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I don't believe in the fire torment pit of hell. I believe that "hell" is the darkness outside of heaven where the evil souls are because they can't get into heaven, and because they are evil they torment eachother. But, not a pit of fire. I just don't believe that God would create such a place and then threaten to send people there to roast forever. O course, I could be wrong, it's just my own opinion.

What do you think?
 
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I don't believe in the fire torment pit of hell. I believe that "hell" is the darkness outside of heaven where the evil souls are because they can't get into heaven, and because they are evil they torment eachother. But, not a pit of fire. I just don't believe that God would create such a place and then threaten to send people there to roast forever. O course, I could be wrong, it's just my own opinion.

What do you think?

Why take heaven for granted if you don't believe in hell?
 
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I don't believe in the fire torment pit of hell. I believe that "hell" is the darkness outside of heaven where the evil souls are because they can't get into heaven, and because they are evil they torment eachother. But, not a pit of fire. I just don't believe that God would create such a place and then threaten to send people there to roast forever. O course, I could be wrong, it's just my own opinion.

What do you think?
To be in darkness forever with the worst beings who ever lived would be terrible in itself, don't you think?

Matthew 8:12 (NKJV)
12 But the sons of the kingdom will be cast out into outer darkness. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."
 
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To be in darkness forever with the worst beings who ever lived would be terrible in itself, don't you think?

Matthew 8:12 (NKJV)
12 But the sons of the kingdom will be cast out into outer darkness. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

Yes, absolutely, and I don't plan on going there. But, that will be up to God.
 
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Because I know heaven is real, that is where God lives.

You don't want to believe in hell because it's unpleasant.

If hell doesn't exist, why was Jesus crucified? What was He saving us from?

If there is no hell, what is sin and why should we care about it?

How is it possible for the Tempter to tempt us if there is no sin and no hell?
 
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You don't want to believe in hell because it's unpleasant.

If hell doesn't exist, why was Jesus crucified? What was He saving us from?

If there is no hell, what is sin and why should we care about it?

How is it possible for the Tempter to tempt us if there is no sin and no hell?

There is such a place as "hell"', I just don't believe what you believe that it is. I believe it's everywhere outside of heaven.
 
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An eternally burning pit of fire where the lost will be tormented forever? No. Hell will be fire from God which will consume the wicked and their master.

For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch

The bible is clear about the punishment the wicked shall receive. It is a punishment meant for the devil and his angels. Those who associate with the devil will partake of his punishment. It is for this reason that God is trying so desperately to save His creation. He died for us so that we would not have to suffer that which is to come.

Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
 
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An eternally burning pit of fire where the lost will be tormented forever? No. Hell will be fire from God which will consume the wicked and their master.

For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch

The bible is clear about the punishment the wicked shall receive.

And Ezekiel prophesied that the inhabitants of Sodom (who were extinguished to stubble) will be fully restored. And Jesus said that people get out after they pay the last penny. I agree, the Bible is very clear about the punishment the wicked will receive.
 
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An eternally burning pit of fire where the lost will be tormented forever? No. Hell will be fire from God which will consume the wicked and their master.

For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch

The bible is clear about the punishment the wicked shall receive. It is a punishment meant for the devil and his angels. Those who associate with the devil will partake of his punishment. It is for this reason that God is trying so desperately to save His creation. He died for us so that we would not have to suffer that which is to come.

Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.


Good post.

Let's talk about hell. It's a hot topic (no pun intended)(srs). Do you believe God sincerely does not want anyone to go to hell? I do. I also believe that God determines likelihood for all humanity. That is to say, we have individual choices, but God writes in his word about few people entering heaven. God determines before the antiChrist or anyone in Revelations is ever born that they will go to hell.

In other words, the possibility for all to enter heaven has been eliminated by God because of His own word. If it wasn't, then He would be in error in His own Word. God, when speaking His Word into existence, determined that most of humanity would go to hell.

New International Version (©1984)
"Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it.

It is not desirable for any human to go to hell. But even people who commit suicide can end up in hell. Even people who believe they are Christians can end up in hell.

When you say: "It is for this reason that God is trying so desperately to save His creation." you must also place that within the context of Him defining the potential for humanity as a whole. He did not stumble upon His words, they are His own words. By His own words, He decided the fates of many, not as individuals, but as part of humanity.


