Light years is a time measure

[TLK Valentine]

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Remember, Dr. Psychiatrist, you said it was all in my head.

Did I? Link please?

You were speaking from your dust perspective of existence, which is pail short of reality we walk and exist in.

of course you do -- what color is the sky in your reality?

There is all the evidence you want for the existence of the Spiritual Realm, a World of higher life in our midst.

You hide it well.

Not only have I witness of a glimpse of Him but many times of demons, as God planned and allowed. Power above the natural you question? Power that is "all in your head"?

Doc, this is repetitive. You are being a slow learner, in fact rather stubborn. He is, and so is higher life in our midst. When are you going to come off the sidelines and find out yourself? It's always listening to others about this stuff, but never firsthand knowing for yourself. Even a geologist like me found out. Are you afraid of the Source?

You truly have nothing but bluff and bluster, and I find it sad.

Can you not substantiate a single one of your grandiose claims?

 

[RealityCheck]

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Your value put on smart men is obvious. But don't compare them to Him!

Your dust perspective of time falls exceedingly short of what dad presents. Do you want to confess, naiveness?

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First dad hasn't presented any alternative view of time other than "you don't know if it really exists!!!!" So that can be readily dismissed. Assertions made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

Second, you're telling me to compare the knowledge of people that are known to exist with that of a being whose existence has yet to be demonstrated in concrete terms of any kind. You may as well be telling me not to meddle in the affairs of dragons.

 

[RealityCheck]

Your faith is in evidence, what makes you think ours isn't?


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Evidence requires no faith. Faith is belief in a thing without evidence and with a self-proclaimed lack of need for evidence. Faith is the antithesis of evidence and reason. Just ask Martin Luther.

 

[Loudmouth]

You are using the wrong yard stick. Common for Naturalists, so you are excused.


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Such a statement is usually followed by evidence that they are using the wrong yard stick.

 

[dad]

The existence of time is the question?

Speaking of dumb, it is not the existence of time that is any question. The question is whether time exists as we know it here. Is it slower...faster..? How would you know?

Once again, dad, the guy in your avatar figured this out.

No, the poor guy figured out how things work in the fishbowl, and how space time near earth works.

Time is not a "thing" that exists like matter and energy do, it is a *dimension* of the universe.

Says you. That is a concept...a fishbowl concept. Define time?

It is completely interrelated with space.

Speculation, you have no idea what space is like far far away. Nor time.

Just a cursory basic-level reading of special relativity will teach you that.

Get over this venerating of relativity. It is mickey mouse, small potatoes, almost irrelevant to the universe as a whole. It also will cease to exist with the new heaven and earth coming soon. It also probably did not exist in Noah's day as we know it!

In order for time not to exist somewhere in the universe, space would also have to not exist.

Nonsense. How much space is there in your bedroom? Yet time passes while you sleep. In what way can you make time and space inseparable? Inseperablle in such a way that time could not go slower of faster in that space?? After all, time is different high above earth.

And therefore it wouldn't be part of the universe at all - so no part of the universe can lack the time dimension.

Whoah!! It may be able to lack an earth set clock time dimension!!! You cannot know that.

You might as well say there's some part of the universe that lacks a height dimension.

We could trounce other fishbowl dimensions later. Right now, we are talking time.

I know of course you will just reply with "Prove it" but there's no need. The work is already done, you just need to get your head out of the sand and quit pretending that this is somehow a problem for science. It's only a problem for *you*.

You don't know what you are talking about. In no way does the concept of spacetime able to preclude time existing independently of earth area spacetime.

 

[dad]

We'll happily compare them to you and dad.

Spoiler Alert: You lose.

Don't kid yourself. The most honored prophet in the bible John the Baptist. Einstein is just another pagan compared to him. Believers will rule with Christ forever. Pagans won't even be on the earth. The ideas of Einstein are relative to this state and to earth, and area in this state. You cannot compare the dead with the living, or the 'great' men of the world with God's truly greats. That is true.

 

[RealityCheck]

Don't kid yourself. The most honored prophet in the bible John the Baptist. Einstein is just another pagan compared to him. Believers will rule with Christ forever. Pagans won't even be on the earth. The ideas of Einstein are relative to this state and to earth, and area in this state. You cannot compare the dead with the living, or the 'great' men of the world with God's truly greats. That is true.

Says you in your fishbowl over your head. Prove that's true outside of your brain.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Such a statement is usually followed by evidence that they are using the wrong yard stick.

Not when it comes from a creationist.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

In the mind of science? Or in yours? Time is a concept of earth folks basically, and something God set up temporarily for us men. He is not subject to time. We are. The issue is whether all the universe is and is in the exact same way, and how in blazes we would know!

What is time? The measure of the distance of the Earth's orbit around the sun we call a year? The measure of the distance the earth revolves around its own axis we call a day?

The movement of a pendulum on a clock? The movement of the oscillation of a cesium atom? It is pure movement. Proven by the fact that distance and time are divided in mathematics, and one can not divide two unrelated things. d/t means that the numerator must be related to the denominator.

