"Life and its building blocks are way too complicated to have evolved." [moved]

[doubtingmerle]

It's quite clear according to the account presented in Genesis God didn't use evolutionism.

Oh my goodness! Are you serious? You aren't going to tell us how you think the first motor protein came into existence? You are just going to attack the only view on the table without presenting a view of your own?

If you refuse to come out of your corner, and tell us your alternative view of how the first motor protein came into existence, then it seems my view wins by default.

 

[-57]

You want proof ,you say. Oh dear. This isn't mathematics. Biologists deal with evidence, not formal proofs.

We are quite certain it came about through the process I had described, where there were mutations, natural selection, and new combinations that led to this new feature.

Your posting as if motor proteins have sex and reproduce.

 

[-57]

Oh my goodness! Are you serious? You aren't going to tell us how you think the first motor protein came into existence? You are just going to attack the only view on the table without presenting a view of your own?

If you refuse to come out of your corner, and tell us your alternative view of how the first motor protein came into existence, then it seems my view wins by default.

How many times do I need to tell you...God created the first motor protein.
It's to complicated to have evolved via a random process.

 

[AV1611VET]

An apetheist is simply someone who believes we evolved from ape-like creatures. From what I read that group would include you.

Don't forget: they also say Jesus was an ape.

 

[AV1611VET]

No, 'apetheist' is an infantile and derogatory term you created to try and slander those who accept the theory of evolution instead of the demonstrably incorrect Young Earth Creation doctrine.
I really have to question your intellectual maturity from things like this.

I don't see anything wrong with it.

 

[AV1611VET]

Uh, no who would send a rock to a lab saying he wants it to date to a certain age, and then pay the lab money to give him the answer he wants?

Because something that comes with scientific accreditation will go a long way.

That's why, as I said before, the Maharishi tried to get scientific accreditation for his Transcendental Meditation.

He failed, but the American Psychiatric Association eventually got scientific backing for their garbage.

And I believe chiropractic medicine did as well -- (I might be wrong on that one).

 

[doubtingmerle]

It took hundreds of millions of years for plants to evolve but that branch didn't lead to us...How does Sagan know that?

How do we know that we didn't evolve from a wheat plant? Oh dear, are you seriously asking this question?

 

[doubtingmerle]

How many times do I need to tell you...God created the first motor protein.
It's to complicated to have evolved via a random process.

How many times must I ask you, how? If not by evolution, how? Was the first one created out of nothing by a miracle? You refuse to answer.

Ok. I win. Thread over. It came about by evolution. That is the only process proposed. You refuse to propose an alternative.

 

[doubtingmerle]

Now, I've personally never had a rock dated...but from corresponding to people who have....they kinda want to know a little bit about the rock. If the date is off....well, we all know there was some sort of error. Perhaps contamination. Yes?

]That's not how science works.

What do you think happens when someone gets a blood test? Do they keep sending it back and saying this number is no good, the patient is fat, you need to change it to say high cholesterol? No, no, no. That is not how science works.

Same thing when someone tests the date of a rock. It has noting to do with manipulating numbers until you get the number you want.

 

[doubtingmerle]

Just for the record....I'm still waiting for a proper response to post 3.
You called me out...you started the thread...I RESPONDED.... and you still have failed to show how the motor protein evolved through the process of evolutionism.

Then again I do admire your great faith in assuming it did....Considering assumption is all you have.

I gave my answer: through mutation and natural selection. Would you like me to repeat that a hundred times more for your benefit?

You, however, refuse to tell us how you think it came about. Do you think it was miraculously created out of nothing? You refuse to answer.

 

[USincognito]

It took hundreds of millions of years for plants to evolve but that branch didn't lead to us...How does Sagan know that?

You should try reading a book sometimes. Or, perhaps, just that first link I provided.

 

[Armoured]

It took hundreds of millions of years for plants to evolve but that branch didn't lead to us...How does Sagan know that?

The lack of chloroplasts in our cells is a give away.

 

[Armoured]

Your posting as if motor proteins have sex and reproduce.

They do reproduce. That's what cells are. Reproducers of biologically active structures.

 

[USincognito]

It's quite clear according to the account presented in Genesis God didn't use evolutionism. After all, creating woman from mans rib isn't evolutionism...or would you like to argue that it was????

Since "evolutionism" is a figment of your imagination, of course God didn't use it.

 

[USincognito]

If only -57 were more than a You Tube scholar.