 
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Why take heaven for granted if you don't believe in hell?


probably because it makes the OP feel better..You'd be surprised how many people shape their beliefs around their feelings.


But, not a pit of fire. I just don't believe that God would create such a place and then threaten to send people there to roast forever. O course, I could be wrong, it's just my own opinion.

So your asking if there will be corporeal fire in hell?? Thomas Aquinas writes an interesting exposition on it

Whether the fire of hell will be corporeal?

Objection 1: It would seem that the fire of hell whereby the bodies of the damned will be tormented will not be corporeal. For Damascene says (De Fide Orth. iv): The devil, and "demons, and his men" [*Cf. 2 Thess. 2:3: "And the man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition."], namely Antichrist, "together with the ungodly and sinners will be cast into everlasting fire, not material fire, such as that which we have, but such as God knoweth." Now everything corporeal is material. Therefore the fire of hell will not be corporeal.

Objection 2: Further, the souls of the damned when severed from their bodies are cast into hell fire. But Augustine says (Gen. ad lit. xii, 32): "In my opinion the place to which the soul is committed after death is spiritual and not corporeal." Therefore, etc.

Objection 3: Further, corporeal fire in the mode of its action does not follow the mode of guilt in the person who is burned at the stake, rather does it follow the mode of humid and dry: for in the same corporeal fire we see both good and wicked suffer. But the fire of hell, in its mode of torture or action, follows the mode of guilt in the person punished; wherefore Gregory says (Dial. iv, 63): "There is indeed but one hell fire, but it does not torture all sinners equally. For each one will suffer as much pain according as his guilt deserves." Therefore this fire will not be corporeal.

On the contrary, He says (Dial. iv, 29): "I doubt not that the fire of hell is corporeal, since it is certain that bodies are tortured there."
Further, it is written (Wis. 5:21): "The . . . world shall fight . . . against the unwise." But the whole world would not fight against the unwise if they were punished with a spiritual and not a corporeal punishment. Therefore they will be punished with a corporeal fire.

I answer that, There have been many opinions about the fire of hell. For some philosophers, as Avicenna, disbelieving in the resurrection, thought that the soul alone would be punished after death. And as they considered it impossible for the soul, being incorporeal, to be punished with a corporeal fire, they denied that the fire whereby the wicked are punished is corporeal, and pretended that all statements as to souls being punished in future after death by any corporeal means are to be taken metaphorically. For just as the joy and happiness of good souls will not be about any corporeal object, but about something spiritual, namely the attainment of their end, so will the torment of the wicked be merely spiritual, in that they will be grieved at being separated from their end, the desire whereof is in them by nature. Wherefore, just as all descriptions of the soul's delight after death that seem to denote bodily pleasure---for instance, that they are refreshed, that they smile, and so forth---must be taken metaphorically, so also are all such descriptions of the soul's suffering as seem to imply bodily punishment---for instance, that they burn in fire, or suffer from the stench, and so forth. For as spiritual pleasure and pain are unknown to the majority, these things need to be declared under the figure of corporeal pleasures and pains, in order that men may be moved the more to the desire or fear thereof. Since, however, in the punishment of the damned there will be not only pain of loss corresponding to the aversion that was in their sin, but also pain of sense corresponding to the conversion, it follows that it is not enough to hold the above manner of punishment. For this reason Avicenna himself (Met. ix) added another explanation, by saying that the souls of the wicked are punished after death, not by bodies but by images of bodies; just as in a dream it seems to a man that he is suffering various pains on account of such like images being in his imagination. Even Augustine seems to hold this kind of punishment (Gen. ad lit. xii, 32), as is clear from the text. But this would seem an unreasonable statement. For the imagination is a power that makes use of a bodily organ: so that it is impossible for such visions of the imagination to occur in the soul separated from the body, as in the soul of the dreamer. Wherefore Avicenna also that he might avoid this difficulty, said that the soul separated from the body uses as an organ some part of the heavenly body, to which the human body needs to be conformed, in order to be perfected by the rational soul, which is like the movers of the heavenly body---thus following somewhat the opinion of certain philosophers of old, who maintained that souls return to the stars that are their compeers. But this is absolutely absurd according to the Philosopher's teaching, since the soul uses a definite bodily organ, even as art uses definite instruments, so that it cannot pass from one body to another, as Pythagoras is stated (De Anima i, text. 53) to have maintained. As to the statement of Augustine we shall say below how it is to be answered (ad 2). However, whatever we may say of the fire that torments the separated souls, we must admit that the fire which will torment the bodies of the damned after the resurrection is corporeal, since one cannot fittingly apply a punishment to a body unless that punishment itself be bodily. Wherefore Gregory (Dial. iv) proves the fire of hell to be corporeal from the very fact that the wicked will be cast thither after the resurrection. Again Augustine, as quoted in the text of Sentent. iv, D, 44, clearly admits (De Civ. Dei xxi, 10) that the fire by which the bodies are tormented is corporeal. And this is the point at issue for the present. We have said elsewhere (Q[70], A[3]) how the souls of the damned are punished by this corporeal fire.

