Liberal Christians

[Searching_for_Christ]

Says who? Paul in Corinthians 1 contradicts that statement.

umm where? actually show me.

 

[katautumn]

At the end of the day The Lord knows who are his and we should leave judgement up to him in my opinion. The scripture says we are to judge ourselves and not compare ourselves to others.

Three of the fruits of the Spirit are gentleness, goodness and kindness.

We should be gentle, good and kind when dealing with others, regardless of whether we think they live up to our standard of Christianity or not.

A lot of people get dogmatic about what God says, based on their interpretation of a select group of scriptures. Perhaps a few surprises are in store

It's pretty obvious if someone is a Christian. There's a big difference between doctrinal interpretation and Christ's clearcut command to repent. It's pretty obvious when someone professes to be a Christian out of a matter of convenience rather than conviction. A person who cannot be distinguished from a non-believer is likely not a true believer themselves, because the Bible is clear we are to be set apart, easily distinguished by our fruits and manners of behavior and speech. A person who professes Christ, yet sits online or engages in discussions in real life about how the Bible is nothing more than a book of fairy tales or neat stories that aren't really true cannot possibly be a Christian, for the Bible is the basis of a person's knowledge of God and Jesus' plan of salvation. A person who professes Christ and yet condones any number of sinful behaviors that clearly go against the Scriptures and justifies it by saying things like, "oh, that's just interpretation" or "well, the Bible says it's about faith, not works" or "well, we're saved by grace and that means we have Christian liberty" is likely not walking with Christ.

The Bible says you will be judged in a like manner to how you judged others in your life. It says you should make sure that your behavior is above reproach, lest anyone find you to be a hypocrite. If we aren't to judge others, why are there entire passages of Scripture on how a Christian should broach the subject of sin with a brother? Why are there entire passages on the appropriate method of church discipline?

1 Corinthians 5:11 (NIV) says this:

But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat.

Galatians 6:1 says:

Brothers and sisters, if someone is caught in a sin, you who live by the Spirit should restore that person gently. But watch yourselves, or you also may be tempted.

These verses clearly disprove your statement that the Bible says we are to never approach a brother or sister in Christ and gently rebuke them and call them to repentance when they are engaging in sin.

 

[katautumn]

I have a question, since this thread seems to have opened up the floodgates of debate. Why is it whenever the discussion of homosexuality comes up people will say, "oh, those verses are wrong! They were slipped in there by anti-gay translators!"? If that's the case, then why, out of some nearly 32,000 verses, are the ones pertaining to homosexuality the only ones in error? Wouldn't that one simple error call into question the entire validity of all of the verses in the Bible? Why is it you'd never tell a liberal Christian, "well, we're supposed to help the poor" or "Jesus tells us to not judge" and have them reply with, "well, those verses are just plain wrong! Everyone knows the translators were in error!"? It seems only the passages that mention homosexual acts very briefly are called into question and accused of being erroneous. Doesn't that seem a bit, I don't know...convenient?

 

[religious&reasonable]

It's a well-known fact that all liberals are secrectly Brittish agents disguised as "americans" to infiltrate our political system and begin this countries downfall. It's the only possible explanation.

 

[katautumn]

It's a well-known fact that all liberals are secrectly Brittish agents disguised as "americans" to infiltrate our political system and begin this countries downfall. It's the only possible explanation.

Well then I must thank all liberals for giving us Daniel Radcliffe. Holy moly!

 

[sealacamp]

umm where? actually show me.

Too lazy to pick up the bible and read it for yourself?

Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived! The sexually immoral, idolaters, adulterers, passive homosexual partners, practicing homosexuals, thieves, the greedy, drunkards, the verbally abusive, and swindlers will not inherit the kingdom of God.

For this reason God gave them over to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged the natural sexual relations for unnatural ones, and likewise the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed in their passions for one another. Men committed shameless acts with men and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

Following Christ and then being in denial about His word to us is not a good thing, yet many seem to be on that path. You can create your own religion but it is not a Christian religion, it is your own.

Sealacamp

 

[WalksWithChrist]

I'm following this thread, but if it turns into yet another homosexuality discussion (which isn't allowed at CF btw!) I'm unsubscribing.

Can we keep it on topic?

 

[Searching_for_Christ]

Too lazy to pick up the bible and read it for yourself?





Following Christ and then being in denial about His word to us is not a good thing, yet many seem to be on that path. You can create your own religion but it is not a Christian religion, it is your own.

