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Life Expectancy in Red States vs Blue States

Discussion in 'American Politics' started by DaisyDay, Dec 3, 2019 at 12:13 PM.

  1. DaisyDay

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    JAMA - The State of US Health, 1990-2016
    Burden of Diseases, Injuries, and Risk Factors Among US States

    America’s Red State Death Trip - Why does falling life expectancy track political orientation

    Life expectancy continues to increase in countries with universal health care while it has declined in the USA. However, blue states have almost kept pace with European life expectancy while red states have declined.
     
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  2. iluvatar5150

    iluvatar5150 Well-Known Member

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    And let's all get in a tizzy when Michelle Obama wants to make school lunches healthier.
     
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  3. KarateCowboy

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    "Universal healthcare" is a lying euphemism for govt. rationed. People are still denied care in those systems. It's not universal.

    BTW Paul Krugman has been caught fabricating data many times
     
  4. iluvatar5150

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    First time my parents came to visit me in Boston, they repeatedly noted how skinny everybody was. IME, NYC isn't much different. Even down here in Baltimore, people are noticeably more fit than they are back home.
     
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  5. KarateCowboy

    KarateCowboy Classical liberal

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    This.

    It has far more to do with diet than funding
     
  6. solid_core

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    [​IMG]
     
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  7. Ken Rank

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    It not just not universal... it is expensive. In Sweden, the go-to-country for many on the left when discussing this topic, has an average 61.15% tax rate and no minimum wage in what is still a free market society. Can you imagine how the younger folks today will react when, if they were making $15 an hour, they lose $9.17 off each hourly wage to pay for this nonsense? :) Nothing is free, but they seem to think it is and they are entitled to it? A rude awakening awaits!
     
  8. ChristianForCats

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    She has already done that. Spent eight years fighting child obesity. You are late to the party.
     
  9. iluvatar5150

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    I know.
     
  10. solid_core

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    Average net income in Sweden is about 2,700 us dollars with all important services free (free health care, free education...) and with a social net so that when somebody lost his job, he can live a standard life until he finds another. Also old people can live a standard life.

    Average net income in the USA is 3,200 US dollars and you must pay everything from an usual dentist visit to a high-tech cancer treatment.

    Not sure whether all the criminality, gangs, drugs, streets full of homeless people and huge debts of so many Americans is worth your 500 US dollars a month more. But its about our mindset. I will rather be poorer and live in a safe country than to be richer and be afraid of mentally ill individuals who cannot afford a treatment on the streets or walking in streets full of people living in tents few miles from city centres.
     
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  11. Chris V++

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    Everyone knows those Blue state vegetarnazis are Godless socialist commies. There is only one way to cook a Twinkie, and that's deep fried.
     
  12. bekkilyn

    bekkilyn Contemplative Christian Supporter

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    What is it exactly that you believe all of those people in Sweden can't buy (or save) when practically everything they need is already paid for before they even get a paycheck? Even if they get a bit less take-home money in their paychecks, they still have more disposable income than we do.
     
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  13. DaisyDay

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    More universal than what we got. Here, you pay more and get less.

    Slander.
     
  14. Anthony2019

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    I have spent my entire life living under a universal healthcare system. All the time I have been in work, the most I have ever had to pay is a very modest fraction of my monthly salary as well as tax and my pension contribution. Everyone, irrespective of their economic or employment status, has access to comprehensive healthcare under the National Health Service. This means if we have an accident or become ill, we can see our general practitioner or other specialist or get treatment at any NHS hospital across the United Kingdom, even an ambulance to take us there if needed. All of this without receiving any bill or demand for payment. The NHS certainly has a lot of room for improvement, but every day it is literally saving people's lives and giving them a quality of life and health that would otherwise not be possible.
     
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  15. Ken Rank

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    Yes, I know. And I know that out of the 2700 US dollars they pay on average 61.15% back to the government for that "free" healthcare and "free" education. I don't know how you get "free" when you have to work from January through SEPTEMBER just to pay the government for your "free" stuff??? :) Anyway... add in that they only have 11 million people... our 350 million create a different dynamic and oh by the way... >>WE<< subsidize their national defense. That's right... if they get attacked, we pay for it and physically go defend them. Sounds like they have a great self-sufficient system going on there... ever consider moving? :)
     
  16. Ken Rank

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    Out of their 2700 US dollars equivalent income, they pay on average 61.15% back to the government for that "free" healthcare and "free" education. I don't know how you get "free" when you have to work from January through AUGUST just to pay the government for your "free" stuff??? :) Anyway... add in that they only have 11 million people... our 350 million create a different dynamic and oh by the way... >>WE<< subsidize their national defense. That's right... if they get attacked, we pay for it and physically go defend them. Sounds like they have a great self-sufficient system going on there... ever consider moving?
     
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  17. whatbogsends

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    Do you know what "net income" means? I ask because this post suggests you don't... (hint: that $2,700 is after taxes)
     
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  18. renniks

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    Really? Sounds like some one did a study and made it come out the way he wanted it to.
     
  19. solid_core

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    2,700 is already a net monthly income, that means after all taxation.

    I think you do not understand how it works if you think that people work from January to September only for government. What do you think we eat? Grass?

    Insurance is not free, when you do not need it.. If you need it because of some tragic life situation, you may get so much from it that its "free" compared to what you put into it. Another concept you do not seem to understand.
     
  20. OldWiseGuy

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    The red state/blue state health figures are a paradox.

    Conservative lifestyle leads to better health.
    Liberal approach leads to poor health.
     
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