features in the OS, the layout, basic operation, and so forth. The best thing about Live CDs is that they require no commitment - you're not installing anything to your hard drive so the only factor is having some CD-Rs handy.

As a note: I would recommend Ubuntu, simply because it was the first that actually did recognize my hardware and I liked the experience when trying it out. I had tried out Slax and Knoppix Live CDs, but could only use them on my parents' and grandparents' computers, not my own.

twistedsketch said:
I have no idea how many Firefox extensions are available for Linux, but I suspect it is less than what is available for Windows.
I was under the impression that FF extensions were mostly platform-agnostic - the only exceptions would be ones that depend on external programs, like IETab/IEView, the SnagIt toolbar/extension, download managers, etc. Most extensions I've seen are usually self-sufficient.

And how about installation routines? All I have to do in Windows is double-click an exe file. Maybe unzip it first.
This definitely just depends on what you're looking at. Synaptic is a very nice tool, and as long as you can get a .deb or .rpm of the program then it's not hard to install things at all, nor is it very involved (for deb packages, Gdeb is a must - all graphical; rpm's do require alien to convert them to deb's, but then, Gdeb like I already mentioned). The difficulty comes with nominal binaries and source code, neither of which I've had to deal with very often (rarely, in fact).
 
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Well.......

Ive been running Linux for 4 yrs, and I dont have a problem running any of my peripherals (HP Deskjet printer, Canon Lide30 Scanner, HP Digital Camera, Various USB keys etc etc etc) With the exception of the printer where I had to go to linuxprinting.org to drop in a .ppd file, everything has been plug in and play, just downloaded the appropriate software to run them

As for games, sorry Im not much of a gamer. If you want to buy off the shelf games to run in Linux, of course there is a problem unless you can get them running in Cedega. There are games for Linux, but just not the large variety you find that are written in Windows.

As for installing software, thats either been apt-get, Synaptic or running CNR (I run Linspire/Frespire) I find it the easiest to use for someone who comes over from using Windows. Its really not that hard as well to execute a .bin file either, or install a RPM or .deb software package either. (Note: CNR will soon be available for Ubuntu, Fedora, OpenSuSE, and Debian as well.)

If I need to run a Windows program and its compatabile, I'll just run WINE or use Codewavers Crossover product to install the Windows software.

Or I can run a whole Windows enviroment on Linux inside of a software emulator like VMWare, Parallels, or Virtualbox.

Its just that I took a little time to learn a few things, and Im quite satisfied with what I find in running Linux.
 
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Ok people - now is your chance to convice people like me what is better and why...

How easy is it to find drivers for hardware, games and other stuff and which requires the best and least hardware config...

But most of all - easy to use, compatabiliy and stuff like that....

go for it..........
Hmm? For games? May as well have Windows for that since most game developers are developing for Windows (me included). Windows is just more game development friendly by far. But for a workstation or server, Linux is my favorite choice. So for game client development, Windows is the choice, but if that is for an online game where you need to connect to a server to play than running the server application on a Linux or BSD server is a really good choice. Not just for security issues but because they tend to require less resources to run the OS while maintaining performance if not exceeding in some cases (such as with server clustering).


But I'm sure that since you mentioned games that this is an important issue in that you want to play the mainstream releases and so Windows is for that choice. On the other hand one can run more than one OS on a system and just boot up into the OS selection from the menu (Linux runs anywhere), or like for many of us to run more than one system. If you have no experience with other OS's than dual booting is certainly the way to go, Linux isn't really an Os that you can just jump into like Windows, Windows is dumbed down for anyone to use while Linux takes a bit of research to learn. That is at least for changing OS's all together, even dopey Windows has a learning curve for anyone and I find more frustrating as an advanced user since it does not let you do the things that can and should be able to achieve.
 
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Buying Vista is a waste of money. You'll need a super-computer to run it and you'll most likely need all new peripherals, too. Vista is still slow, the system is still second-rate, most things still look like XP. You are much better off getting a Mac. I'm running Tiger right now and it's fantastic. Best of all, it can run on an 5 year old Mac without a problem, and it still looks better than Vista. I'm sick of people talking about how good Flip 3D and all this stuff is, too. I can tell just by looking at it that Exposé is tons faster.
 
