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I don't believe in the fire torment pit of hell. I believe that "hell" is the darkness outside of heaven where the evil souls are because they can't get into heaven, and because they are evil they torment eachother. But, not a pit of fire. I just don't believe that God would create such a place and then threaten to send people there to roast forever. O course, I could be wrong, it's just my own opinion.

What do you think?


The Bible refers to the fate of the unsaved with such fearful words as the following:

"Shame and everlasting contempt" (Daniel 12:2)
"Everlasting punishment" (Mathew 25:46)
"Weeping and gnashing of teeth" (Matthew 24:51)
"Fire unquenchable" (Luke 3:17)
"Indignation and wrath, tribulation and anguish" (Romans 2:8,9)
"Everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord" (2 Thessalonians 1:9)
"Eternal fire...the blackness of darkness for ever" (Jude 7,13)

Also, Revelation 14:10,11 tells us the final, eternal destiny of the sinner: "He shall be tormented with fire and brimstone...the smoke of their torment ascended up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day or night."

By saying that you don't think God would create hell, you are committing idolatry...You are creating a god to suit yourself...The Bible is the infallable inspired word of God in which every single word is true. The one true God, however, could and did create hell for those who reject His mercy. They will reap His just wrath.
 
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*snip*

The Bible is the infallable inspired word of God in which every single word is true. The one true God, however, could and did create hell for those who reject His mercy. They will reap His just wrath.
True Dat! :thumbsup:

Matthew 3:7 Seeing yet many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming upon his baptism he said to them "broods of vipers! who suggested to ye to be fleeing from the being about wrath?


Matt 23:33 "Serpents! produce of vipers! how? ye may be fleeing from the judging of the geennhV <1067>

The Sadducees | Bible.org - Worlds Largest Bible Study Site

*snip*

Being closely associated with the Temple, the Sadducees disappeared from history when the Temple was destroyed in 70.......:thumbsup:
 
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My point is that God does not torture...he destroys. That fact is revealed in the Bible and is clear.

I was going with Paul's definition of love in Corinthians 13. You...obviously...think love is compatible with endless torture.

That makes NO sense...you can keep your amateur theology which has obviously resulted in false doctrine.

You tell someone to keep their amateur Theology then you use a chapter about love to claim that God would not punish the unrighteous. Human parents love their children but they do punish them. Some people complain that spanking a disobedient child on his rear end is torture. But it is Biblical.

Well...I know for certain that it isn't endless torture...it is a process that brings about complete and utter destruction. I know this because that is what the Bible teaches...plainly. This is implied in Matthew and Jude. This character trait of Yahweh is revealed in several major OT examples. Yahweh destroys...he does NOT torture. How long does the process of destruction last? I don't know...but I know there is an end to it. Chaff gets burned-up...there is nothing left.

Do you have ears to hear?

You say you know for certain then you use words like"implied" What is stated categorically, NOT implied, in Matthew 25:46, is that the unrighteous go away into everlasting punishment, and the righteous go away into everlasting life. If the everlasting punishment ends at some point, so does the everlasting life. Same word.
 
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I can't think of why I should care what you put much weight on. Just because some anonymous dood posts some antisemitic hate mongering on his website does not make it true.
OK, how's this? Jews generally reject Jesus as the Messiah.

The fact that the ancient Jews did NOT accept Jesus as the Messiah is totally irrelevant to this discussion.
Is the fact that modern day Jews still reject Jesus helpful in considering the relevance of the Talmud?

They were only fulfilling prophecy and according to Paul, Romans 10-11, they are still God's chosen people and will be saved.
Not in rejecting Christ they aren't! If God is going to save people merely because of the blood coursing through their veins then that would make Him a respecter of persons. If one chooses to reject Christ as the Messiah then they have deemed themselves unworthy of salvation.

Act 13:46 Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.

Lastly the only valid source for Jewish beliefs and practices are their historical writings NOT some anonymous hate mongering antisemitic website.
Pointing out that the Talmud says some fairly incredible things about Jesus and rejects Him as Savior and Messiah is not anti-Semitic. Name calling doesn't help us explore the truth. The fact of the matter is that Judaism (Messianic's excepted) reject Jesus as Savior and Messiah. That is one reason why the Talmud places a curse on anyone that reads Daniel.

