"Life and its building blocks are way too complicated to have evolved." [moved]

[USincognito]

Sure, if you want to use corrupt old earth age time clocks.

^^^ More making stuff up.

 

[USincognito]

Why do we not see buffalo and penguins fossilized together?

According to your cockamamie Flood proposal we should.

 

[USincognito]

No! They did not "evolve" from something less (they would have . All these things would have had to came into existence Simultaneously...now RE-Read what I wrote because if one could not ask such a question based on what I had written unless one of two things is the case

a) one is trying to cause an unnecessary dialogue where none is merited, OR
b) the mind of the one commenting is incapable of processing the logic (most likely indoctrinated as opposed to educated)

In your case I think it is a)....here it is in a nutshell

No cell (with its various subsystems, enzymes, t-RNA, m-RNA, etc., all in place) then there is no functional DNA...while at the same time, no functional DNA there can be no cell because it codes for all the proteins the cell is made of....

Analogically speaking, the question is NOT chicken OR egg, the facts we ACTUALLY have dictate chicken and egg originally became at the same time...not one before the other...the Eukaryotic Cell (as an environment) could not have developed without the DNA in place, and the DNA does not exist outside of the environment of the cell...so do you get the point now?

Eggs predate chickens by hundreds of millions of years.

 

[doubtingmerle]

After how many tries?

one.

Samples are sent to labs for analysis of the age of the formation. The results come back using different methods, and on the first time, they closely match each other. Do you have an explanation for why this happens?

 

[doubtingmerle]

It's so easy to argue when you can just make stuff up.

Ah, that's the secret of winning. Why didn't we think of that?

 

[-57]

I have shown you a brief outline of how the motor protein evolved, using only known scientific processes.

Now please show me your outline of how the first motor protein came into existence so we can compare your explanation with mine.

The first motor protein was designed by God.

 

[SteveB28]

Actually no, I wasn't wrong, read the post that asks "who said it stopped". If you didn't catch on to what that meant, it implies it has not stopped just like I sad would happen, and that means....well I think you get the point.

But no matter, lets get to the fun stuff...are you actually telling me you have proof of evolution? If so, by all means, cure my ignorance...lets not waste time with me having to look for it, post it so I'm clear on exactly what you are claiming is proof, and tell us how it proves evolution.

Do an Internet search for "examples of speciation". Then do another for "endogenous retroviruses and common ancestry".

All of your ignorance will be cured.

 

[-57]

Do an Internet search for "examples of speciation". Then do another for "endogenous retroviruses and common ancestry".

All of your ignorance will be cured.

Creationist have no problem with speciation.

 

[SteveB28]

Creationist have no problem with speciation.

How very kind of them!

Evolution has no problem with creationists either......no problem at all.

 

[bhsmte]

The single biggest cop out you have ever given. And completely childish too.

I guess Everest, just sort of popped up. Must have been Miracle Grow.

 

[-57]

I guess Everest, just sort of popped up. Must have been Miracle Grow.

That Flood accomplished abundant geologic work. Eroding sediments here, redepositing them there, pushing up continents, elevating plateaus, denuding terrains, etc., so that the earth today is quite different from before. Today even mountain ranges rise high above the sea.

Mt. Everest and the Himalayan range, along with the Alps, the Rockies, the Appalachians, the Andes, and most of the world's other mountains are composed of ocean-bottom sediments, full of marine fossils laid down by the Flood. Mt. Everest itself has clam fossils at its summit. These rock layers cover an extensive area, including much of Asia. They give every indication of resulting from cataclysmic water processes. These are the kinds of deposits we would expect to result from the worldwide, world-destroying Flood of Noah's day.

At the end of the Flood, after thick sequences of sediments had accumulated, the Indian subcontinent evidently collided with Asia, crumpling the sediments into mountains. Today they stand as giants—folded and fractured layers of ocean-bottom sediments at high elevations. No, Noah's Flood didn't cover the Himalayas, it formed them!

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[bhsmte]

That Flood accomplished abundant geologic work. Eroding sediments here, redepositing them there, pushing up continents, elevating plateaus, denuding terrains, etc., so that the earth today is quite different from before. Today even mountain ranges rise high above the sea.

Mt. Everest and the Himalayan range, along with the Alps, the Rockies, the Appalachians, the Andes, and most of the world's other mountains are composed of ocean-bottom sediments, full of marine fossils laid down by the Flood. Mt. Everest itself has clam fossils at its summit. These rock layers cover an extensive area, including much of Asia. They give every indication of resulting from cataclysmic water processes. These are the kinds of deposits we would expect to result from the worldwide, world-destroying Flood of Noah's day.