Reply to Objection 1: Damascene does not absolutely deny that this fire is material, but that it is material as our fire, since it differs from ours in some of its properties. We may also reply that since that fire does not alter bodies as to their matter, but acts on them for their punishment by a kind of spiritual action, it is for this reason that it is stated not to be material, not as regards its substance, but as to its punitive effect on bodies and, still more, on souls.

Reply to Objection 2: The assertion of Augustine may be taken in this way, that the place whither souls are conveyed after death be described as incorporeal, in so far as the soul is there, not corporeally, i.e. as bodies are in a place, but in some other spiritual way, as angels are in a place. Or we may reply that Augustine is expressing an opinion without deciding the point, as he often does in those books.

Reply to Objection 3: That fire will be the instrument of Divine justice inflicting punishment. Now an instrument acts not only by its own power and in its own way, but also by the power of the principal agent, and as directed thereby. Wherefore although fire is not able, of its own power, to torture certain persons more or less, according to the measure of sin, it is able to do so nevertheless in so far as its action is regulated by the ordering of Divine justice: even so the fire of the furnace is regulated by the forethought of the smith, according as the effect of his art requires.
 
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Whether the fire of hell is of the same species as ours?

Objection 1: It would seem that this fire is not of the same species as the corporeal fire which we see. For Augustine says (De Civ. Dei xx, 16): "In my opinion no man knows of what kind is the everlasting fire, unless the Spirit of God has revealed it to anyone." But all or nearly all know the nature of this fire of ours. Therefore that fire is not of the same species as this.
Objection 2: Further, Gregory commenting on Job 10:26, "A fire that is not kindled shall devour him," says (Moral. xv): "Bodily fire needs bodily fuel in order to become fire; neither can it be except by being kindled, nor live unless it be renewed. On the other hand the fire of hell, since it is a bodily fire, and burns in a bodily way the wicked cast therein, is neither kindled by human endeavor, nor kept alive with fuel, but once created endures unquenchably; at one and the same time it needs no kindling, and lacks not heat." Therefore it is not of the same nature as the fire that we see.
Objection 3: Further, the everlasting and the corruptible differ essentially, since they agree not even in genus, according to the Philosopher (Metaph. x). But this fire of ours is corruptible, whereas the other is everlasting: "Depart from Me, you cursed, into everlasting fire" (Mat. 25:41). Therefore they are not of the same nature.
Objection 4: Further, it belongs to the nature of this fire of ours to give light. But the fire of hell gives no light, hence the saying of Job 18:5: "Shall not the light of the wicked be extinguished?" Therefore . . . as above.
On the contrary, According to the Philosopher (Topic. i, 6), "every water is of the same species as every other water." Therefore in like manner every fire is of the same species as every other fire.
Further, it is written (Wis. 11:17): "By what things a man sinneth by the same also he is tormented." Now men sin by the sensible things of this world. Therefore it is just that they should be punished by those same things.
I answer that, As stated in Meteor. iv, 1 fire has other bodies for its matter, for the reason that of all the elements it has the greatest power of action. Hence fire is found under two conditions: in its own matter, as existing in its own sphere, and in a strange matter, whether of earth, as in burning coal, or of air as in the flame. Under whatever conditions however fire be found, it is always of the same species, so far as the nature of fire is concerned, but there may be a difference of species as to the bodies which are the matter of fire. Wherefore flame and burning coal differ specifically, and likewise burning wood and red-hot iron; nor does it signify, as to this particular point, whether they be kindled by force, as in the case of iron, or by a natural intrinsic principle, as happens with sulphur. Accordingly it is clear that the fire of hell is of the same species as the fire we have, so far as the nature of fire is concerned. But whether that fire subsists in its proper matter, or if it subsists in a strange matter, what that matter may be, we know not. And in this way it may differ specifically from the fire we have, considered materially. It has, however, certain properties differing from our fire, for instance that it needs no kindling, nor is kept alive by fuel. But the differences do not argue a difference of species as regards the nature of the fire.
Reply to Objection 1: Augustine is speaking of that fire with regard to its matter, and not with regard to its nature.
Reply to Objection 2: This fire of ours is kept alive with fuel, and is kindled by man, because it is introduced into a foreign matter by art and force. But that other fire needs no fuel to keep it alive, because either it subsists in its own matter, or is in a foreign matter, not by force but by nature from an intrinsic principle. Wherefore it is kindled not by man but by God, Who fashioned its nature. This is the meaning of the words of Isaias (30:33): "The breath of the Lord is as a torrent of brimstone kindling it."
Reply to Objection 3: Even as the bodies of the damned will be of the same species as now, although now they are corruptible, whereas then they will be incorruptible, both by the ordering of Divine justice, and on account of the cessation of the heavenly movement, so is it with the fire of hell whereby those bodies will be punished.
Reply to Objection 4: To give light does not belong to fire according to any mode of existence, since in its own matter it gives no light; wherefore it does not shine in its own sphere according to the philosophers: and in like manner in certain foreign matters it does not shine, as when it is in an opaque earthly substance such as sulphur. The same happens also when its brightness is obscured by thick smoke. Wherefore that the fire of hell gives no light is not sufficient proof of its being of a different species.
 