Rabbinic Curse
 
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*snip*
OK, how's this? Jews generally reject Jesus as the Messiah.

The fact of the matter is that Judaism (Messianic's excepted) reject Jesus as Savior and Messiah. That is one reason why the Talmud places a curse on anyone that reads Daniel.

Rabbinic Curse
Interesting.....So the Jews don't read Daniel :confused:

Do they not know Jesus quoted from him in Matt 24:15 :thumbsup: ;)

Daniel 11:31 and arms from Him they shall stand up and they profane/defile the Sanctuary/miqdash, the refuge/ma`owz
and they remove the continual
and they give The Abomination/08251 shiqquwts, one making desolate/horror/08074 shamem.
[Matt 24:15]

Daniel 12:11 And from time the continual is taken away and to give of abomination one desolating, days, thousand, two-hundreds and ninety

Matthew 24:15 "Whenever then ye may be seeing the Abomination of the desolation/erhmwsewV <2050>, the being declared thru Daniel the prophet having-stood in a place, holy (the one-reading let him be minding/understanding)"
[Mark 13:14]
 
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Interesting.....So the Jews don't read Daniel :confused:

Do they not know Jesus quoted from him in Matt 24:15 :thumbsup: ;)
If they had read Daniel they would not have had men from the east coming to worship the promised Messiah nor would Jesus have said...

The Pharisees also with the Sadducees came, and tempting desired him that he would shew them a sign from heaven. He answered and said unto them, "When it is evening, ye say, [It will be] fair weather: for the sky is red. And in the morning, [It will be] foul weather to day: for the sky is red and lowring. O [ye] hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not [discern] the signs of the times?" - Mat 16:1-3

They missed the signs of the times given to them by Daniel.
 
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OK, how's this? Jews generally reject Jesus as the Messiah.

And this has absolutely NOTHING to do with whether or not their historical records, concerning their faith and practices, are accurate.

Is the fact that modern day Jews still reject Jesus helpful in considering the relevance of the Talmud?

Whether or not the Jews rejected Jesus has no bearing on what they believed about hell.

Pointing out that the Talmud says some fairly incredible things about Jesus and rejects Him as Savior and Messiah is not anti-Semitic. Name calling doesn't help us explore the truth. The fact of the matter is that Judaism (Messianic's excepted) reject Jesus as Savior and Messiah. That is one reason why the Talmud places a curse on anyone that reads Daniel.

* Irrelevant anti-semitic link omitted*

Once again running true to form. Believe anything by anybody, anywhere as long as it supports your assumptions/presuppositions. Here is a link to the Talmud Tractate Sanhedrin 97. There is NO, ZERO, NONE reference to a curse for reading the book of Daniel.

Babylonian Talmud: Sanhedrin 97

There is one footnote which reads
17. The verses cited from Daniel, the Psalms, and Haggai were interpreted so as to give a definite date for the advent of the Messiah. R. Nathan however, on the authority of Hab. II, 3, asserts that all such calculations are false. The three verses refer to the Hasmonean, Herodian, and Bar Koziba's reign, but the advent of Messiah is unknowable, Rashi.​
As I said some folks will believe anything, by anybody, from anywhere as long as it supports thier assumptions/presuppositions. And they won't even bother to verify it.

And OBTW the Talmud at that link is downloadable so you can verify anything anyone tells you about the Talmud. Assuming you are interested in the truth.
 
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If they had read Daniel they would not have had men from the east coming to worship the promised Messiah nor would Jesus have said...

The Pharisees also with the Sadducees came, and tempting desired him that he would shew them a sign from heaven. He answered and said unto them, "When it is evening, ye say, [It will be] fair weather: for the sky is red. And in the morning, [It will be] foul weather to day: for the sky is red and lowring. O [ye] hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not [discern] the signs of the times?" - Mat 16:1-3

They missed the signs of the times given to them by Daniel.
True Dat :thumbsup:

Luke 19:44 And shall be leveling thee and thy offspring in thee, and not shall be leaving stone upon stone in thee, instead which not thou knew the time of the visitation of thee

http://www.christianforums.com/t7164949-3/#post46105783
DO NOT WEEP!!!!! The Great City
 
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And this has absolutely NOTHING to do with whether or not their historical records, concerning their faith and practices, are accurate.
I would disagree quite frankly. No one buys a car with only three wheels.



