Life evolved. Deal with it.

[KWCrazy]

I most certainly do. I began learning about evolution in seventh grade, continuing into eighth. I took two courses of honors biology in high school along with an advanced placement biology course. I took an honors course in anatomy and physiology in high school as well, which covered evolution. I am currently finishing up my freshman year in university, which has included an anthropology course (covered human evolution), an intro to biology course, and a biology lab. This does not include my own readings on evolution outside of the classroom. So, I would say I have a very good foundational knowledge of the theory of evolution.

Noooo, you don't get it.
Evolutionists are smarter than we are. If you don't believe it's because you don't understand it. At least, that's their argument.....
Which they put forward while discussing things of which they have no understanding.

 

[HitchSlap]

In other words, one needn't know a single thing about astrophysics to get the message of Genesis chapter 1 correctly.

Yes, ignorance of science is necessarily required for literal G1/2 acceptance.

 

[KWCrazy]

Evolution does not usurp any claims of God.

Well... there is that pesky thing written by the hand of God in Exodus 20:11.....

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

YHWH has HIS HAND in everything !
Y'SHUA holds all things in the universe together,
BY HIS WORD !

 

[Kenny'sID]

I understand why you feel this way.

That's more than I can say for what you presented.

 

[Speedwell]

Well... there is that pesky thing written by the hand of God in Exodus 20:11.....

Gen 20:11 is a parenthetical insertion by the transcriber, not part of what God wrote on tablets for Moses.

 

[Kenny'sID]

What is it that you suppose I am defending?

Your side of the argument???

 

[KWCrazy]

I disagree. A good many bible scholars agree that they are two different stories by two different authors writing about a century apart.

Since they are unquestionably wrong, by what standard could they be considered scholars? The last "Biblical Scholar" posting in this forum, in the end, knew absolutely nothing about the Scriptures.

 

[KWCrazy]

Gen 20:11 is a parenthetical insertion by the transcriber, not part of what God wrote on tablets for Moses.

I contend that your statement is an intentional lie, 100% in contradiction to the actual facts.
Exodus 31:18 And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.

 

[Speedwell]

Your side of the argument???

LOL! Which is that I don't care very much about the theory of evolution, but I care very much about the baleful effect of biblical fundamentalism.

 

[Speedwell]

I contend that your statement is an intentional lie, 100% in contradiction to the actual facts.
Exodus 31:18 And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.

So how do you explain the change of voicing?

 

[Kenny'sID]

LOL! Which is that I don't care very much about the theory of evolution, but I care very much about the baleful effect of biblical fundamentalism.

OK.

 

[Halbhh]

Yes, ignorance of science is necessarily required for literal G1/2 acceptance.

But, even though it does read as a poem....

Knowing a lot (I don't mean a little) about astrophysics....allows one to see it has more correspondence to modern theories than people imagine....

Of course, you'd have to be informed, and not too prejudiced, to read on what I wrote above.

 

[John 1720]

After having been an active participant in this forum for years then sitting back and just reading for several more I find that I am rather saddened by the level of ignorance that is currently accepted around here. No, the fact that you don't understand something does not invalidate it in any way. The fact that you have a "problem" with it doesn't matter. Life on earth evolved from a single common ancestor and until there's a better explanation that's what happened.

There are thousands if not tens of thousands of creation stories out there. Not one is supported by the evidence. Including Genesis. Creationists of all colors, old, young, aliens... etc. Not one bit of proper evidence to support your claims exists. Yes, I know... blasphemy! The Bible is true because it must be true. Literally true. Ok... I know you believe that. But it's not scientific and it's not supported scientifically. Evolution is. Every fossil is a transitional fossil. (that is if that creature had offspring) To claim there are no transitional fossils is just showing your ignorance of what a transitional fossil actually is. To claim there are differences between macro and micro evolution does the same. You can't show me the line between them. Where is there a magical barrier that stops creatures from evolving? Where is it stated that people must observe something for it to be true? We have observed every single stage of evolution including speciation. And yet, I have heard it stated, "a lizard is still a lizard." Which again shows you don't understand what you're talking about. If a dog ever gave birth to cat it would prove evolution to be false. Parents NEVER EVER gave birth to a child they didn't recognize. Evolution is gradual. Even Punctuated Evolution is still so gradual as to fit into these conditions.

The Theory of Evolution is the single most supported scientific explanation of anything in any field of scientific endeavor and here it is being debated in light of religious texts as if that matters. If there's a problem here it's with your understanding and your insistence upon literalism. If, as creationists insist, God created the universe, then who is closer to God? The scientist studying God's work first hand or the creationist who has read a book that was inspired by God and then written down and translated time and time again? Considering the book has two chapters about the creation of the world and those two chapters are different... I'd say the scientist.