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I'm sick of people talking about how good Flip 3D and all this stuff is, too. I can tell just by looking at it that Exposé is tons faster.

Exposé has an entirely different function. It is the equivalent of the "Show Desktop" shortcut, and you have to be careful about which hotkey you set it as so it won't interfere with your applications (since you can't make it a clickable button on the Dock). Flip 3D is more of a successor to Windows Task Manager.
 
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Few Things first hand from A User of Vista.

1) No hardware upgrades required on my HP Pavilion ZV6000 Laptop (limited Gfx Card / 1G Memory)
2) Ultimate Version Full only Cost $199 for OEM Version
3) If you don't have a high end system, you Can still use Vista without upgrading, you just don't get to use all the Eye candy.
4) Eye candy is not the only thing updated, but Lots of back end stuff.
5) No New Hardware is required, no new peripherals needed.
 
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I'm running Tiger right now and it's fantastic.

I agree, I have two Macs both running Tiger and it is a really nice OS.

Best of all, it can run on an 5 year old Mac without a problem, and it still looks better than Vista.

That is a matter of taste, I'm running Vista right now and it sure looks pretty.

I'm sick of people talking about how good Flip 3D and all this stuff is, too. I can tell just by looking at it that Exposé is tons faster.

Again, that is a matter of taste. To be honest, I find Flip3d much nicer and faster because the key stroke both activates and flips the screens.

I also like Windows Sidebar better than Dashboard because your gadgets sit right there on the side of the screen, always visible by default. Once again, this is a matter of taste and I believe you can stick widgets on the Mac desktop as well.

Since moving to Vista, I'm starting to really get annoyed with OS X's overlay screens. They just seem like an unnecessary step.
 
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Apples and oranges. Windows is top tier when it comes to hardware and compatibility support, but Linux blows Windows out of the water as far as security. This, even though the NSA helped implement new security enhancements for Vista. For Linux, you have adaptability and scalability - even from an end-user perspective - that Windows can't possibly offer due to the way the OS is designed.

(Under Linux)
The problem with most of the desktop environments (GUI - KDE, Gnome, Xfce, etc..) isn't that the environment itself doesn't work a certain way, but that the user hasn't configured it the way they want it because, perhaps, they don't know they can. Under Gnome, I can make my system look and feel exactly like Windows with a bit of patience and know-how, even the illustrious Vista (using composite managers, for instance). Of course, Linux needs a lot more work than Windows, but IMHO, it's well worth the sacrifice in terms of security and system-wide control.
 
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At this point, nearly anything is better than Vista.

http://www.badvista.org

Stick to XP, or change to another OS - just stay away from Vista - at the very least until Service Pack 1 comes out. That is my professional opinion.
My personal opinion is;
Ditch Vista, get Linux. Or Mac OS. Or BeOS. Or Windows XP. Or get typewriters... Just ditch Windows Vista.
 
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Ditch Vista, get Linux. Or Mac OS. Or BeOS. Or Windows XP. Or get typewriters... Just ditch Windows Vista.

BeOS? Wow.
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Pick one of the windows if you want your computer to do everything for you and give you next to zero amount of control over your computer. Pick linux if you like having options and nearly fully control over the way your computer looks and operates. I've been running SUSE for 4 years, and I love it. Sometimes I get mad at YaST, but that's mostly from my inexperience. I have Gnome and KDE installed. (and a bunch of others as well)

Simply put, if you don't like being creative there's always a way to make your computer look like Mac OS X or like Windows if you really want to (why would you want to?!)

Almost all of the programs I have on Windows I can have on Linux, and for those that don't work...I still have my Windows partition so I can boot into Windows when I need to make music or make a music video. Other than that, I'm settled. Openoffice, gaim, nicotine (linux soulseek), gimp, azureus, amarok, seamonkey, and firefox some of my most used programs

One of the best things about Linux is that there's a load of them designed for different kinds of people. Although I will admit if you're a big gamer or an audio/video creator you might want to stick with windows XP for now.

Unless you don't like windows, but still want Windows games you could always try ReactOS.
 
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