Whether or not the Jews rejected Jesus has no bearing on what they believed about hell.
Again, I think it does. The Pharisees of Jesus' day rejected the word of truth that the Bible gives about death/hell and accepted the Babylonian paganism of the Persians, Greeks and Egyptians about death.



Once again running true to form. Believe anything by anybody, anywhere as long as it supports your assumptions/presuppositions. Here is a link to the Talmud Tractate Sanhedrin 97. There is NO, ZERO, NONE reference to a curse for reading the book of Daniel.

Babylonian Talmud: Sanhedrin 97

There is one footnote which reads
17. The verses cited from Daniel, the Psalms, and Haggai were interpreted so as to give a definite date for the advent of the Messiah. R. Nathan however, on the authority of Hab. II, 3, asserts that all such calculations are false. The three verses refer to the Hasmonean, Herodian, and Bar Koziba's reign, but the advent of Messiah is unknowable, Rashi.​
As I said some folks will believe anything, by anybody, from anywhere as long as it supports thier assumptions/presuppositions. And they won't even bother to verify it.
Best to be on the side of Christ and not Satan when it comes to the word of God. The Talmud is a collection of apostate men and their opinions. BTW, I don't call them apostate, the Bible does!

And OBTW the Talmud at that link is downloadable so you can verify anything anyone tells you about the Talmud. Assuming you are interested in the truth.
I have a link to the Talmud, Thanks very much!
 
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I would disagree quite frankly. No one buys a car with only three wheels.

Absolutely meaningless remark! That the Jews were unable to recognize Jesus as the Messiah has absolutely nothing to do with their belief in hell. They had many pretenders claiming to be Christ. Jesus certainly did not say to reject eveything the Jews said.
Mat 23:3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.​
Again, I think it does. The Pharisees of Jesus' day rejected the word of truth that the Bible gives about death/hell and accepted the Babylonian paganism of the Persians, Greeks and Egyptians about death.

Meaningless accusation which you cannot support from anything, scripture or history. You follow some teacher or group that teaches this and you believe everything they say without quweation or bothering to verify anything as I will show at the bottom of this post.

Best to be on the side of Christ and not Satan when it comes to the word of God. The Talmud is a collection of apostate men and their opinions. BTW, I don't call them apostate, the Bible does!

Meaningless and irrelevant. Shouting Hallelujah and saying "I'm on the side of Christ! I'm on the side of Christ! doesn't make it so. A lot of false religious groups do the same thing, JW, LDS, UU, OP, Anti-Trin MJ, WWCG, kristadelfian, etc.

Where does the Bible call the Jews apostate? Better read Romans 10-11 for what the Bible really says about God's chosen people.

I have a link to the Talmud, Thanks very much!

If that is true then why didn't you bother to verify the information which you linked to at another antisemitic, hate mongering website? Your pet website claimed that the Talmud tractate Sanhedrin folio 97 put a curse on anyone who read the book of Daniel. There is no such curse in the entire tractate.

Appears to me that you put more faith in anti-semitic hate mongering websites than you do the Bible.
 
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Absolutely meaningless remark! That the Jews were unable to recognize Jesus as the Messiah has absolutely nothing to do with their belief in hell. They had many pretenders claiming to be Christ. Jesus certainly did not say to reject eveything the Jews said.
Mat 23:3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.​
Just as He didn't tells us to not to pay taxes to Caesar. Does that mean He would want tus to Caesar's view on how to live?

Meaningless accusation which you cannot support from anything, scripture or history. You follow some teacher or group that teaches this and you believe everything they say without quweation or bothering to verify anything as I will show at the bottom of this post.
It's a historical fact that many of the Jews beliefs were derived from the Greeks and other pagan cultures that surrounded them. Are you going to deny that Israelites sacrificed their kids to Molech? Read Luke 16:19-31. It is Jesus demonstrating how the Pharisees rejected the word of God in favor of another bride!



