Liberal Christians

[sealacamp]

When you talk about major points in God's word, I dont think homosexuality is a major point.

If God says it is a point and people say it is not and then go on to live in a way that against what God states is right then that point, what ever it may be becomes a major point. In this case it is God saying that homosexuality is wrong and people saying it is right. God is correct and people are wrong. And you thinking that this is not a major point is just another distraction from the point that what God states to be the truth is just that and anything else is a lie.

I think you have to remember that the books of the bible were written in a specific context, a specific time and a specific place.

No what you have to remember is:

All Scripture is inspired by God and is useful to teach us what is true and to make us realize what is wrong in our lives. It corrects us when we are wrong and teaches us to do what is right. God uses it to prepare and equip his people to do every good work.

So it doesn't matter what you think or how you choose to reason away Gods word He is right and everyone is a liar.

Even if everyone else is a liar, God is true.

So what you are saying is just a distraction from the point therefore I can only conclude that you choose to lead people in a wayward direction instead of the direction of life, which is dealing with the truth and becoming submitted to God and His will just as you have already heard. Rejecting what God says to be true and creating your own truth is dangerous and incorrect. However you may choose what ever you like. I have made my choice, "let God be true and every man a liar."

Sealacamp

 

[powerheart]

I am one that's more conservative because I have seen places where truth was hijacked actually and very sad to me .When I got saved most true Christians were into the real Truth..Back in 79

 

[mark217]

I'm more independent than "conservative" (I've seen too many neo-cons and some conservatives that were just too judgmental and rude (more worried about their personal church, country, and territory than actually believing and going by Christ's words on how we deal with one another) and went against what the Bible preached to totally be right wing). But I will say I do have conservative values (after being a liberal for years actually...), and since I do believe what the Bible says I guess you count me in. : )

 

[Searching_for_Christ]

Conservative Christian signing in

 

[Bella Vita]

We would get along great I am against abortion and homosexuality. Most people today aren't it drives me crazy they can be "Christian" and read the same Bible I do, and not be able to see those things are wrong and go against God. Even though it clearly says that they are. i also believe that other religions that don't worship God/Jesus are wrong i believe Christianity is the truth and the only way. Some "Christians" believe that it is stuck up to think this way and that other religions have a chance. But again the Bible tells us that he is the way the truth and the life and that only through him do we get to heaven. Denominations don't matter to me as much they have all the basics the same. If they love Jesus and know he was the messiah that is what is important I believe.

 

[religious&reasonable]

Yes, I feel the same way about brocccoli.

 

[Searching_for_Christ]

Yes, I feel the same way about brocccoli.

What?

 

[WalksWithChrist]

We would get along great I am against abortion and homosexuality. Most people today aren't it drives me crazy they can be "Christian" and read the same Bible I do, and not be able to see those things are wrong and go against God. Even though it clearly says that they are. i also believe that other religions that don't worship God/Jesus are wrong i believe Christianity is the truth and the only way. Some "Christians" believe that it is stuck up to think this way and that other religions have a chance. But again the Bible tells us that he is the way the truth and the life and that only through him do we get to heaven. Denominations don't matter to me as much they have all the basics the same. If they love Jesus and know he was the messiah that is what is important I believe.

What drives me crazy is when "Christians" decide who is Christian and who is not.

(Doesn't actually drive me crazy...just using this posters style to make a point...same with the scare quotes)

 

[lismore]

What amazes me is that many Christians are pro-war. A church I used to fellowship in had a war memorial for World War One, it started with the words 'To the glory of God...........'. It was not for the glory of God all the young men in the congregation dying.

Jesus said 'blessed are the peacemakers', 'love your enemies'. War was a subject he gave clear teaching on.

IMO war is the abortion of adults.

 

[Bella Vita]

What drives me crazy is when "Christians" decide who is Christian and who is not.

(Doesn't actually drive me crazy...just using this posters style to make a point...same with the scare quotes)

People sin I get that and there is forgiveness. I am talking about churches that preach it is ok to be gay or have abortions. Even though it clearly goes against scripture they are taking bits and pieces and twisting it to benefit them. And that is not biblical at all they are fallin into the ways of the world. They are more worried about what is politically correct verses doing what God says.

 

[BondiHarry]

What drives me crazy is when "Christians" decide who is Christian and who is not.

So, what is the mark of a Chrisitan? A proclamation that they are Christian? Actually obeying Jesus? Good fruit vs bad fruit? We are to examine ourselves to see if we are in the faith so obviously there are things we should be looking for to determine if we are. Simiilarly God commands that we do judge those who claim to be our brothers and sisters in Christ.

(Doesn't actually drive me crazy...just using this posters style to make a point...same with the scare quotes)

But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days.People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God— having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with such people. (2 Timothy 3:1-5)

But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. For what have I to do to judge them that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person (1 Corinthians 5:11-13)

A 'Christianity' that has disposed of righteous judgment and obedience to the word that God has actually given us, that can say x, y and z are fine to do when God in the Bible condemns x, y and z is the Christianity of the Matthew 7 crowd.

