Life without sin is a lot more easier and fun than sinning.

[SUNSTONE]

These are sins? Since when?

My great grandfather smoked most of his life, except for the last 10 years.
In those last ten years he was bed ridden, suffering pain nonstop.
He had numerous heart attacks, strokes, and operations.
You can't imagine the amount of pain he went through.

My grandfather drank, smoke, and had bad eating habits. He was severly depressed for years and years, then one day he had a massive heart attack and died at 55.

My mom smokes and doesn't eat right.
She weights more than I do, and as a result she has a cyatic nerve problem. So now she is in constant pain, and she can hardly walk.
She also has emphazima(sp?) and can hardly breath, and she still smokes.
She has headaches every day, and gets sick very easy.

My stepfather smokes and has emphazima.
He's not over wieght, but because he didn't workout, he has cronic back pain.
Newmonia(sp?) almost killed him this year.
He also has headaches regularly, and both of them have ulcers for years.

My great grandmother is the only member that I know of in my family that changed her ways a long long time ago. She went to church regularly and didn't smoke, and her food is fresh and healthy and tasty.
She out lived 2 husbands, and all of her children.
She was living on her own, with a sound mind at the age of 90. She died in her sleep peacefully just 8 months ago.


Which path would you like to take?

 

[msbojingles]

I understand what you are trying to convey Sunstone. When we sin it affects us and those around us in a negative way. It may give us a little pleasure, but it's end result is death. "And sin when fully grown produces death." That word "death" in Scripture (where that statement is taken from) refers to physical death.

Sometimes I think we can get burdened down with naming sin all the time, and then it becomes legalistic to us, which makes it hard. But if we look at the things, rather, that give Life, it becomes a bit easier.

"Choose this day life or death."

A very simple statement from God's Word, one which we can apply to nearly every situation we may encounter during our day. However, we will still mess up - and we're always going to until we die. Jesus knew that - and that's why He knew He had to die in our stead.

But you are right. We can do things in this life now to give ourselves better quality of life.

 

[SUNSTONE]

You guys have no idea how many tears I have shed over my family, and myself(because of my sins).

I remember being in the ER for a bad cut, and seeing a women having a heart attack.
She moaned in pain for HOURS.
I prayed right there on the spot, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE GOD, DON'T LET ME GO DOWN THAT ROAD!

Sometimes I think we can get burdened down with naming sin all the time, and then it becomes legalistic to us, which makes it hard. But if we look at the things, rather, that give Life, it becomes a bit easier.

If you look at it both ways, it will help even more.
Sin will bring on pain, and doing the right thing will bring joy.

 

[Tamara224]

Some of these posts make me very sad, because some of you will learn the hard way.
Some of you are heading down a road that you will utterly regret later on in life.

Why make your life so hard??? Do you have any idea of how much pain you are about to recieve as the years go by.

The bible describes hell as a place of weeping and nashing of teeth.
And that is exactly what you are going to experience here on earth.
Pain upon pain upon pain.

I believe you'll go to heaven because you believe in Jesus, but you will experience a form of hell before you get there.

Man, ease up. Worrying kills more people than fast food.


FTR: My grandmother smoked for 45 years. She quit a few years ago. Before she quit, though, the doctor was kind of mad at her that she had pretty much nothing wrong with her. She's as healthy as a young ox.

My grandfather (on the other side) smoked for less than a year back when he was in the navy. After he got out of the navy, he got involved in the Pentecostal Holiness churches (he was a pastor for 50 years). He bought into the whole "don't drink, don't smoke, don't dance, don't go to movies" legalisms that were popular in the Holiness movement.

He now carries oxygen with him wherever he goes and he is pretty much confined to a wheelchair because he has asbestosis. He didn't do anything to bring that upon himself. He was exposed to it in the navy when they didn't know it was harmful. He didn't sin. He just suffers from life.

Besides which, we are never promised a completely happy, healthy, suffering-free life.