Sealacamp

wait a second...re-read my posts :/ I was asking Jase where it says that Homosexuals don't need to be celibate. I believe homosexuality to be a sin.

 

[sealacamp]

wait a second...re-read my posts :/ I was asking Jase where it says that Homosexuals don't need to be celibate. I believe homosexuality to be a sin.

Oh yes I see I made a mistake. Sorry. As for me I just believe Gods word and what Jase said was absolutely wrong, my quotes from scripture were for him. I apologize.


Sealacamp

 

[Jase]

Oh yes I see I made a mistake. Sorry. As for me I just believe Gods word and what Jase said was absolutely wrong, my quotes from scripture were for him. I apologize.


Sealacamp

I was merely asking a question. I have no intention of debating you here, but obviously I strongly disagree with your understanding of scripture (those verses you quoted were not written in English or the 21st Century). We'll just have to agree to disagree and let God deal with the division among us.

 

[sealacamp]

I was merely asking a question. I have no intention of debating you here, but obviously I strongly disagree with your understanding of scripture (those verses you quoted were not written in English or the 21st Century). We'll just have to agree to disagree and let God deal with the division among us.

Doesn't matter if you agree with me or not, your argument is not with me anyway, it is with God. As for debating there is no debate, nor is there any "interpretation" of scripture, it says what it says and that is what it means and if you don't agree with it then you must take it up with the authority that sanctions such statements, I just agree with the truth, you not so much.

Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived! The sexually immoral, idolaters, adulterers, passive homosexual partners, practicing homosexuals, thieves, the greedy, drunkards, the verbally abusive, and swindlers will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Oh of course there are others as well but this is the one you were disagreeing with. You can not follow Christ and something else, despite what you want to say or do about it, you, nor anyone else, can please the Lord and the world, that is very clear in the scriptures and it is very clear just from observing people in this world, of this world. You are lost my friend if you don't know that this is the truth. You have been deceived.

Sealacamp

 

[Searching_for_Christ]

(those verses you quoted were not written in English or the 21st Century)..

False.

 

[Jase]

Doesn't matter if you agree with me or not, your argument is not with me anyway, it is with God. As for debating there is no debate, nor is there any "interpretation" of scripture, it says what it says and that is what it means and if you don't agree with it then you must take it up with the authority that sanctions such statements, I just agree with the truth, you not so much.

Yup, all I believe are lies.

Oh of course there are others as well but this is the one you were disagreeing with. You can not follow Christ and something else, despite what you want to say or do about it, you, nor anyone else, can please the Lord and the world, that is very clear in the scriptures and it is very clear just from observing people in this world, of this world. You are lost my friend if you don't know that this is the truth. You have been deceived.

Sealacamp

I'm disagreeing with it because the word homosexual was not added to that verse until 1958 by a conservative Bible publisher. And since it condemns women, not just men, it's obviously in error since the Torah NEVER condemns lesbians. Paul's contemporaries like Philo also said it was shrine prostitutes. I think men who talked to Paul knew its meaning better than you. As for no interpretation of scripture, I guess the Earth is geocentric since that's what scripture says. Good to know.

But afterall, I'm just a liberal "Christian" who understands nothing and rejects God apparently. And honestly, no offense, but if Christianity means what's being displayed in this thread, you can keep it.

I tried to be nice and just ask questions, but you've insulted me countless times calling me a liar, deceived, anti -God, lost. Apparently that's allowed here since this entire thread is a liberal bash fest accusing us of not being Christian (a board violation no less)?

 

[Jase]

False.

Huh? You think Corinthians was written in English in the 21st Century?

 

[Searching_for_Christ]

I'm disagreeing with it because the word homosexual was not added to that verse until 1958 by a conservative Bible publisher.

I'm pretty sure I already brought up to you that the 1599 Geneva bible (the bible that predates the KJV) used the word buggers which in that time in history was to mean people that practiced unnatural sexual relations...homosexuality being a unnatural sexual relation..so your belief that homosexuality was never implied, and only added into the bible in the 1950's is false. It also reeks a bit of "conspiracy"

 

[Searching_for_Christ]

Apparently that's allowed here since this entire thread is a liberal bash fest accusing us of not being Christian (a board violation no less)?

There are wrongs on both side of this fence brother.

 

[katautumn]

Apparently that's allowed here since this entire thread is a liberal bash fest accusing us of not being Christian (a board violation no less)?