Meaningless and irrelevant. Shouting Hallelujah and saying "I'm on the side of Christ! I'm on the side of Christ! doesn't make it so. A lot of false religious groups do the same thing, JW, LDS, UU, OP, Anti-Trin MJ, WWCG, kristadelfian, etc.

Where does the Bible call the Jews apostate? Better read Romans 10-11 for what the Bible really says about God's chosen people.

I have read Romans 10-11 and Jews aren't saved just because of the blood coursing through their veins. If there are then God is a respecter of persons. Where does the Bible call Jews apostate? Oh, my....be serious. They were led away into captivity and lost their land because of being apostates! They gave up their faith in God for other gods!



If that is true then why didn't you bother to verify the information which you linked to at another antisemitic, hate mongering website?
Because they point out the falsity of the Talmud they are anti-semitic?

Your pet website claimed that the Talmud tractate Sanhedrin folio 97 put a curse on anyone who read the book of Daniel. There is no such curse in the entire tractate.

Appears to me that you put more faith in anti-semitic hate mongering websites than you do the Bible.
The Talmud ain't the Bible.
 
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Just as He didn't tells us to not to pay taxes to Caesar. Does that mean He would want tus to Caesar's view on how to live?

Deliberate misrepresentation of what I posted and my clearly stated purpose. IOW I have said nothing about taking the Jews view on how to live. What I did say more than once is the Jewish historical writings, such as the Talmud, show how the Hebrew speaking Jews interpreted the Hebrew scriptures and how they practiced their faith.
It's a historical fact that many of the Jews beliefs were derived from the Greeks and other pagan cultures that surrounded them. Are you going to deny that Israelites sacrificed their kids to Molech? Read Luke 16:19-31. It is Jesus demonstrating how the Pharisees rejected the word of God in favor of another bride!

There is NO such historical fact as you claim! Your reference to Molech only shows some Jews sacrificed their children to the Assyrian NOT Babylonian idol. The reference says nothing about Jews and Greek paganism. And since you can read about the Jews and Molech why can't you read where God punished those who did that. The remainder of the Jews were faithful to him. Luke says absolutely nothing about the Jews doing anything. What you are talking about is another antisemitic lie which you have found on some NAZI website.

I have read Romans 10-11 and Jews aren't saved just because of the blood coursing through their veins. If there are then God is a respecter of persons. Where does the Bible call Jews apostate? Oh, my....be serious. They were led away into captivity and lost their land because of being apostates! They gave up their faith in God for other gods!

And God brought them back every time including the last time. And all that is prophesied. None of this has anything to do with whether or not the Talmud is an accurate historical account of Jewish beliefs and practices.
Because they point out the falsity of the Talmud they are anti-semitic?

The Talmud ain't the Bible.

The last link you posted is an anti-Jewish garbage dump. I proved from the Talmud that everything the website said about the Talmud was a base lie. You evidently haven't even bothered to check the real source, the Talmud, which I posted because you desperately want to believe all the antisemitic lies at the website you linked to.

Still deliberately misrepresenting what I said. I did NOT say the Talmud was the Bible. If you have the tiniest inkling of honesty you can find what I did say right here in this post. But you have shown no such quality.
 
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I don't believe in the fire torment pit of hell. I believe that "hell" is the darkness outside of heaven where the evil souls are because they can't get into heaven, and because they are evil they torment eachother. But, not a pit of fire. I just don't believe that God would create such a place and then threaten to send people there to roast forever. O course, I could be wrong, it's just my own opinion.

What do you think?

Not only do I agree with you, but I think it is very likely that your view of Hell is correct. Look up Gehenna and I think you will see that the fire in Hell was meant to be a metaphor. I think that the real "fire" is the subconscious emotions that are the result of a soul willingly rejecting God and salvation through Jesus Christ. To explain further, I say subconscious because I believe that the souls in Hell think they are happy to have the freedom to keep sinning, but they don't realize that being with God in Heaven is what they really want and is the only thing that would really make them happy.
 
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I just don't believe that God would create such a place and then threaten to send people there to roast forever.

It wasn't created for people, it was created to the devil and the rest of the fallen angels.

