Liberating Motherhood

[Meepy]

Marriage is not enslavement of women. It is not a patriarchal institution that serves the interests of the man, but indeed it civilizes the nature of a man in order than he serve the interest of his woman and their family, and place those interests above the more pressing interests of his own penis.

Monogamy is not natural to men. His natural interest is to spread the seed far and wide. Feminists in the West resented this kind of freedom and resented that their destiny was tied to their biology. The Pill and abortion were the panaceas that 'freed' them to become like men, to open their wings and fly to the same heights of pleasure as the male of the species, without consequence or concern.

This was a grand experiment started in the 1970's. This is what we as Catholics really ought to reject.

Mary has always been the model for women to strive toward, humble, open to God, open to motherhood, not living for her own empowerment, but for God and her family—for the glory of the Man in her life even, through whom she herself becomes fulfilled.

This is who feminists of the West have rejected most of all.

I think many girls are finding, often too late, that there is no life less rewarding, less free, less pleasurable, less true to their own nature, than to live the kind of freedom that young men strive for. What may keep a Mick Jagger going well into his seventies is the antithesis of what any woman would normally strive for.

Motherhood is freedom.

I agree partly, accept with woman needing a man to be fully happy. A husband is a great component in a wifes life and is the role of a helpmeet towards him. However, marriage is considered secondary to virginity. As Paul says a married person is partly considered witht he needs of their spouse which can sometimes hinder attention to God.

I do agree with the pill and the rebelling against monogamy and anger towards men. I think that Sex and the City show is a great example of women trying to act like men out of an anger for them. Especially that older blond one that always messes around. She always thinks shes liberating herself with all the men she goes out with. I cannot stand her.

Virginity is considered the pinnacle ideal within Christendom. Of which marriage makes a close second.

 

[Antigone]

That's on tv, right? I don't have a tv, so...

SNL isn't on here either. Comedy Central used to air a 'best of' thingy but they quit since nobody actually thought it was funny.

Look up 'more cowbell'. That's all you need to know.

When I see a woman and have to look carefully to be sure that she's not a man, there's a problem.

Then you need glasses.

I'm wearing pants and I can guarantee you you wouldn't mistake me for a man.

Unless you're legally blind, in which case - why are we having this discussion, again?

I always thought Ruth Ginsburg was the head honcho. And Gloria Steinem is always in those rigid mens suits. Naomi Wolf is feminine though, and kinda sexy too, hehe.

Here's some quotes from these nutcases :

"The simple fact is that every woman must be willing to be identified as a lesbian to be fully feminist" (National NOW Times, January, 1988).

"Feminism is the theory, lesbianism is the practice." -- Ti-Grace Atkinson

"Since marriage constitutes slavery for women, it is clear that the women's movement must concentrate on attacking this institution. Freedom for women cannot be won without the abolition of marriage" (feminist leader Sheila Cronan).

That's your problem. Don't just assume that anyone who refuses to be a doormat with a vagina is automatically with the lesbian junta.

There is a middle road, you know.

This is a real woman! She never tried to make a cultural statement. But only said "Thy will be done"! and traveled on a donkey with her husband while pregnant with Jesus. Now there is true taste.

thy will, not my will.

Sadly, I predict that getting immaculately conceived by God Himself probably isn't on the agenda for most of us, so the point is sort of moot.

 

[Meepy]

There is a middle road, you know.



Sadly, I predict that getting immaculately conceived by God Himself probably isn't on the agenda for most of us, so the point is sort of moot.

Yea, but she still is a pinnacle of a womanly role model. You can't get any higher than Mary.


middle road is boring. Lukewarm = spit out da mouth

Especially when it regards moral issues. Like those middle ground abortion people "Oh I'm against abortion, but it's their choice and needs to be there just in case" type bull. Ugg, they are almost worse than the pro-abortion hardliners.

 

[Antigone]

Yea, but she still is a pinnacle of a womanly role model. You can't get any higher than Mary.


middle road is boring. Lukewarm = spit out da mouth.

This is my problem with a lot of American politics. There is no shame in taking the middle ground. Why does everything need to be either/or?

 

[Blackwater Babe]

That's your problem. Don't just assume that anyone who refuses to be a doormat with a vagina is automatically with the lesbian junta.

There is a middle road, you know.

Quite.

All ideologies and movements attract their extremists. Feminism has Germaine Greer, Christianity has Fred Phelps. The existance of extremists doesn't negate the accuracy or importance of the mainstream message of the ideology.

 

[Blackwater Babe]

This is my problem with a lot of American politics. There is no shame in taking the middle ground. Why does everything need to be either/or?

Its a hallmark of the American religious right. Either something is good, and then EVERYTHING about it is good, which is why you end up with oversimplified, over idealised myths about founding fathers, Lincoln and Regan, or something is bad, so EVERYTHING about it has to be bad, which is why the 3rd Reich begins and ends with the Holocaust to these people. Heaven forbid anyone attempt to discuss issues with any sort of nuance or understanding of complexities.