Patterns of kinesin evolution reveal a complex ancestral eukaryote with a multifunctional cytoskeleton
https://bmcevolbiol.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1471-2148-10-110

The kinesin types present in the LCEA provide molecular evidence for some of the cellular processes present in the proto-eukaryote. The LCEA had nuclear division machinery that included antagonistic motors to generate tension and kinetochore-associated microtubule depolymerizing agents. It also trafficked vesicles along cytoplasmic microtubules and built an axoneme with a central apparatus (and which, on the basis of dynein distribution, was motile [9]). The data presented here also show that, although there have been significant gene duplication events within the kinesin families (for example deep within the metazoa and also the land plants), the history of kinesins is in many cases a history of paralog loss from an ancestral form which possessed a motor repertoire more complex than many extant organisms.​

 

[USincognito]

Oh look!
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK26888/

The Structural Similarity of Myosin and Kinesin Indicates a Common Evolutionary Origin​

 

[FreeinChrist]

MOD HAT

The flaming needs to stop now - and that means no name-calling. ​

 

[Kenny'sID]

I think it is simply wonderful and very telling that these "debates" seem to be confined to internet forums and are no longer treated with any seriousness in scientific circles.

It took a long time for the church to accept that the Sun does not revolve around the Earth. It's probably going to take just as long for some members of the church to accept evolution.

Keep trying guys, you'll get there eventually

Seems to be? You wouldn't happen to be just making that up would you?

Either way, most would have enough sense to realize, once a debate has run it's course, it'll die out. Christians take your beliefs on evolution no more seriously than you do creation. And to indicate debates are dying out, if that is even the case, solely due to scientist not taking them seriously is just a one sided lie, something you made up on the spot, and just what I'd expect from someone that would push a lie so ridiculous as evolution.

Yep, the universe and all that is in it just came to be all by itself over a period of millions of years. Nothing....nothing.... more nothing, then all the sudden!... something! What a strike of luck for mankind! Luck that nothing somehow turned itself into things so complicated, we still don't understand a lot of it. And not only that, but nothing, a bunch of chemicals or whatever they are calling it now days, cannot be easily recreated? I mean if it happened by chance, seems to me it would have to be simple and easily recreated, but, that's a common sense expectation... something not allowed in the equation.

But alas, you can't see the proof that happened or how because it happened so long ago no one was there to witness it, so you should just believe it, everyone else does. Also it's just not reasonable for others to expect proof due to the circumstances. Do y'all really buy that nonsense?

Then in your desperation to help us "get there", you bring up some picture of animals that are situated in such a way it somehow proves all that was locked away in time is real? and all because the same so called intelligent scientists that believe it all just happened, says so? Yeah, I'll put my faith in that guy! And what's even worse, the masses bite...hook line and sinker, and pretty much without question....amazing. I'd guess 95% or better of the people that buy evolution/all from nothing, never come out of the stage of, "Well, they say it happened and they say they have more evidence every day proving it so I believe it" and all because it gets rid of that annoying, looming Hell and the God that made it so. And then you people have the nerve to say "it's accepted by so many, what's your problem?" Seriously, is "the sheep accept it", supposed to mean something to us?

And scientists don't take *US* seriously? LM*O! you people are an absolute riot.

 

[loveofourlord]

That Flood accomplished abundant geologic work. Eroding sediments here, redepositing them there, pushing up continents, elevating plateaus, denuding terrains, etc., so that the earth today is quite different from before. Today even mountain ranges rise high above the sea.

Mt. Everest and the Himalayan range, along with the Alps, the Rockies, the Appalachians, the Andes, and most of the world's other mountains are composed of ocean-bottom sediments, full of marine fossils laid down by the Flood. Mt. Everest itself has clam fossils at its summit. These rock layers cover an extensive area, including much of Asia. They give every indication of resulting from cataclysmic water processes. These are the kinds of deposits we would expect to result from the worldwide, world-destroying Flood of Noah's day.

At the end of the Flood, after thick sequences of sediments had accumulated, the Indian subcontinent evidently collided with Asia, crumpling the sediments into mountains. Today they stand as giants—folded and fractured layers of ocean-bottom sediments at high elevations. No, Noah's Flood didn't cover the Himalayas, it formed them!

ref

Except there are no fish or clams or anything found ontop of mountains, just fossils, wich are rocks with the shape of things in them, name a process that can create solid stone with the imprints of clams and such in them in under a year?

Oh and thats ignoring that the amount of techtonic things your talking about would produce a ton of heat and cause massive problems. There is no possible way for your funny story to happen,.

 

[Hieronymus]

Except there are no fish or clams or anything found ontop of mountains, just fossils, wich are rocks with the shape of things in them, name a process that can create solid stone with the imprints of clams and such in them in under a year?

Cataclysmic floods can do that.