Levels of EvC belief

[dad]

The radiometric dates are scientific calculations.

Calculations wholly based on beliefs.

 

[dad]

A fantasy that summer only happens now !

Not at all. Seasons existed, but a tree that grew in weeks did not get rings from seasons then. You simply try to extrapolate the present nature into the unknown past, and that is religion.

 

[dad]

15 May 2018 dad: A couple of lies about the Oklo natural nuclear fission reactor.

It is a real natural nuclear reactor. The rest is basically a lie because the source of the water moderating the reaction is as above.

Not at all.

They claim it was submerged deep under the earth and resurfaced. I have debated this many times, and provided links. There was the magic elevator ride miles under, the magic resurfacing when needed to the surface. There are any other aspects of the fable that are also absolutely pure faith based. If you thought you could allude to Oklo without knowing really what you are talking about, sorry. Not gonna happen.

 

[Strathos]

Not at all. Seasons existed, but a tree that grew in weeks did not get rings from seasons then. You simply try to extrapolate the present nature into the unknown past, and that is religion.

Chapter and verse where it says that trees grew to full size in weeks?

 

[RealityCheck01]

They claim it was submerged deep under the earth and resurfaced. ...

A geologist stated the geological history of the Oklo area that contains the natural nuclear reactor.
16 May 2018 dad: Unsupported rants about "magic" do not show that the geological history of Oklo did not happen.

You can easily show that you do not just have "magic" rants - give your sources that show that the geological history of the Oklo area is impossible.

14 May 2018 dad: A lie that there is only a belief in past radioactivity.
14 May 2018 dad: Give your evidence that there the "different former nature allowed fast fast deposition".
14 May 2018 dad: Deep ignorance about seasons and a "religion is showing" lie.
15 May 2018 dad: A fantasy that summer only happens now (that is not what physics or the Bible says) !
15 May 2018 dad: How a fantasy of time changing to make layer deposition faster is deluded.
15 May 2018 dad: A "religiously assign dates" lie about radiometric dates of meteorites.
15 May 2018 dad: An unsupported fantasy of no radiation at all in the past?
15 May 2018 dad: An "items of faith", etc. lies.
15 May 2018 dad: A delusion of trees growing in weeks producing tree rings.
15 May 2018 dad: Some "Historical records? " gibberish.
15 May 2018 dad: A couple of lies about the Oklo natural nuclear fission reactor.
15 May 2018 dad: 7 years of total failure of showing that the Oslo natural nuclear reactor was not a natural nuclear reactor.

 

[RealityCheck01]

Seasons existed, but a tree that grew in weeks did not get rings from seasons then.

16 May 2018 dad: A complete fantasy that trees grew in weeks and got tree rings from whatever he imagines produced them back then (pixies dust ?).

 

[RealityCheck01]

You simply try to extrapolate the present nature into the unknown past, and that is religion.

16 May 2018 dad: A "try to extrapolate the present nature" lie.
As explained before, the chronology established by ice layers or tree rings is not just counting layers or rings and relying on the fact that seasons exist today. The chronology is checked using historical, past records. That seasons existed is also in the historical records, including the Bible.
Ecclesiastes 3:1-22: "For everything there is a season, and a time for every matter under heaven...". Genesis implies seasons with no mention of different lighting from the Sun.

16 May 2018 dad: A "and that is religion" lie.
Extrapolating known, working science into the past is standard science. For example, we have the orbital parameters of the Earth today. We can calculate where the Earth was 100 or 1000 or 10,000 years ago and can be confident that we get it correct.
That is based on the reasonable and rational assumption that the laws of physics do not change unless we have evidence that they change.

 

[dad]

Chapter and verse where it says that trees grew to full size in weeks?

Noah sent a bird. No trees. A week later...fresh leaves from a tree. In the garden of eden...God planted...man could eat a week later.

 

[dad]

You can easily show that you do not just have "magic" rants - give your sources that show that the geological history of the Oklo area is impossible.

That depends on what you consider history. If you mean the made up dunking of the sites for eons, and resurfacing as needed on cue..that is not history.

 

[dad]

16 May 2018 dad: A complete fantasy that trees grew in weeks and got tree rings from whatever he imagines produced them back then (pixies dust ?).

Since you have n clue what nature the trees grew in we sure won't ask you. Thankfully God already told us.

 

[dad]

Extrapolating known, working science into the past is standard science. For example, we have the orbital parameters of the Earth today. We can calculate where the Earth was 100 or 1000 or 10,000 years ago and can be confident that we get it correct.

Not at all actually. You can only look at present nature realities and try to use those in your religious extrapolations.