 

[Meepy]

This is my problem with a lot of American politics. There is no shame in taking the middle ground. Why does everything need to be either/or?

you know what happens when you keep one foot in the plane and the other foot in the dock.

 

[Antigone]

you know what happens when you keep one foot in the plane and the other foot in the dock.

This is politics and morality we're talking about, not physics.

Can you explain it without resorting to faulty metaphors?

 

[Blackwater Babe]

you know what happens when you keep one foot in the plane and the other foot in the dock.

And resorting to bumper sticker sized soundbites whenever possible. That's another big problem with American politics today.

 

[princess_ballet]

This is what I have been asking, but so far, no one has answered me. I'm not sure what to think.

Yeah, I noticed. Still no answer really.

Feminism has taught women well that they need a man as much as a fish needs a bicycle, and most young women have taken that lesson to heart. Many come out of their college years of hooking up feeling totally unfulfilled, and glad to be out of the scene; probably many more come out of those years totally sexless.

Not many look to Mary any more for anything —a vision or two in some exotic location, but that is about it.

And this you say, is ridiculous to muse about.

If you say so.
I am happily married, and my wife was never happier than when she was pregnant.


It is your life, not mine....
Enjoy

How exactly do you know how young women feel when they graduate college? Are you then suggesting that we shouldn't go to college -- just graduate high school and get married?

This is not an assault on marriage and family. I want both, believe me. But to say that is the only thing women are going to be happy doing is quite the stretch. Why do you insist on seeing us through such a narrow lens?

 

[Blackwater Babe]

Yeah, I noticed. Still no answer really.



How exactly do you know how young women feel when they graduate college? Are you then suggesting that we shouldn't go to college -- just graduate high school and get married?

This is not an assault on marriage and family. I want both, believe me. But to say that is the only thing women are going to be happy doing is quite the stretch. Why do you insist on seeing us through such a narrow lens?

Once again... avoid nuance where ever possible, and only deal in thoughts that can be expressed in space the size of a bumper sticker. Once one adopts these parametres, its easy to see where such beliefs come from.

 

[Rebekka]

First time I see Nabokov mentioned on CF.

 

[SolomonVII]

Yeah, I noticed. Still no answer really.



How exactly do you know how young women feel when they graduate college? Are you then suggesting that we shouldn't go to college -- just graduate high school and get married?

This is not an assault on marriage and family. I want both, believe me. But to say that is the only thing women are going to be happy doing is quite the stretch. Why do you insist on seeing us through such a narrow lens?

If you still think that I am against pants, jobs and maekup dear, then obviously college is not teaching you anything resembling literacy skills.
You are not only not responding to my posts, but the strawman that you are responding to bears absolutely no resemblance to my posts.

 

[SolomonVII]

I agree partly, accept with woman needing a man to be fully happy.

Thank you for agreeing, but please show me where I mentioned that a woman needs a man to be fully happy.
My positon is very nuanced actually, but that can only be revealed if people are willing to engage in what is being said.

 

[Antigone]

First time I see Nabokov mentioned on CF.

Nothing is more exhilarating than philistine vulgarity.

Just sayin'...

 

[Blackwater Babe]

First time I see Nabokov mentioned on CF.

Its nice to be original sometimes.

 

[Antigone]

Solomon, what I don't get is this:

Monogamy is not natural to men. His natural interest is to spread the seed far and wide. Feminists in the West resented this kind of freedom and resented that their destiny was tied to their biology. The Pill and abortion were the panaceas that 'freed' them to become like men, to open their wings and fly to the same heights of pleasure as the male of the species, without consequence or concern.

First of all, I think you're being a little harsh on your own sex. I think most men have learned to keep their caveman instincts to themselves most of the time.

Second of all - if this is purely a biological and instinctual matter, why would women want to become like men? We have no seed to spead, our cavewomen ancestors wouldn't benefit from this sort of behaviour at all. I don't think women have the instinct to screw around. I think sixties' feminism was about cultural changes, not instinctual ones.

 

[Blackwater Babe]

Just sayin'...

Want the link to what my sig is about?

 

[Antigone]

Want the link to what my sig is about?

Yes, please. Gimme. I love Nabokov.

 

[SolomonVII]

They aren't... no one is necessary for anyone's ultimate happiness aside from God.

It is one thing to sacrafice one's ultimate sexuality to become Bride of Christ.
It is quite another to give it all up for a job of painting peoples toenails and a warm cat to come home to.
Sure, many women can be happy with that, ofen happier than the work and stress involved with pot-bellied husbands and snotty nosed kids actually.
By the same token, many men are now quite satified with their porno and their x-boxes too.

There is a form of happiness in such enslavements for sure.