 

[MrJim]

What amazes me is that many Christians are pro-war. A church I used to fellowship in had a war memorial for World War One, it started with the words 'To the glory of God...........'. It was not for the glory of God all the young men in the congregation dying.

Jesus said 'blessed are the peacemakers', 'love your enemies'. War was a subject he gave clear teaching on.

IMO war is the abortion of adults.

Not all are "pro-war" ~ I can introduce you to an excellent community of mennonites & brethren that don't do the war thing

 

[MrJim]

So, what is the mark of a Chrisitan? A proclamation that they are Christian? Actually obeying Jesus? Good fruit vs bad fruit? We are to examine ourselves to see if we are in the faith so obviously there are things we should be looking for to determine if we are. Simiilarly God commands that we do judge those who claim to be our brothers and sisters in Christ.



But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days.People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God— having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with such people. (2 Timothy 3:1-5)

But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. For what have I to do to judge them that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person (1 Corinthians 5:11-13)

A 'Christianity' that has disposed of righteous judgment and obedience to the word that God has actually given us, that can say x, y and z are fine to do when God in the Bible condemns x, y and z is the Christianity of the Matthew 7 crowd.

"He who is humble in his thoughts and engaged in spiritual work, when he reads the Holy Scriptures, will apply everything to himself and not to his neighbor" Mark the Ascetic (5th Century)

 

[WalksWithChrist]

People sin I get that and there is forgiveness. I am talking about churches that preach it is ok to be gay or have abortions. Even though it clearly goes against scripture they are taking bits and pieces and twisting it to benefit them. And that is not biblical at all they are fallin into the ways of the world. They are more worried about what is politically correct verses doing what God says.

I don't have a comment on the gay issue. But I do wonder which churches teach it is ok to have abortions. I have never heard of one.

So, what is the mark of a Chrisitan? A proclamation that they are Christian? Actually obeying Jesus? Good fruit vs bad fruit? We are to examine ourselves to see if we are in the faith so obviously there are things we should be looking for to determine if we are. Simiilarly God commands that we do judge those who claim to be our brothers and sisters in Christ.



But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days.People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God— having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with such people. (2 Timothy 3:1-5)

But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. For what have I to do to judge them that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person (1 Corinthians 5:11-13)

A 'Christianity' that has disposed of righteous judgment and obedience to the word that God has actually given us, that can say x, y and z are fine to do when God in the Bible condemns x, y and z is the Christianity of the Matthew 7 crowd.

We are not to point fingers and say who is or who is not Christian. We are to serve others and be a light unto the world.

 

[WalksWithChrist]

"He who is humble in his thoughts and engaged in spiritual work, when he reads the Holy Scriptures, will apply everything to himself and not to his neighbor" Mark the Ascetic (5th Century)

 

[lismore]

So, what is the mark of a Chrisitan?.

At the end of the day The Lord knows who are his and we should leave judgement up to him in my opinion. The scripture says we are to judge ourselves and not compare ourselves to others.

Three of the fruits of the Spirit are gentleness, goodness and kindness.

We should be gentle, good and kind when dealing with others, regardless of whether we think they live up to our standard of Christianity or not.

A lot of people get dogmatic about what God says, based on their interpretation of a select group of scriptures. Perhaps a few surprises are in store

 

[Jase]

People sin I get that and there is forgiveness. I am talking about churches that preach it is ok to be gay or have abortions. Even though it clearly goes against scripture they are taking bits and pieces and twisting it to benefit them. And that is not biblical at all they are fallin into the ways of the world. They are more worried about what is politically correct verses doing what God says.

Might I ask how you propose one stop "being" gay? Sure they can not engage in sexual behavior, but how does one stop their attractions? Can you stop being straight?

Just curious. I know most conservatives are against gay sexual behavior, but the one's who claim merely "being" gay is a sin absolutely baffle me.

 

[BondiHarry]

Might I ask how you propose one stop "being" gay? Sure they can not engage in sexual behavior, but how does one stop their attractions? Can you stop being straight?

Just curious. I know most conservatives are against gay sexual behavior, but the one's who claim merely "being" gay is a sin absolutely baffle me.

You may remember Jesus made it clear if the sin is in our heart, we are guilty of the crime. If a man lusts after a woman in his heart, he is an adulterer. If one has hatred for another without cause, he is a murderer.

How do you stop being gay (or a fornicator, drunk, liar etc.)? By giving yourself over to God and HE will give you a new heart, cleanse you of your unrighteousness, renew your mind and conform you to the likeness of Jesus. God will do for us what we cannot do for ourselves.

 

[Searching_for_Christ]

You can't stop being "gay" Homosexuals are called to a celibate life, and just like us Heterosexuals, if they lust after someone it is a sin for them. Rules that apply to us apply to them, only that getting married to a same sex partner is a sin, and doesn't make the same sex..."sexual experiences" any less a sin, while if a man marries a woman it is no longer a sin to have sex with her.

 

[Jase]

Homosexuals are called to a celibate life,

Says who? Paul in Corinthians 1 contradicts that statement.