Liberating Motherhood

[SolomonVII]

FWIW I know Solomon didn't say don't wear pants or makeup but I love pants hate makeup cuz I am lazy about makeup and really don't know what I'm doing with the stuff. I tried to wear it for awhile because I wanted to cover my freckles and blemishes and to be pretty enough for my dad to be proud of me and want to hug me without me prompting but at the end of the day.....
I was too lazy to be "pretty enough"

It is worth a lot to me.
Thank you for noticing that I wasn't saying any of the things that people are accusing me of saying.

 

[Blackwater Babe]

i dont want to state anything other than the fact that before women entered the labor market- a man could buy a home and support a family washing dishes

now that women are 51% of the labor market- wages were driven down, unemployment up, and two starting incomes can barely get you an apartment in the ghetto

if a man and a woman washing dishes today can't provide the same homelife that a man washing dishes could provide 50 years ago, then your thesis that this is solely because of women entering the labour market would seem to be flawed.

(Do women make up 51% of the labour market? That seems... unlikely...)

 

[CruciFixed]

It is worth a lot to me.
Thank you for noticing that I wasn't saying any of the things that people are accusing me of saying.

I guess it just takes actually reading what someone said. From what I gathered you never said don't wear makeup and put on a skirt. I just don't ever wear makeup but then I never wear skirts either. My husband hates dresses and I'm too lazy for makeup.

 

[SolomonVII]

What's a Gride?

Bride sorry, it has been changed.

 

[SolomonVII]

Alright, if you think you know more about it than I do, why don't you explain it to me?

Really, I know little about feminism in America. I can give you lectures about Dolle Mina and Provo all you want, though.

I guess what I am really saying is that I think that you are a non-serious poster for the most part. I have no idea which part of my post you are referring to, and frankly, I can't be bother spending time and effort to dredge that up.
My experiences with trying to engage you in serious conversations here have frankly not been fruitful, and I am just not in the mood for talking like a pirate and acting all goofy right now.

 

[Antigone]

I guess what I am really saying is that I think that you are a non-serious poster for the most part. I have no idea which part of my post you are referring to, and frankly, I can't be bother spending time and effort to dredge that up.
My experiences with trying to engage you in serious conversations here have frankly not been fruitful, and I am just not in the mood for talking like a pirate and acting all goofy right now.

Funny you should say that, I get the impression that whenever I am trying to be serious you just brush me off. I even quoted the part of your post that I was talking about. So please, indulge me.

 

[SolomonVII]

It's when you get married to a Gremlin.

Gremlins are actually social conservatives.



I remember telling you I wanted to name my rabbit Knin. I think you were the only one who got that joke.

Funny you should say that, I get the impression that whenever I am trying to be serious you just brush me off. I even quoted the part of your post that I was talking about. So please, indulge me.

 

[CruciFixed]

This has been fun. I think I am going to leave because I know I am not a serious poster either. I am a "fart-joke" poster. And I can't gain much of anything from this thread because I forgot what it was about lol.

 

[Gwendolyn]

i dont want to state anything other than the fact that before women entered the labor market- a man could buy a home and support a family washing dishes

now that women are 51% of the labor market- wages were driven down, unemployment up, and two starting incomes can barely get you an apartment in the ghetto

BA, women holding jobs is not the reason that the cost of living is so expensive. You can thank inflation, economic downturns, and further industrialisation/globalisation for that.

 

[SolomonVII]

"... an old joke about Calvin Coolidge when he was President... The President and Mrs. Coolidge were being shown [separately] around an experimental government farm. When [Mrs. Coolidge] came to the chicken yard she noticed that a rooster was mating very frequently. She asked the attendant how often that happened and was told, “Dozens of times each day.” Mrs. Coolidge said, “Tell that to the President when he comes by.” Upon being told, President asked, “Same hen every time?” The reply was, “Oh, no, Mr. President, a different hen every time.” President: “Tell that to Mrs. Coolidge.”[3]

 

[SolomonVII]

"... an old joke about Calvin Coolidge when he was President... The President and Mrs. Coolidge were being shown [separately] around an experimental government farm. When [Mrs. Coolidge] came to the chicken yard she noticed that a rooster was mating very frequently. She asked the attendant how often that happened and was told, “Dozens of times each day.” Mrs. Coolidge said, “Tell that to the President when he comes by.” Upon being told, President asked, “Same hen every time?” The reply was, “Oh, no, Mr. President, a different hen every time.” President: “Tell that to Mrs. Coolidge.”[3]

and when Mrs Coolige realizes how she is Calvin Coolige willingly choose to wear that ball and chain, the proper response from her would be to thank him for his fidelity, to appreciate and admire the man that places the need sof his family over and above his own nature.

 

[Meepy]

i dont want to state anything other than the fact that before women entered the labor market- a man could buy a home and support a family washing dishes

now that women are 51% of the labor market- wages were driven down, unemployment up, and two starting incomes can barely get you an apartment in the ghetto

this is partly true. Although women will not want to hear it. The higher flooding of the job market created less demand, which lowered wages, and made it where companies could shirk their payments because they had such an application reserve.

Whereas if more women were homemakers, companies couldn't be so selective anymore. I can understand the women who have to work because of money, but the ones that work because they are Mrs. independent businesswoman and use it to make a statement really hurt the job market, especially for the men with families with wives as homemakers who really need the job.