If we spend all our time worrying about it... all we're going to do is bring on a heart attack. Worry is much worse for me than a big mac.

I appreciate the fact that you've seen your family suffer from things.

But their suffering doesn't mean they sinned. Made bad choices? Most likely. But that doesn't equate to sin.

I think you'd win a lot of people to your side if you would be reasonable about the terms you use.

Smoking, drinking, failing to exercise and eating "unhealthy" foods are not sins. And saying they are not sins does not mean that any of us actually do (or don't do) any of those things.

Temper your zeal with wisdom, grace and love.

Legalism never made anyone holy, happy or healthy.

 

[SUNSTONE]

Legalism is all about "do the right thing or go to hell".

You can call those things sin, bad choices, or stupidity, it's all the same to me.

I thought there might be something wrong with me worrying so much.
But then I read what Paul said about how he has great sorrow for the people(I'll find the verse) which leads me to live just like Jesus.
The only fun I have is working towards making this world a better place.

 

[Tamara224]

Legalism is all about "do the right thing or go to hell".

Legalism is also about "do the right thing or God won't use you." Legalism is "rule-following".

You can call those things sin, bad choices, or stupidity, it's all the same to me.

Which is, perhaps, part of the problem.

I thought there might be something wrong with me worrying so much.
But then I read what Paul said about how he has great sorrow for the people(I'll find the verse) which leads me to live just like Jesus.
The only fun I have is working towards making this world a better place.

Sorrow =/= anxiety.

Living like Jesus =/= telling people that drinking, smoking and failing to exercise is a sin. (Especially not the drinking part).

 

[SpiritPsalmist]

Are you saying then that its great to sin, "feel free, it doesnt matter because God by his grace will forgive you, in fact sin as much as you can so that grace can abound"?

I think you have actually used this scripture out of context a bit.

The Amplified Bible words that differently. It says "Now sin is the sting of death, and sin exercises its power [i][upon the soul] through [j][the abuse of] the Law."

Legalism would be following mans rules added on to what God instructed. We see that in almost every church there is. Things like "if you don't read your Bible everyday then your sinning" (thats abusing the instruction to study to show thyself approved), "if you don't come to prayer meeting/church service/Sunday School, etc."( thats abusing the instruction to not forsake the assemblying together of the saints), "if you don't tithe you're going to hell. (thats abusing the instruction to give to the storehouse" yada, yada, yada. Even our Charismatic, Penticostal, WOF, etc., churches are guilty of legelism....just in different form.

 

[enoch son]

A pop tart by itself isn't sin, but if you habitually have poor eating habits, you'll suffer for it.

Here what funny about this You wright at the bottom of the page submit to god. It doesn't say submit your will, or you will submit to god. It say's submit it's done, it's over God wins and doesn't need you help.

 

[SUNSTONE]

My uncle has slept with more than 100 different women.
He has never caught a disease, or had any unwanted pregnancys.

You can find examples of where people smoked their whole life, or had bad eating habits, or drank too much, and they don't get cancer or seem to have the problems that are common with that lifestyle.
These are the exceptions, not the norm.

People who do these things do not believe they will suffer later on down the road.
If they did, they probably wouldn't do them.
It's like a theif who steals, they never think they will get caught.

 

[SUNSTONE]

Bump

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

Will the Christian who can from this moment forward guarantee him or her self to never sin again, either in thought, word, or deed, please step forward and take this stone.

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If you just stepped forward then you just lied, therefore you sinned, therefore go back to your seat. No stones to throw for YOU today!!!

 

[SUNSTONE]

Jesus told that women "go and sin no more".

So many christians are marching towards their death, and the bible says we are to say something about it.

Cigs and obessity lifestyle kill around 2400(Super Size Movie talks about statistics on over eating, and commercials have been aired on tobacco killing 1200 people every day) people every day in America.
In less than 1 month, these two problems kill more americans than 7 years of the Vietnam war.


And saying something does not equate throwing stones. Saying something, is just that...saying something.
You are using "throwing stones" in a manipulative way.