Lies about the Sabbath.

[Lollerskates]

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[Lollerskates]

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[VictorC]

The Ten Commandments aren't part of the New Covenant.

The verb 'aren't' denotes a plural group rather than a singular entity - which is what the Ten Commandments was. You could have been clearer had you stated the Ten Commandments isn't a part of the new covenant. I know, I shouldn't be so picky...

 

[from scratch]

It is easy to disprove me. Just show me where God or Christ did away with any part of the law. Not man. Not a council. Not a pope. Christ or God.

We would once again be delighted to do so except it would only be thrown out and trampled like the trash. Frankly I'm very tired of the Bible being treated in such a manner.

 

[Cribstyl]

Who changed it: man or God. When did Christ ever say any of the law was done away with?

I'll wait.

If we're talking about covenants; God changed it.
Are you saying that the blood of Jesus is not the seal of the new covenant?

 

[LarryP2]

You are very accusatory, telling me I am a faith I am not.

You still haven't shown me where Christ or God changed the law. Just deflection, assumptions and insults.

What a dishonest statement! The law was never "changed!" It was specifically given ONLY to the Israelites delivered from Egyptian bondage. And only them. Gentiles were ALWAYS under the Noahide Commandments. Your prophet flat out lied to you about the existence of the Noahide Commandments that was the law of the Gentiles.

The Mosaic law had no more to do with Gentiles than Bolivia's traffic laws do to us. So you have four assignments that you are clearly dodging, and are willfully avoiding answering:

1). One mention in the Bible of a Gentile keeping the Sabbath
2). One time in the New Testament where Sabbath keeping is required of Christians
3). Your admission that you outright reject orthodox christianity's prohibition of Sabbath Keeping in the Body of Christ, and Christainity's consequent declaration that Sabbath Keeping is an anti-Christian heresy demanding immediate excommunication.
4). Admit that you have been dodging questions about the Noahide Commandments that were specifically the Law that was enforced against Gentiles under the Mosaic Law system.

 

[from scratch]

Who said that?

The NC has a contractral stipulation that said the Law would be written on hearts, so that we delight in following it. What is that law?

And, did God or Christ change the law? Or, did man?

There isn't 1 single shred of evidence to be found in Holy Writ (Bible) to support your idea.

 

[from scratch]

The verb 'aren't' denotes a plural group rather than a singular entity - which is what the Ten Commandments was. You could have been clearer had you stated the Ten Commandments isn't a part of the new covenant. I know, I shouldn't be so picky...

Forgive me. The rules of English caught me. While the Ten Commandments are a single unity they're also a plural in that there are 10 of them on the stone. As a unit they're not part of the New Covenant/Testament. Part of them are in fact part of the New Covenant in that sin was always sin (murder, theft, lying, adultery, etc.). The 4th however doesn't fit this category. The only aspect of the 7th day Sabbath in the New Testament is historical fact.

 

[Cribstyl]

Laws are within all God's covenants. Covenants are the terms of righteousness that God establishes not men.

Gal 3:19 explain when the law came and that it would serve until



Why, then, was the law given? It was given alongside the promise to show people their sins.
But the law was designed to last only until the coming of the child who was promised.
God gave his law through angels to Moses, who was the mediator between God and the people.

 

[LarryP2]

Because it is one of 10 commandments.

Because it was given to the Israelites to distinguish them from all of the Nations around them? It says right in it that is the purpose of the Sabbath. Can you read?

"Israelites delivered from Egyptian Bondage."

That would not be me or you.

 

[VictorC]

Forgive me. The rules of English caught me. While the Ten Commandments are a single unity they're also a plural in that there are 10 of them on the stone. As a unit they're not part of the New Covenant/Testament. Part of them are in fact part of the New Covenant in that sin was always sin (murder, theft, lying, adultery, etc.). The 4th however doesn't fit this category. The only aspect of the 7th day Sabbath in the New Testament is historical fact.

All right.
Just one other point I should make: Whenever someone quotes or refers to Exodus 20, remember that this is the oral declaration of the covenant from Mount Sinai. The minor differences between this account and Deuteronomy 5 suggests that Moses is reciting what was written onto the tablets of stone. The minor difference concerns the Sabbath, and the rendition of Deuteronomy 5:15 should be compared with Exodus 20:11. You can see that in each case a previous historical event is drawn on as the reason to ordain the Sabbath. This is never acknowledged by Adventists.

 

[Lollerskates]

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[Lollerskates]

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[Cribstyl]

Except Christ, and god.