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Dear Lisa*Lisa. You are right, God is Love, and Love does NOT torture. God gave us free will, and He also gave us 10 Commandments, which Jesus changed into 2 Commandments. They say all what God tells us in His 10: God`s loving advice to us. 1) Love God with all our hearts, with all our souls, and with all our minds. God made us in His image, God made us GOOD, we alone in this Universe know the difference between being GOOD, and being Not Good. Love is the miracle which changes all things, love can overcome all evil, and love is the greatest weapon God has given us. 2) Love our neighbour, all others, friend or foe, as we love ourselves. That does not come easily to us, selfishness and selfwill, soon will make us bristle. But we have years to become better, and better, we also have Jesus to help and guide us, and last, but not least, God will forgive every time we stumble or fail, if we remember our Lord`s Prayer: " Give us today our daily bread, and forgive us As WE forgive those who sin against us." Once we seriously try to become as loving as God wants us to be, selfless with no strings attached, we will be on our way back to God as His loving sons and daughters. Jesus will give us His Love, His Joy, and His Peace, to share with each other. All Love is from God, and where there is no love, God`s Adversary, the Devil will wait for us, and there will be Hell. I say this humbly and with love, Lisa. Greetings from Emmy, your sister in Christ.
 
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I don't believe in the fire torment pit of hell. I believe that "hell" is the darkness outside of heaven where the evil souls are because they can't get into heaven, and because they are evil they torment eachother. But, not a pit of fire. I just don't believe that God would create such a place and then threaten to send people there to roast forever. O course, I could be wrong, it's just my own opinion.
What do you think?

I think your sense of Heaven and Hell are right on track. Most of your details are correct as well.
Only one small change will turn your illustration into one that matches the scripture better.

The people outside of Heaven are alone. When Clint Eastwood clenches his teeth, and says
"I'll see you in HELL!" ...he is incorrect. Nobody will be visiting with each other in Hell.

And they are there because they want to be outside of God's reach. The torment and Fire they experience
is not God's blowtorch. You are correct in rejecting the idea that God is torchering people.

It's the pain and burning of their decision to reject God.
They are each one alone for eternity without having accepted God's forgiveness for their sins.
So they remain unrepentant and alone. That's the "fire" they experience. I'm sure your aware that
mental anguish can hurt worse than any physical pain that our bodies may experience. The "burning pit"
illustration is the closest man can come up with. People in Hell would prefer a simple burning pit on earth,
compared to being all alone with no God (or even their mommy) to forgive them....for eternity.
 