At the end of the Flood, after thick sequences of sediments had accumulated, the Indian subcontinent evidently collided with Asia, crumpling the sediments into mountains. Today they stand as giants—folded and fractured layers of ocean-bottom sediments at high elevations. No, Noah's Flood didn't cover the Himalayas, it formed them!

ref

Cool story.

 

[AV1611VET]

one.

Samples are sent to labs for analysis of the age of the formation. The results come back using different methods, and on the first time, they closely match each other. Do you have an explanation for why this happens?

Ya ... I don't believe it.

Probably when a rock is sent for analysis, they want to know where it was found, what layer it was found in, when it was found, who found it, what date(s) are they looking for, and a host of other questions.

Then they set to work to get them the information they are paying to find.

Just my theory.

 

[bhsmte]

Ya ... I don't believe it.

Probably when a rock is sent for analysis, they want to know where it was found, what layer it was found in, when it was found, who found it, what answer are they looking for, and a host of other questions.

Then they set to work to get them the information they are paying to find.

Just my theory.

Theories are typically supported with evidence.

This is more like, your opinion.

 

[AV1611VET]

Theories are typically supported with evidence.

This is more like, your opinion.

Fair enough.

Just my opinion then.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

That Flood accomplished abundant geologic work. Eroding sediments here, redepositing them there, pushing up continents, elevating plateaus, denuding terrains, etc., so that the earth today is quite different from before. Today even mountain ranges rise high above the sea.

Mt. Everest and the Himalayan range, along with the Alps, the Rockies, the Appalachians, the Andes, and most of the world's other mountains are composed of ocean-bottom sediments, full of marine fossils laid down by the Flood. Mt. Everest itself has clam fossils at its summit. These rock layers cover an extensive area, including much of Asia. They give every indication of resulting from cataclysmic water processes. These are the kinds of deposits we would expect to result from the worldwide, world-destroying Flood of Noah's day.

At the end of the Flood, after thick sequences of sediments had accumulated, the Indian subcontinent evidently collided with Asia, crumpling the sediments into mountains. Today they stand as giants—folded and fractured layers of ocean-bottom sediments at high elevations. No, Noah's Flood didn't cover the Himalayas, it formed them!

ref

Nice story. Shame none of it happened like that.

 

[afishamongmany]

That's because I didn't see a question.

You asked us to show how the first motor protein evolved. Molecular evolution is a complex subject. If you are really interested in how it happens, you can look it up.

But I can give you a quick overview. Random mutations change the DNA. Some of these mutations are helpful or at least neutral, and thus spread throughout the gene pool. Some changes require only a single favorable mutation. Other changes use a series of random mutations that occur in different individuals. Sex brings the various mutations together in new combinations, with the favorable ones tending to win out. Eventually new traits occur, which are the combination of different mutations in different individuals which have been combined to form a new feature.

Hello doubtingmerle and the rest of you guys,
I hesitate to jump in here, you all seem to be having such a good time and I don't want to get in the way. But I'm really interested to know what, if any, detailed mathematical modeling has been done on any part of a hypothesised evolutionary sequence?
For example, setting aside, how did chemicals become life, if we start with a single cell 'creature'. Then the experts work out in sequential detail what and how many changes there has to be to for this single cell to become say a fish. Nothing fancy just a sort of ordinary fish creature. As well as mapping out the sequential changes they (I'm expecting) could tell us what changes in the initial DNA and onward caused each of the evolutionary steps. Now as as best as I understand it the changes to DNA are sort of random so a most important part of this modeling is trying to estimate (I don't know if statistical probabilities are considered science around here?) the time needed for all the necessary randomly occurring mutations to occur.
In theory, with super computers and a few thousand evolutionary biologists on the job we should even be able to end up modeling all the way through to this fish.
Seriously, I know all about there having been billions and zillions of years but what detailed modeling has been done giving a detailed estimated time line for a specific evolutionary sequence?
Thanking you for any information you may have on this matter.
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[-57]

Ya ... I don't believe it.

Probably when a rock is sent for analysis, they want to know where it was found, what layer it was found in, when it was found, who found it, what date(s) are they looking for, and a host of other questions.

Then they set to work to get them the information they are paying to find.

Just my theory.

From what I understand it's more than a theory.

 

[bhsmte]

From what I understand it's more than a theory.

Explain, what "more than a theory" means.

 

[-57]

Explain, what "more than a theory" means.

It means he was right.