And I see you have no scripture. You know the verses I have quoted and paraphrased. The NC contract is with Israel. Since the common thought is the law is for Israel, what do you think you need to do t qualify? Re read the NC in Jeremiah and per Christ.

In your dialog with me, you have not presented scriptures to prove your resolve. Asking for proof of change does not mean that Christian are under the law. Saying that God does not change, does not mean that God does not change how He deals with man.

 

[LarryP2]

I'm done.

This is an orthodox christian section of a Christian website and if you reject the clear orthodox christian teaching on the Sabbath, you probably should not be posting here. The orthodox christian teaching on Sabbath Keeping could not be any clearer: It is a rank heresy that for many thousands of years was vigorously-excommunicated from the Body Of Christ.

It has no place in Christianity.

 

[Cribstyl]

Hate to see you run off, but your questions have built-in denials of doctrines taught by Paul to the Church of Jesus Christ.

I posted scriptures revealing that the law was given at Sanai. It was to serve until the comming of the promised child.

 

[LarryP2]

I'm done.

Let's reiterate what has happened here this morning:

First, Lollerskates dishonestly and viciously-flamed Christians with the ugly and dishonest Seventh Day Adventist filth that Christianity's opposition to the Mosaic Law is based on Christians' pent up desire to lie and steal (instead of Christians merely being obedient to Colossians 2:13-18, and being taught that it means what it says and saying what it means.) Lollerskates quickly backed off of that bald-faced lie when he was confronted with the charge that SDA's founding prophet was a daily full-time liar and thief for at least 50 years and was subconsciously projecting her own criminal propensities onto Christianity;

Second, Lollerskates refused to acknowledge the existence of the Noahide Commandments (that prohibit lying, stealing and murder etc. etc.) that were given to Noah and all Gentiles over 400 years before the Mosaic Law was given to the Israelites, and remained in effect for Gentiles residing within Israelite territory, before, during and after the time of Christ. Additionally, insofar that Gentile Christian converts needed daily guides for living around Jewish Christian Converts; in Acts 15 the Council of Jerusalem ruled that Gentile converts were only required to follow 4 of the Noahide Mitzvot. When it was pointed out that Ellen White deliberately withheld the existence of these Noahide Commandments from SDA membership, Lollerskates did not provide a rebuttal, or even challenge that fact.

Finally, Lollerskates refused to honestly and publicly admit his blatant opposition to orthodox christianity's long-standing, never-repealed doctrine that Sabbath Keeping is a rank Satanic heresy that should be vigorously expelled from the Body of Christ. The Early Christians were well-aware that Sabbath Keeping is inconsistent with the Gospel and the New Covenant, and that theme is repeated almost excessively by the First and Second Century Church Fathers. It was pointed out to him that only ONE branch of Christianity, Seventh Day Baptists, have successfully managed to "walk the tightrope" between Christianity and Sabbath Keeping, and still stay orthodox Christian. Yet he curiously never admitted to being a Seventh Day Baptist.

To have admitted the obvious truth would have disqualified him from posting in an orthodox portion of this website. He denied being a Seventh Day Adventist, or knowing who Ellen White is. Yet he did not say what Sabbatarian denomination he belonged to, even in the face of repeated assertions that he was obviously a Seventh Day Adventist.

These dishonest smears of Christainity, facially-incredible denials; persistent question dodging; and outright misrepresentations are all well-honed, 150 year-old tactics straight out of the Seventh Day Adventist playbook

 

[from scratch]

All right.
Just one other point I should make: Whenever someone quotes or refers to Exodus 20, remember that this is the oral declaration of the covenant from Mount Sinai. The minor differences between this account and Deuteronomy 5 suggests that Moses is reciting what was written onto the tablets of stone. The minor difference concerns the Sabbath, and the rendition of Deuteronomy 5:15 should be compared with Exodus 20:11. You can see that in each case a previous historical event is drawn on as the reason to ordain the Sabbath. This is never acknowledged by Adventists.

 

[from scratch]

Except Christ, and god.

And I see you have no scripture. You know the verses I have quoted and paraphrased. The NC contract is with Israel. Since the common thought is the law is for Israel, what do you think you need to do t qualify? Re read the NC in Jeremiah and per Christ.

While Acts includes Gentiles in the covenant. Read it for yourself. Romans also shows the New Covenant includes the Gentiles. Several of the New Testament books are addressed specifically to the saints.

Galatians really puts you in a bad spot because there aren't any Jews in Christ Jesus (3:28).

 

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I'm done.

Give us a friendly when you say that. Come back soon.