Division (mathematics) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Conceptually, division describes two distinct but related settings"


They can not be two completely separate things, but must be related. They are both merely measurements of distance.

 

[Heissonear]

First dad hasn't presented any alternative view of time other than "you don't know if it really exists!!!!" So that can be readily dismissed. Assertions made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

Second, you're telling me to compare the knowledge of people that are known to exist with that of a being whose existence has yet to be demonstrated in concrete terms of any kind. You may as well be telling me not to meddle in the affairs of dragons.

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It will continue to be imaginary until you wake up to what has always been in our midst, every moment. It's not going away anytime time soon.

There have been plenty of demonstrations, but you dont look very hard. Are you another sideline subject matters expert?

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[Heissonear]

Don't kid yourself. The most honored prophet in the bible John the Baptist. Einstein is just another pagan compared to him. Believers will rule with Christ forever. Pagans won't even be on the earth. The ideas of Einstein are relative to this state and to earth, and area in this state. You cannot compare the dead with the living, or the 'great' men of the world with God's truly greats. That is true.

 

[morningstar2651]

Like I have said before, CF needs a comedy section.

This is it.

 

[dad]

Says you in your fishbowl over your head. Prove that's true outside of your brain.

If you want to try to mimic a winning style, work on it a bit first.

 

[morningstar2651]

If you want to try to mimic a winning style, work on it a bit first.

 

[dad]

What is time?

That is the 64 dollar question! Science doesn't know. I would say it is a process that this world and life are put in as part of their environment. I would guess that time supersedes this universe itself, because this was made in a week, so time had to already exist. I would say that time can be looked at as more than the earth area process rates and realities we are placed in at this moment.

The devil showed Jesus the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time! So time can be different than the usual time man knows. I guess it is a big subject.

It is pure movement.

No!!!!

Things move and time in involved, and time as we experience it here can be marked by movements. But the movement is not time itself!

Proven by the fact that distance and time are divided in mathematics, and one can not divide two unrelated things. d/t means that the numerator must be related to the denominator.

That is just evidence of limited perception, and small thinking inducted into math.

They can not be two completely separate things, but must be related. They are both merely measurements of distance.

Only in the fishbowl of this present temporal state of man!!


Think out of the box. Don't be as limited as Einstein was.

 

[morningstar2651]

This thread is way too long. Here is the correction to the false statement in the thread title:

A year is a measurement of time. It's the period of time it takes for the Earth to revolve around the Sun - Approx 365.25 days.

A light year is a measurement of distance. It's the distance that light travels in one year - Approx 5,878,499,810,000 miles.

Light speed is a measurement of velocity (distance divided by time). Exactly 1 light year per year.

A light year is not a measurement of time - you can't convert a measurement of 3 miles into years. It's like trying to convert a person's height into minutes. How many minutes tall are you?

 

[RealityCheck]

If you want to try to mimic a winning style, work on it a bit first.

Sorry, I was mimicking insanity. I'll work harder on the frothing at the keyboard.

 

[RealityCheck]

That is the 64 dollar question! Science doesn't know. I would say it is a process that this world and life are put in as part of their environment. I would guess that time supersedes this universe itself, because this was made in a week, so time had to already exist. I would say that time can be looked at as more than the earth area process rates and realities we are placed in at this moment.

No. Time does not supersede the universe. Time is a property of the universe just like space is a property of the universe. Your bare assertion "science doesn't know" is wrong, and you even admit that everything else you are basing your personal beliefs on is a guess and your personal opinion. In science those are completely irrelevant.

The devil showed Jesus the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time! So time can be different than the usual time man knows. I guess it is a big subject.

Only if you believe the Bible story is true, and then presume that your explanation is the best one to explain the Bible. True fishbowl thinking at its finest.

Things move and time in involved, and time as we experience it here can be marked by movements. But the movement is not time itself!

While more or less correct, this is irrelevant.

 

[Old Ned]

That is the 64 dollar question!
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$64 question? Wow, the worlds economy must be in a worse state than I thought.

Oh and +1 for Morningstar's last post.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

That is the 64 dollar question! Science doesn't know. I would say it is a process that this world and life are put in as part of their environment. I would guess that time supersedes this universe itself, because this was made in a week, so time had to already exist. I would say that time can be looked at as more than the earth area process rates and realities we are placed in at this moment.

The devil showed Jesus the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time! So time can be different than the usual time man knows. I guess it is a big subject.
No!!!!

Things move and time in involved, and time as we experience it here can be marked by movements. But the movement is not time itself!



That is just evidence of limited perception, and small thinking inducted into math.
Only in the fishbowl of this present temporal state of man!!


Think out of the box. Don't be as limited as Einstein was.

There is no such ting as time. There is no past, no future, merely the present. Time is a manmade concept. There is no time travel, and never will be. There is no paradox about moving twins. It takes one year for the earth to orbit the sun, merely another measure of distance. It takes so many oscillations of a cesium atom to count a second. merely the distance the atom oscillates. Until you realize time is nothing but a measurement of distance, you will always be mystified by it.

Although not a big fan of his, he sets it out very well in his paper.

A revaluation of time and velocity by Miles Williams Mathis