The problem is that when all of us were born, we were born into sin and by default satan was our spiritual father.

People who reject Jesus and fail to get born again, must spend eternity with their father the devil because you cannot go to heaven unless you become a new creature in Christ Jesus.

God is just and fair...there's not going to be anyone in hell that did not have opportunity to get born again...if there is, then God is a liar because He claims to be perfectly just and fair

So, those that have not joined themselves to God thru Jesus Christ must be incarcerated for all eternity because God is not going to allow rebellious spirits, or people, to roam free. They have to be locked up, and hell is the prison
 
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It is interesting to note that the people who minimise the horror and the torment of hell are the ones who take sin lightly as well.

The Scripture is quite clear that there are two aspects of hell. The first, as has been correctly stated, is the separation from the good things that God has for those who are in Christ. The second aspect is that those who are condemned to hell for eternity are subject to the terrible wrath of God. This shows how serious sin and rebellion are in God's sight.

We have to remember that sin was so damaging to the kingdom of God, that God's own Son sacrificed Himself for it. We cannot underestimate the great love that the Father had for the Son, and it must have been the heart-rending experience for the Father to have to subject His Son to wrath and anger as His Son took upon Himself the guilt and punishment for our sin. Sin brings punishment as well as exclusion. Jesus bore the full wrath and punishment from the Father for our sin. Anything less would have made His sacrifice something watered down and not really effective for providing a powerful substitute for our sin.

So, there might have been some serious wrath and punishment for those who rejected Him before Jesus died on the Cross, but just imagine (if we ever could) the fiery anger and wrath of God against those who reject and tread underfoot the sacrifice of His own dear and precious Son?

It is true that God is full of love and mercy, but He is a just Judge as well. If a murderer came into your home and murdered your family, especially if you had young children, and then came to court and the Judge let him off with a discharge without conviction, wouldn't you be very angry at that judge? Wouldn't you say that the justice has let you down big time? If you were any kind of person and parent, you certainly would! And you would not stop crying aloud against the justice system until something was done about it!

Do you think that those evil Nazi officers who murdered men, women and children in the Holocaust should share heaven with righteous, holy Christians? If you saw the photographs of the young children going to the gas chambers which I saw on Sky today, I am encouraged and comforted to see that those evil men are at this moment sitting in absolute fear awaiting the terrible Judgement of God. If God let those demonic inspired criminals off and allowed them in Heaven then I would have serious doubts about the Justice of God - unless any of them had accepted Christ as Saviour before they died, which I doubt from the historical accounts that I have seen.

Revelations 14:11 says that the smoke of their torment rises for ever and ever. In Luke 16:23 it says that the rich man in hell was tormented. Revelation 20:14 says that all those who were not found in the Book of Life were thrown into the lake of fire. Revelation 21:8 also details those who are going to be thrown into the lake of fire. Matthew 25:41: "Then He will also say to those on His left, 'Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels".

So these Scriptures fully support that sinners outside of Christ will be thrown into a lake of fire and be tormented for the rest of eternity. Just imagine being burned alive and feeling the pain and torment of it without ceasing for 10,000 years and then at the end of it knowing that all that time is just a small blip, and that there is never-ending succession of 10.000 year periods for ever and ever and ever. It boggles the mind.

Mark 9:43-48: "And if your hand causes you to stumble, cut it off; it is better for you to enter life crippled, than having your two hands, to go into hell, into the unquenchable fire, 44 [where their worm does not die, and the fire is not quenched.] 45 "And if your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off; it is better for you to enter life lame, than having your two feet, to be cast into hell, 46 [where their worm does not die, and the fire is not quenched.] 47 "And if your eye causes you to stumble, cast it out; it is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes, to be cast into hell, 48 where their worm does not die, and the fire is not quenched".

We have to accept what the Bible teaches about Hell, irrespective of how it horrifies us that a God of love would allow this. But when you think of how His Son had to suffer His wrath for us when He went to Hell in our place, then you can imagine the extent of His wrath and anger against those who reject His offer of salvation through the sacrifice of Jesus.