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Good post.

Let's talk about hell. It's a hot topic (no pun intended)(srs). Do you believe God sincerely does not want anyone to go to hell? I do. I also believe that God determines likelihood for all humanity. That is to say, we have individual choices, but God writes in his word about few people entering heaven. God determines before the antiChrist or anyone in Revelations is ever born that they will go to hell.

In other words, the possibility for all to enter heaven has been eliminated by God because of His own word. If it wasn't, then He would be in error in His own Word. God, when speaking His Word into existence, determined that most of humanity would go to hell.

New International Version (©1984)
"Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it.

It is not desirable for any human to go to hell. But even people who commit suicide can end up in hell. Even people who believe they are Christians can end up in hell.

When you say: "It is for this reason that God is trying so desperately to save His creation." you must also place that within the context of Him defining the potential for humanity as a whole. He did not stumble upon His words, they are His own words. By His own words, He decided the fates of many, not as individuals, but as part of humanity.



The thing is that while I agree with some of this, I disagree strongly with the idea that God has destined some for hell. 2 Peter 3:9 tells us that God is not slack concerning His promises...not wishing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance. The reason why only few are saved is because the majority will elect to be lost. Just as the Jews of old said "We will not have this Man rule over us!" so many will repeat that statement by the way they live.

God truly wants everyone to be saved. But He knows, because He knows everything, that many will be lost. This is not by design, rather it is by choice. The Devil was in heaven and choose to rebel, taking with him 1/3 of the heavenly host who said to God "we will not have You to rule over us." If those who having been in God's very presence could reject Him, how much more so those of a fallen race who have refused, one way or another, His salvation?
 
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Some folks like to have their ears tickled, which is simply metaphorical language that means people like to believe what fit's best with the God they want to worship...

The Jews of Jesus day believed they could (while alive ) go to the city dump and spend some time there AND that the act of doing that would remove some of the time they would have to spend after they died. Jesus was clear - if you missed the ship you didn't get TO get out of gehenna, as in you just didn't spend 12 months there suffering, it was eternity.
 
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All Love is from God, and where there is no love, God`s Adversary, the Devil will wait for us, and there will be Hell. I say this humbly and with love, Lisa. Greetings from Emmy, your sister in Christ.

The way I read the Bible, the Devil doesn't get what he wants. Yes, the Devil wants billions to be tortured in hell for all eternity, but Jesus wins. Every knee shall bow and every tongue will confess. The devil loses.
 
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Honestly I would like to know how anyone can be "outside" the Presence of God. When He returns the veil which separates us will be removed. There won't be anywhere in the galaxy one can go where God won't be.

David declares:
7 Where can I go from Your Spirit?
Or where can I flee from Your presence?
8 If I ascend into heaven, You are there;
If I make my bed in hell, behold, You are there.
9 If I take the wings of the morning,
And dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea,
10 Even there Your hand shall lead me,
And Your right hand shall hold me.
11 If I say, “Surely the darkness shall fall on me,”
Even the night shall be light about me;

The idea that people will be somewhere God is not, is faulty. Sin will be blotted out of existence. For that to happen sinners must be destroyed as well. Sin is like a cancer on the creation of God. Like any good surgeon, the Master Physician will remove the cancer completely. No chance of remission if you would.
 
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The way I read the Bible, the Devil doesn't get what he wants. Yes, the Devil wants billions to be tortured in hell for all eternity, but Jesus wins. Every knee shall bow and every tongue will confess. The devil loses.

You can bet that every knee will bow because those in heaven are in heaven by Christ and those in hell are there because they rejected Him. The fact they are in hell would be enough for them to realize who is Lord.
 
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The way I read the Bible, the Devil doesn't get what he wants. Yes, the Devil wants billions to be tortured in hell for all eternity, but Jesus wins. Every knee shall bow and every tongue will confess. The devil loses.

You know that every knee bowing will include the Devil and his minions right? That will occur before judgment. And I'm not sure what version of the bible says people burn forever. I know it says they will be burned up and be ashes under our feet.

What the Devil wants if for people to have a misunderstanding about hell which will in turn lead to a misunderstanding of the character of God.
 
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