It just is wrong that some job space is filled by a woman who has a husband who makes a decent wage, but wants the job anyway to be Mrs. progressive, and then a man who has a family who really needs the job is shirked to the side by women like this who are filling spaces they don't really need. The male family worker needs to be put in priority situation and given a family wage, otherwise families will suffer.

 

[Blackwater Babe]

this is partly true. Although women will not want to hear it. The higher flooding of the job market created less demand, which lowered wages, and made it where companies could shirk their payments because they had such an application reserve.

Whereas if more women were homemakers, companies couldn't be so selective anymore. I can understand the women who have to work because of money, but the ones that work because they are Mrs. independent businesswoman and use it to make a statement really hurt the job market, especially for the men with families with wives as homemakers who really need to job.

It just is wrong that some job space is filled by a woman who has a husband who makes a decent wage, but wants the job anyway to be Mrs. progressive, and then a man who has a family who really needs the job is shirked to the side by women like this who are filling spaces they don't really need. The male family worker needs to be put in priority situation and given a family wage, otherwise families will suffer.

I'm going to disregard your post. Why? Because if you were motivated by genuine concern over the job market and ensuring adequate income for families, you would be positing that each family should have one bread winner, and the other should stay home performing home duties. The fact that you insist it is the male who has to go out to work, and the woman who should stay home, makes me fairly confident that you're posting because of a subjective agenda, not because of an objective concern.

 

[Meepy]

I'm going to disregard your post. Why? Because if you were motivated by genuine concern over the job market and ensuring adequate income for families, you would be positing that each family should have one bread winner, and the other should stay home performing home duties. The fact that you insist it is the male who has to go out to work, and the woman who should stay home, makes me fairly confident that you're posting because of a subjective agenda, not because of an objective concern.

well, there obviously is gonna be more women who want to stay home with their children considering the maternal elements of motherhood and natural law. Naturally it is best for a mother to stay with her children as much as possible so they can grow up correctly. The ideal must be protected

 

[Fantine]

If we have 9% unemployment, then if women didn't work we would have a significant labor shortage.

I think that the principal reason for job loss (and wage erosion) in this country is not women working but globalization. Mrs. Jones isn't taking your factory job--it's moved to China or Mexico or Thailand. Mrs. Jones isn't taking your call center job or your IT consultant job--it's being performed in Mumbai.

The resultant wage erosion has made two-income households more necessary than ever.

I say that as someone who was a stay-at-home Mom for many years, although I have a career now.

I look at young moms and think "How in the world do you do what you do?" I am just in awe of them.

Of course, there's a different set of assumptions and a different division of labor, too. When I was a SAHM, my husband's job was "earn money." He did a good job of it. My job was "everything else..." Young fathers today could never get away with that.

 

[Blackwater Babe]

well, there obviously is gonna be more women who want to stay home with their children considering the maternal elements of motherhood and natural law. Naturally it is best for a mother to stay with her children as much as possible so they can grow up correctly. The ideal must be protected

Wow.

 

[Blackwater Babe]

If we have 9% unemployment, then if women didn't work we would have a significant labor shortage.

I think that the principal reason for job loss (and wage erosion) in this country is not women working but globalization. Mrs. Jones isn't taking your factory job--it's moved to China or Mexico or Thailand. Mrs. Jones isn't taking your call center job or your IT consultant job--it's being performed in Mumbai.

The resultant wage erosion has made two-income households more necessary than ever.

I say that as someone who was a stay-at-home Mom for many years, although I have a career now.

I look at young moms and think "How in the world do you do what you do?" I am just in awe of them.

Of course, there's a different set of assumptions and a different division of labor, too. When I was a SAHM, my husband's job was "earn money." He did a good job of it. My job was "everything else..." Young fathers today could never get away with that.

Nah. Couldn't be that. Easier just to blame feminism and women in general, and pretend that everything was better in some non existant imaginary '50s where everyone was just like the Cunninghams! Scape goat the outsiders and simplify so as to appeal to the lowest common denominator. Much easier than trying to understand complex issues like economy and globalism. So don't you worry your pretty little head about it, and go and make the men some nice cool lemonaide while they're having a grown up talk, 'k?

 

[Antigone]

Two conclusions can be drawn from this reply:

1) you either can't or won't talk your way out of the situation, even when kindly asked for clarification, which therefor either invalidates your self-proclaimed mastery of the subject or makes you simply obtuse in a very existentialist way that I always thought was unbecoming to anyone identifying as Catholic.
2) you no longer get to comment on any lack of seriousness in my posts.

 

[Antigone]

Nah. Couldn't be that. Easier just to blame feminism and women in general, and pretend that everything was better in some non existant imaginary '50s where everyone was just like the Cunninghams! Scape goat the outsiders and simplify so as to appeal to the lowest common denominator. Much easier than trying to understand complex issues like economy and globalism. So don't you worry your pretty little head about it, and go and make the men some nice cool lemonaide while they're having a grown up talk, 'k?

Great speech. Now put your apron back on and head back into the kitchen. Get crackin' on that supper, missy!

 

[Antigone]

well, there obviously is gonna be more women who want to stay home with their children considering the maternal elements of motherhood and natural law. Naturally it is best for a mother to stay with her children as much as possible so they can grow up correctly. The ideal must be protected

That's kind of insulting towards stay at home dads.

Not every woman has a natural drive to stay at home and take care of the children. Popular theory put aside, we don't really think with our uterus.