 

[RealityCheck01]

Since you have n clue what nature the trees grew in we sure won't ask you. Thankfully God already told us.

17 May 2018 dad: A "n[o] clue what nature the trees grew in" lie.
We have historical records of trees, historical records of seasons, The Bible's record of seasons, etc.

17 May 2018 dad: Quote what God told us about tree rings so this does not become a lie.

16 May 2018 dad: A complete fantasy that trees grew in weeks and got tree rings from whatever he imagines produced them back then (pixies dust ?).

 

[RealityCheck01]

That depends on what you consider history. ....

In case you have more than unsupported rants:
17 May 2018 dad: Give your sources and evidence that the geological history of Oklo did not happen as geologists have found it to happen.

14 May 2018 dad: A lie that there is only a belief in past radioactivity.
14 May 2018 dad: Give your evidence that there the "different former nature allowed fast fast deposition".
14 May 2018 dad: Deep ignorance about seasons and a "religion is showing" lie.
15 May 2018 dad: A fantasy that summer only happens now (that is not what physics or the Bible says) !
15 May 2018 dad: How a fantasy of time changing to make layer deposition faster is deluded.
15 May 2018 dad: A "religiously assign dates" lie about radiometric dates of meteorites.
15 May 2018 dad: An unsupported fantasy of no radiation at all in the past?
15 May 2018 dad: An "items of faith", etc. lies.
15 May 2018 dad: A delusion of trees growing in weeks producing tree rings.
15 May 2018 dad: Some "Historical records? " gibberish.
15 May 2018 dad: A couple of lies about the Oklo natural nuclear fission reactor.
15 May 2018 dad: 7 years of total failure of showing that the Oslo natural nuclear reactor was not a natural nuclear reactor.
16 May 2018 dad: Unsupported rants about "magic" do not show that the geological history of Oklo did not happen.

 

[dad]

Give your sources and evidence that the geological history of Oklo did not happen as geologists have found it to happen.

Show the evidence for the sites going miles under and later resurfacing? Ha.

 

[dad]

We have historical records of trees, historical records of seasons, The Bible's record of seasons, etc.

Show the record to us of Adam and Noah's day then? Not sure who you think you are fooling.

 

[RealityCheck01]

17 May 2018 dad: Quote what God told us about tree rings so this does not become a lie.

17 May 2018 dad: Give your sources and evidence that the geological history of Oklo did not happen as geologists have found it to happen.

14 May 2018 dad: A lie that there is only a belief in past radioactivity.
14 May 2018 dad: Give your evidence that there the "different former nature allowed fast fast deposition".
14 May 2018 dad: Deep ignorance about seasons and a "religion is showing" lie.
15 May 2018 dad: A fantasy that summer only happens now (that is not what physics or the Bible says) !
15 May 2018 dad: How a fantasy of time changing to make layer deposition faster is deluded.
15 May 2018 dad: A "religiously assign dates" lie about radiometric dates of meteorites.
15 May 2018 dad: An unsupported fantasy of no radiation at all in the past?
15 May 2018 dad: An "items of faith", etc. lies.
15 May 2018 dad: A delusion of trees growing in weeks producing tree rings.
15 May 2018 dad: Some "Historical records? " gibberish.
15 May 2018 dad: A couple of lies about the Oklo natural nuclear fission reactor.
15 May 2018 dad: 7 years of total failure of showing that the Oslo natural nuclear reactor was not a natural nuclear reactor.
16 May 2018 dad: Unsupported rants about "magic" do not show that the geological history of Oklo did not happen
17 May 2018 dad: A "n[o] clue what nature the trees grew in" lie.

 

[RealityCheck01]

Show the evidence for the sites going miles under and later resurfacing?

17 May 2018 dad: A lying question because he cited the evidence of a geologist giving the Oklo geological history.

 

[dad]

17 May 2018 dad: A lying question because he cited the evidence of a geologist giving the Oklo geological history.

Correct. The sites being submerged and later brought back to the surface is part of the story. This is news?

 

[Strathos]

Noah sent a bird. No trees. A week later...fresh leaves from a tree. In the garden of eden...God planted...man could eat a week later.

That was just because the trees were still submerged or too far away. And (taking Eden literally here for the purpose of this discussion) the plants there obviously weren't normal and it was even stated once Adam and Eve left that from then on growing things would be a lot more difficult.

 

[RealityCheck01]

Correct.

Wow you agree that your question lied
17 May 2018 dad: A lying question because he cited the evidence of a geologist giving the Oklo geological history.

17 May 2018 dad: Quote what God told us about tree rings so this does not become a lie.
17 May 2018 dad: Give your sources and evidence that the geological history of Oklo did not happen as geologists have found it to happen.