I know this won't change anyone's mind. But in this time of Trump it needed to be said. Again.

I do believe a species can change. It even says man will be transformed into a new being in the Bible, which includes immortality
Our Final Victory 1 Corinthians 15:50-58
Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption. Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed— in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: “Death is swallowed up in victory.”
“O Death, where is your sting?
O Hades, where is your victory?”
The sting of death is sin, and the strength of sin is the law. But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
Therefore, my beloved brethren, be steadfast, immovable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, knowing that your labor is not in vain in the Lord.

1 John 3:2 Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is.

So God selects His children born from above (the Holy Spirit) and creates an incooruptible man after the image of Christ and not after the fallen Adam, whose image we now bear along with the world which is caught up in sinfulness
John 17:20

 

[HitchSlap]

That's more than I can say for what you presented.

Well, when faced with the inescapable fact of ToE, there'e really not much you can say. My acceptance of the fact of evolution is not based on blind, unquestioning dogma.

 

[SeventyOne]

Right, this is known as the Dunning-Kruger effect.

That's a nice little label, but the truth is (your truth even if you choose to deny it) the scriptures are the words given to us by God. There is no other written work where we've been told the Holy Spirit will demonstrate it's truth to those who are His.

When a person is born again, they actually have the Spirit dwelling within them and reading the scriptures becomes a completely new and different experience for that person. They start to see and understand what's going on at levels they never understood before, and they can tell what is true and what is not as it's revealed to them over time, assuming they remain open to correction. There's are levels of illumination and understanding available that others just don't see and reject when confronted with it.

So, when I see crap like the OP stating Genesis is different, or when I hear 'I believe in God and evolution, and have for years', I know it's a bunch of garbage. The problem is those involved in things like that don't know it. The Spirit leads people into truth, and if one remains comfortable in their lies for years, that's evidence there is no Spirit within them at work. So, when someone tells me 'Bible scholars' affirm some lie, they aren't scholars of the Bible at all. They might have a grasp of some history, names, and dates therein, but they don't actually know it intimately.

This doesn't apply to anything else. There is no other field or subject where one is required to be guided and indwelt by the Spirit in order to have any kind profitable understanding. This is just the reality you live in.

The only way you could ever hope to understand the scriptures is to accept His sacrifice in your place and to be forgiven of your sins and to have His Spirit dwell in you as well. As an atheist, you are missing so much. It's a completely different paradigm.

 

[Divide]

It always trips me out to see that atheists hanging out on the Christian boards, lol. Not sure if they just like to argue or if they doubt evo so want more info, or ???.

I know one thing. If there were really really, no God...then there wouldn't be atheists! Think about it! lol

 

[Kenny'sID]

My acceptance of the fact of evolution is not based on blind, unquestioning dogma.

I agree, it's based on much worse.

 

[PropheticTimes]

I don't know what's worse. The fact that creationists keep on with the same tired refrain they've been chiming for decades now or that new creationists continue to fall for it.

Either way, the ToE has not been debunked and is alive and well in the world of biology today.

Still not seeing those fossils

 

[HitchSlap]

That's a nice little label, but the truth is (your truth even if you choose to deny it) the scriptures are the words given to us by God. There is no other written work where we've been told the Holy Spirit will demonstrate it's truth to those who are His.

When a person is born again, they actually have the Spirit dwelling within them and reading the scriptures becomes a completely new and different experience for that person. They start to see and understand what's going on at levels they never understood before, and they can tell what is true and what is not as it's revealed to them over time, assuming they remain open to correction. There's are levels of illumination and understanding available that others just don't see and reject when confronted with it.

So, when I see crap like the OP stating Genesis is different, or when I hear 'I believe in God and evolution, and have for years', I know it's a bunch of garbage. The problem is those involved in things like that don't know it. The Spirit leads people into truth, and if one remains comfortable in their lies for years, that's evidence there is no Spirit within them at work. So, when someone tells me 'Bible scholars' affirm some lie, they aren't scholars of the Bible at all. They might have a grasp of some history, names, and dates therein, but they don't actually know it intimately.

This doesn't apply to anything else. There is no other field or subject where one is required to be guided and indwelt by the Spirit in order to have any kind profitable understanding. This is just the reality you live in.

The only way you could ever hope to understand the scriptures is to accept His sacrifice in your place and to be forgiven of your sins and to have His Spirit dwell in you as well. As an atheist, you are missing so much. It's a completely different paradigm.

Hey, believe what you need to, you really don't need to convince me of this.