I find this deliciously hilarious considering the fact that when Searching wandered into the gay Christian thread over in WWMC he was, point blank, told to get lost and that his opinion was wrong and not welcomed there by more than one person. I think a lot more patience has been exercised in this thread than the one over in WWMC. Perhaps I should quote you for posterity, since you're so persecuted:

Don't come to the Liberal forum and attack our views on scripture and these issues. It is a violation of the board rules. Your views on homosexuality are wrong. End of discussion.

Please take your anti-gay rhetoric to the Fundie and Conservative forums. It's not welcome here.

And on top of you twice being so rude about Searching posting there, he manned up and apologized and left you all to your like minded discussion. You, on the other hand, post your rhetoric on the conservative forum, pretend it's for the sake of "just nicely asking questions", go back to the liberal forum and bash what the conservatives are saying here, ridicule one openly on your own forum and then come back here and whine about how mean everyone was to you here. I'm calling you out, Jase. Not cool. Not cool. In fact, it's downright nasty and hypocritical. Of course, that's pretty much par for the course. It's a shame. You're intelligent and articulate and those qualities could be put to much better use than always being negative and confrontational.

 

[Jase]

I find this deliciously hilarious considering the fact that when Searching wandered into the gay Christian thread over in WWMC he was, point blank, told to get lost and that his opinion was wrong and not welcomed there by more than one person. I think a lot more patience has been exercised in this thread than the one over in WWMC. Perhaps I should quote you for posterity, since you're so persecuted:

I told Searching for Christ that attacking our views was not allowed. I have no problem with people posting there and asking questions about our views. I also never accused him of being a God hating liar who is deceived (as I was accused of). I came to this thread to ask a question about Bella Vita's point. Sealacamp basically attacked me for not taking her literal view of 2 scriptures, and I said, I disagree, we will have to let God sort it out. And she responded with half a dozen flames against me.

Now, half a dozen conservatives have invaded the liberal forum and outright attacked our attempts to have a discussion with a new Christian member. And yet, I will probably get in trouble for my posts here, whereas they will be off the hook for their attacks over there. Liberals always get the short end of the stick here.

And on top of you twice being so rude about Searching posting there, he manned up and apologized and left you all to your like minded discussion. You, on the other hand, post your rhetoric on the conservative forum, pretend it's for the sake of "just nicely asking questions", go back to the liberal forum and bash what the conservatives are saying here, ridicule one openly on your own forum and then come back here and whine about how mean everyone was to you here. I'm calling you out, Jase. Not cool. Not cool. In fact, it's downright nasty and hypocritical. Of course, that's pretty much par for the course. It's a shame. You're intelligent and articulate and those qualities could be put to much better use than always being negative and confrontational.

I apologize for being confrontational. I tend to get worked up, especially on this issue, because it infuriates me that so many Christians use the Bible to demonize gay people. I did not intend to be rude to Searching. Unfortunately, many conservatives have now majorly hijacked that thread.

I did come over with the purpose of asking a question of one posters position. It wasn't until Sealacamp attacked me for saying I disagreed with her views, so let's agree to disagree.

 

[sealacamp]

I tend to get worked up, especially on this issue, because it infuriates me that so many Christians use the Bible to demonize gay people.

How about use the bible to tell the truth, which you "disagree" with. You are in serious trouble but apparently don't even know it. In addition to that you exacerbate others trouble by not telling the truth to them. When you deny the truth you are not behaving in a loving fashion as Christ did and when you allow others to live a life that leads to condemnation before God then you are guilty of leading them to death and destruction. What you have said is flat out wrong and there is nothing in scripture that you can show to change the truth.

Sealacamp

 

[BondiHarry]

I told Searching for Christ that attacking our views was not allowed. I have no problem with people posting there and asking questions about our views.

But people of your views do have a problem with your views being questioned and the enlightening word of God used to challenge them.

Now, half a dozen conservatives have invaded the liberal forum and outright attacked our attempts to have a discussion with a new Christian member.

Tis a very one way 'discussion' when conservatives are not allowed to compare your beliefs with what God actually says.

I apologize for being confrontational. I tend to get worked up, especially on this issue, because it infuriates me that so many Christians use the Bible to demonize gay people.

Exposing sin is not demonizing and those in Christ who do it are not doing it to put down the sinner but to help the sinner come to grips that they are indeed sinners and are need of Jesus as were ALL of us who have since come to Christ. Jase, it is not loving to foster one to hold fast to their sin. We are no more interested in demonizing homosexuals than we are in demonizing fornicators, drunks, liars or thieves.