Hebrews 10:31 says that it is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. Although God is a God of mercy and grace now in this day of grace when sinners can come to Christ. When Jesus comes again to judge the living and the dead, there will be no more mercy, and we will see Him as the implacable and righteous Judge whose glory will strike terror into the hearts of all those who have rejected him.

Those who want to have airy fairy philosophical ideas of hell can have them, but as for me, I believe the Bible, and that is good enough for me.
 
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If the punishment for sin is torment forever then why did Jesus simply die instead of being tormented forever? The punishment for sin is death. That's what God told Adam. When Jesus died to pay the debt it was paid in full.
Do you know what went on with Jesus during the time between when He died and He rose again? I don't. The Bible doesn't tell us. But it does tell us that Jesus paid the full price for our sin, and those who reject Christ will be tormented forever. I guess if you want that answer you need to ask the Lord Himself, because the Bible does not go into the reasons why Jesus seemed to just die while sinners will be tormented forever. The Bible has given us enough information for us to have faith in Christ for our salvation. I just wonder if sometimes we are being curious about things that we are not meant to know? Actually I am quite content which what the Bible tells me. Whoops! I think that is what they call faith!
 
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If the punishment for sin is torment forever then why did Jesus simply die instead of being tormented forever?

Because Jesus was perfect, and never committed any sin of His own...therfore hell had no right to hold Him, and justice for us was satisfied with the fact that a perfect man paid the penalty for us.

Jesus, Who knew no sin, was made to be sin for us so we could be made the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus.

Jesus literally had to recieve our sin upon Himself by faith (this is what He was praying about in Gethsemane). He never committed any sin, but the Bible said He was made to be sin for us...in otherwords, He took our sin so we could take His righteousness.

It's the classic Covenant relationship...He was righteous, we were un-righteous. He paid the sin debt mankind owed, so mankind could be free to be back in right relationship with God.

It's important to note that God is not demanding or forcing any man to receive Salvation...He is simply demanding that every person have a choice. People have the right to reject Jesus if they want, which will land them in hell forever.

There's only one sin now that cause people to go to hell...and that is rejecting Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior
 
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It is interesting to note that the people who minimise the horror and the torment of hell are the ones who take sin lightly as well.
The Scripture is quite clear that there are two aspects of hell. The first, as has been correctly stated, is the separation from the good things that God has for those who are in Christ. The second aspect is that those who are condemned to hell for eternity are subject to the terrible wrath of God. This shows how serious sin and rebellion are in God's sight.
We have to remember that sin was so damaging to the kingdom of God, that God's own Son sacrificed Himself for it. We cannot underestimate the great love that the Father had for the Son, and it must have been the heart-rending experience for the Father to have to subject His Son to wrath and anger as His Son took upon Himself the guilt and punishment for our sin. Sin brings punishment as well as exclusion. Jesus bore the full wrath and punishment from the Father for our sin. Anything less would have made His sacrifice something watered down and not really effective for providing a powerful substitute for our sin.
So, there might have been some serious wrath and punishment for those who rejected Him before Jesus died on the Cross, but just imagine (if we ever could) the fiery anger and wrath of God against those who reject and tread underfoot the sacrifice of His own dear and precious Son?
It is true that God is full of love and mercy, but He is a just Judge as well. If a murderer came into your home and murdered your family, especially if you had young children, and then came to court and the Judge let him off with a discharge without conviction, wouldn't you be very angry at that judge? Wouldn't you say that the justice has let you down big time? If you were any kind of person and parent, you certainly would! And you would not stop crying aloud against the justice system until something was done about it!
Do you think that those evil Nazi officers who murdered men, women and children in the Holocaust should share heaven with righteous, holy Christians? If you saw the photographs of the young children going to the gas chambers which I saw on Sky today, I am encouraged and comforted to see that those evil men are at this moment sitting in absolute fear awaiting the terrible Judgement of God. If God let those demonic inspired criminals off and allowed them in Heaven then I would have serious doubts about the Justice of God - unless any of them had accepted Christ as Saviour before they died, which I doubt from the historical accounts that I have seen.
Revelations 14:11 says that the smoke of their torment rises for ever and ever. In Luke 16:23 it says that the rich man in hell was tormented. Revelation 20:14 says that all those who were not found in the Book of Life were thrown into the lake of fire. Revelation 21:8 also details those who are going to be thrown into the lake of fire. Matthew 25:41: "Then He will also say to those on His left, 'Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels".
So these Scriptures fully support that sinners outside of Christ will be thrown into a lake of fire and be tormented for the rest of eternity. Just imagine being burned alive and feeling the pain and torment of it without ceasing for 10,000 years and then at the end of it knowing that all that time is just a small blip, and that there is never-ending succession of 10.000 year periods for ever and ever and ever. It boggles the mind.
Mark 9:43-48: "And if your hand causes you to stumble, cut it off; it is better for you to enter life crippled, than having your two hands, to go into hell, into the unquenchable fire, 44 [where their worm does not die, and the fire is not quenched.] 45 "And if your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off; it is better for you to enter life lame, than having your two feet, to be cast into hell, 46 [where their worm does not die, and the fire is not quenched.] 47 "And if your eye causes you to stumble, cast it out; it is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes, to be cast into hell, 48 where their worm does not die, and the fire is not quenched".
We have to accept what the Bible teaches about Hell, irrespective of how it horrifies us that a God of love would allow this. But when you think of how His Son had to suffer His wrath for us when He went to Hell in our place, then you can imagine the extent of His wrath and anger against those who reject His offer of salvation through the sacrifice of Jesus.
Hebrews 10:31 says that it is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. Although God is a God of mercy and grace now in this day of grace when sinners can come to Christ. When Jesus comes again to judge the living and the dead, there will be no more mercy, and we will see Him as the implacable and righteous Judge whose glory will strike terror into the hearts of all those who have rejected him.
Those who want to have airy fairy philosophical ideas of hell can have them, but as for me, I believe the Bible, and that is good enough for me.

