Light years is a time measure

[kevinmaynard]

I am not perfect, I see it as I call it. Should God judge me for being aggressive, I will be humbled that I make mistakes and ask for understanding and forgiveness. However people seem to overlook obnoxiousness in others as long as it's not directed at them, which I find intolerable. You might find me intolerable, but perhaps that's why God brought us both to the same place. To challenge one anothers perspectives and improve us both as individuals.

I won't apologize for representing myself in an obnoxious manner. I am honest to myself and others, even if I am blatent in how I approach things. However, I do apologize if I misrepresent our Lord. He made me a Christian, I can only hope that He will understand when I lose my way, as only He knows me enough to know whether there is malice in my heart.

I think the evidence you present as to show you actually being a Christian is slim to none. Christians don't try to insult and be OE obnoxious. Nor promote the kkk

 

[Justatruthseeker]

A light year is a measure of time. Somewhat like an hourglass. If we transported an hourglass to the far reaches of the universe, for all we know, it would not take an hour for the grains to fall. Likewise, if we were there, would time even exist? If so would it exist as we on earth know it? The answer is we do not know. Therefore a light year can not be a measure of distance anywhere that time does not exist, and exist exactly as we know it here!

Without distances all of stellar evolution crumbles into dust.


Cool.

Time is nothing but another measure of distance.

 

[freezerman2000]

A light year is a measure of time. Somewhat like an hourglass. If we transported an hourglass to the far reaches of the universe, for all we know, it would not take an hour for the grains to fall. Likewise, if we were there, would time even exist? If so would it exist as we on earth know it? The answer is we do not know. Therefore a light year can not be a measure of distance anywhere that time does not exist, and exist exactly as we know it here!

Without distances all of stellar evolution crumbles into dust.


Cool.

Im just wondering,is that supposed to be God's eye?

 

[dad]

Maybe try referring to reality instead of your fantasies. You have been defeated.

Unless time exists, and is the same far far away, all your beliefs are wrong.

If time changes one must include the possibility that time changes so much we get into the furture when real far from earth NOT the past!!!!!!!!!?


All your stories are religion. God was right. So right.

 

[dad]

Is dad a scientist, or even learned in science?
What experiments has he conducted to support his different state past philosophy?

What sort do you think would test the state of a time long gone, or whether time exists as we know it far away? I think this may be above the ability and range of mere science.

 

[dad]

In any case, disputing the speed of light is fine as long as you have some evidence to back up a reason to think it would be different.

The speed of light is not an issue. If you want to debate maybe try to get some sort of grip.

The speed of light is not an arbitrary constant. It's true that we could define meters and miles and seconds and so on to be different in some way, but regardless of how big a yardstick is, the speed at which light travels simply *is* a certain value and we have devised a system of numbers, units, and mathematics to quantify it.

Absurd. We are not talking about the speed of light near earth, but the nature of a universe where light exists...far from the fishbowl.

But it is not arbitrary and does not exist on its own. The speed of light is actually tied to two other important constants, usually depicted as Greek letters epsilon and mu, the electric permittivity of free space and the magnetic permeability of free space. This should make sense to anyone who knows that light is (at least in one aspect) a self-propagating electro-magnetic wave. And each of those constants is key to the magnitude of electro-magnetic forces.

Irrelevant unless you extend it far far away and long ago. How light behaves in the present state earth is just not an issue at all.

So let's suppose, as dad desperately wants to believe, that the speed of light could be different somewhere else in the universe.

Very one dimensional in box thinking. Speed needs time. If there is no time, what happens to speed? There is time here on earth, and a certain way it works. Not far away that we know.

Now generally, young-earthers argue for a young universe - which means, the speed of light has to be much higher in other parts of the universe in order to have reached earth not in 2 million years or 2 billion years, but in just 6000 years.

This is a lame canard strawman, and totally misses the point.

It also, consequently, means that the further away an object is in the universe from us, the speed of light must be much higher.

You are fighting someone Else's ideas. Don't pretend they are mine.

What dad just fails to address in any of his blathering is how matter can possibly exist in those other parts of the universe.

Possibly in conjunction with a spiritual also state or reality?

(In fact, his position is contradictory to all the theist apologists, as will be demonstrated, who argue that God must exist because all the physical constants of the universe are "so perfect and precise,"

By universe they mean earth and area, and simply believe so called science's assertions about the universe beyond.

If the speed of light is much higher in some distant part of the universe that we can see, then that means either a) the electric constant is much lower or b) the magnetic constant is much lower or c) both are much lower.

False. You merely envision a universe as an extension of the fishbowl of earth and area in this state. Light may be able to exist in another state!?


Now try to realize time is the topic here, and how it is a part of any speed, and may not exist or be the same far from earth. Therefore ALL your calculations are null and void.

 

[dad]

Im just wondering,is that supposed to be God's eye?

I doubt it.

 

[dad]

Nobody gets to decide, as an individual, what a unit is a measurement of.

Light-year - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That is a light-year. There is no room for interpretation or discussion any more than there is for "what is a centimeter"

False. How far light goes in one year involves time. Face it. No one gets to deny it. You can't see time. Science doesn't even know what it is, really. How in tarnation could you know if it existed as on earth exactly far far far far away????

 

[Loudmouth]

The speed of light is not an issue. If you want to debate maybe try to get some sort of grip.

If you want to claim it isn't a problem, then provide evidence that it isn't a problem. Your made up fantasies do not make the problems go away.

 

[dad]

Time is nothing but another measure of distance.

In the mind of science? Or in yours? Time is a concept of earth folks basically, and something God set up temporarily for us men. He is not subject to time. We are. The issue is whether all the universe is and is in the exact same way, and how in blazes we would know!

 

[Loudmouth]

In the mind of science? Or in yours?

In the mind of reasonable and sane people.

Time is a concept of earth folks basically, and something God set up temporarily for us men. He is not subject to time. We are. The issue is whether all the universe is and is in the exact same way, and how in blazes we would know!

Those are all bare assertions without any evidence to back them up.

Present evidence, not faith based beliefs.

 

[dad]

If you want to claim it isn't a problem, then provide evidence that it isn't a problem.

Why would light moving be any problem? If you claim it is, don't blame others.

When light is near earth it moves a certain way, and other things do also. Time included. All you have done is look at that and try to pull a Buzz Lightyear on us, and claim it applies to infinity and beyond. Get serious. I have enough problems without you inventing more for me.

 

[dad]

In the mind of reasonable and sane people.

You would need to be qualified to make that statement.

 

[RealityCheck]

The existence of time is the question?

Oh this OP is so much dumber than I thought.

Once again, dad, the guy in your avatar figured this out. Time is not a "thing" that exists like matter and energy do, it is a *dimension* of the universe. It is completely interrelated with space. Just a cursory basic-level reading of special relativity will teach you that. In order for time not to exist somewhere in the universe, space would also have to not exist. And therefore it wouldn't be part of the universe at all - so no part of the universe can lack the time dimension. You might as well say there's some part of the universe that lacks a height dimension.

I know of course you will just reply with "Prove it" but there's no need. The work is already done, you just need to get your head out of the sand and quit pretending that this is somehow a problem for science. It's only a problem for *you*.

 

[Heissonear]

In the mind of reasonable and sane people.



Those are all bare assertions without any evidence to back them up.

Present evidence, not faith based beliefs.

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When you say "faith based beliefs" you fail to look at the foundation you stand on. Hypocritical? Yes!

And as far as what dad stated, he is right. Your maturity of the Spiritual and God's ways are exposed! God has set things up in wondrous ways that will take eons for us going on with Him to learn about, even the depth of His forethought before bringing them about in full display and function.

Your faith is in evidence, what makes you think ours isn't?


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[TLK Valentine]

Your faith is in evidence, what makes you think ours isn't?

Because when called upon to provide even a modicum of evidence, you didn't even have the courage to try. You started spouting and hoped nobody would notice the doubletalk.

 

[Heissonear]

The existence of time is the question?

Oh this OP is so much dumber than I thought.

Once again, dad, the guy in your avatar figured this out. Time is not a "thing" that exists like matter and energy do, it is a *dimension* of the universe. It is completely interrelated with space. Just a cursory basic-level reading of special relativity will teach you that. In order for time not to exist somewhere in the universe, space would also have to not exist. And therefore it wouldn't be part of the universe at all - so no part of the universe can lack the time dimension. You might as well say there's some part of the universe that lacks a height dimension.

I know of course you will just reply with "Prove it" but there's no need. The work is already done, you just need to get your head out of the sand and quit pretending that this is somehow a problem for science. It's only a problem for *you*.

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Your value put on smart men is obvious. But don't compare them to Him!

Your dust perspective of time falls exceedingly short of what dad presents. Do you want to confess, naiveness?

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[TLK Valentine]

Your value put on smart men is obvious. But don't compare them to Him!

We'll happily compare them to you and dad.

Spoiler Alert: You lose.

 

[Heissonear]

Because when called upon to provide even a modicum of evidence, you didn't even have the courage to try. You started spouting and hoped nobody would notice the doubletalk.

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Remember, Dr. Psychiatrist, you said it was all in my head. You were speaking from your dust perspective of existence, which is pail short of reality we walk and exist in.

There is all the evidence you want for the existence of the Spiritual Realm, a World of higher life in our midst.

Not only have I witness of a glimpse of Him but many times of demons, as God planned and allowed. Power above the natural you question? Power that is "all in your head"?

Doc, this is repetitive. You are being a slow learner, in fact rather stubborn. He is, and so is higher life in our midst. When are you going to come off the sidelines and find out yourself? It's always listening to others about this stuff, but never firsthand knowing for yourself. Even a geologist like me found out. Are you afraid of the Source?


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[Heissonear]

We'll happily compare them to you and dad.

Spoiler Alert: You lose.

You are using the wrong yard stick. Common for Naturalists, so you are excused.


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