What you say all sounds correct. But God is not actually a man who gets angry when He doesn't get his way, or when people kill His Son.

Not angry as men get because they feel powerless or feel a need for revenge because their ego has been damaged, or He needs for others to feel the same pain thate he feels.

God is above all that (literally & figuratively) and if your evaluation of each scripture passage took that into account I'd believe it. But you spoke as if God was a common man with common emotions of revenge and anger. I'm not saying that the Bible is not accurate that in God's actions are without emotion. But I think the "emotions" involved are actually not the same emotions we experience as limited created beings.

The torment and pain of hell is what people will feel as a direct result of rejecting God. The torment and pain of hell will be like an endless nightmare that you never wake up from.
God created the Cosmos for us to enjoy and admire. Gone.
God created bodies for us to do "busy work" to grow food and create shelter and homes. Gone.
God gave us endless people to care about. Gone.
Everything that Godless people have to keep them busy here is gone. All they have is (now perfect) memories of what they have done to bring others to God or distract others from God. With NOTHING else to distract the unbeliever...this leaves them in unending torment. Have you ever "beat yourself up" over a bad choice you made? Doesn't it just BURN on and on until you find comfort in some other thought? Well imagine your selfish deeds burning, smoking, in your mind and never finding comfort in some other thought.

ALL the the scriptures about hell can be better understood from this perspective. This is the pit of Hell and the Lake of fire. God does not "punish" people in the way we do. He let's Sinners live in the torment & fire of their own choices....for all eternity. Slightly similar to life here on earth but without any of the gifts and blessings that everyone gets to enjoy here on earth. Nonbelievers get life eternal, without any of the goodies. And that's a painful choice.
 
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Love, Justice, wisdom, power are attributes of God

Calvinistic thought is that Divine Wisdom and Power planned for mankind in advance- knew of the fall in advance, and prepared by creating hell and manning it with fireproof devils for the torment of the race- all except the 'little flock, the bride.
Love and justice were left out of the calculation.

Arminian thought insists both Love and Justice created the world, arranged the torment and that Wisdom and Power weren't consulted.
Hense that has gotten God into the difficulty of while endevouring to do justly and lovingly to His creations He lacks the power to come to their aid.

Believing that death (as the graves means no matter what the transliteration) doesn't mean death is believing the serpent instead of God. Death is the last thing thrown into Gehenna, that's the second death. (note: not second torment, second death)
 
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